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fahkyu911
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2/10/2004  11:02 AM
i wouldnt trade kurt for dampier unless i know sheed will sign the mle with the knicks at the end of the season. it would be sweet to have dampier and sheed in the front court with marbury at point.
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2/10/2004  12:07 PM
Dampier is 30, injury prone, and is having his break out year with his opt out. This is a player whom never lived up to his potential and got nice money upfront.

He may be a CTC type player, and one we don't need to pay up for.

I'd like to do somthing with Memphis with Battier and Swift. They have posey and Mike Miller at the sf.

I also think we should keep Frank Williams. H20 may not be durable going forward, and steph can play the 2 very nicley. him and Frank could be explosive and cause all kind of problems for teams. IF frank developes into star like player, then we have a great trading asset in the future. It would be ok to have a pipeline. Also I'd like to keep sweets. We are going to be 3 draft picks short witht he Marbury trade, have no cap room, so we need to keep some youth around.

Guys like battier and Swift are young and have upside. Even Rodney White fits that bill. Those are the only type of players we should consider trading our youth away for. To receive young players in return.

I still would like to think this team can think a little more forward than just the next two seasons. Im down with the instant success thing, but lets keep an Eye on the future so we don't go 3 years in a funk. No telling if this group ever gets a ring, but the last hangover was pretty nasty.
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2/11/2004  9:07 AM
I don't know. Dampier will try hard in NY. Most players do because the organization and the fans expect it. I rather see Dampier/Othella as opposed to Deke/Kurt in the front court. Then we get Wallace and the Knicks will be a beast for many years to come!!

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 02/11/2004 09:11:37]

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 02/11/2004 10:48:43]
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2/11/2004  10:43 AM
Posted by gunsnewing:

I don't know. Dampier will try harder in NY. Most players do because the organization and the fans expect it. I rather see Dampier/Othella as opposed to Deke/Kurt in the front court. Then we get Wallace and the Knicks will be a beast for many years to come!!

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 02/11/2004 09:11:37]
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2/11/2004  11:25 AM
Posted by gunsnewing:

I don't know. Dampier will try hard in NY. Most players do because the organization and the fans expect it. I rather see Dampier/Othella as opposed to Deke/Kurt in the front court. Then we get Wallace and the Knicks will be a beast for many years to come!!

Yes, Guns. That sounds like a plan.
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2/11/2004  11:27 AM
"Ron Klempner, attorney for the Players Association, told The Post the mid-level exception likely will rise from $4.9 million to $5.1M this summer. Under a mid-level contract, the Knicks could offer Wallace a two-year, $10.7 million pact. Then, under the collective bargaining agreement, when that two-year deal expires, the Knicks can offer Wallace a longer-term deal with a 75-percent raise, starting at $9.8 million. There's also a scenario in which the Knicks can give Wallace, 29, three consecutive one-year deals starting at $5.1 million with 20-percent raises. In Year 4, the Knicks can give him the maximum $14 million." NY Post

--We are getting Rasheed Wallace in the offseason. Mark my words
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2/11/2004  11:34 AM
Posted by gunsnewing:

--We are getting Rasheed Wallace in the offseason. Mark my words

I second that. Watch Isiah pull that off.
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2/11/2004  11:19 PM
actually KT is better. I didn't realize Dampier has sucked his whole career. KT has put up far better numbers. Now I would only take dampier if all we gave up was Othella. He would help us this year then we let him walk in the offseason and Sweetney takes his place and we get Rasheed. Rasheed could get to the hoop and post up and KT could spot up shoot. That would be a good mixture I think. And our defense would be great!

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 02/12/2004 00:20:13]
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2/12/2004  1:06 AM
actually Nazi might be better and we can problably get him for just Othella. He just never really got a chance in Atlanta. If you compare his career numbers to dampier's they're very close except Nazi played much less minutes.
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2/13/2004  11:44 AM
Dampier's numbers have always suffered due to nagging injuries. Somehow, this year he's either playing through the injuries or has simply managed to stay healthy and in shape.

He's an awesome physical specimen and on a good team, could be the missing piece to a championship run. OR not. He's essentially a lot like a younger Dikembe Mutombo... just not quite as good. :) Same hands of stone and lack of polished offensive game.

Nazr Mohammed is a nice option since he's been a bench guy for essentially all of his career, save some injury moments when he was forced to start. I personally thought he was on track to follow the same development of a guy like Jamal Magliore, but that hasn't happened.
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2/13/2004  12:42 PM
I realize this might not be a good qeustion for this thread but..

If we sign Rasheed with the exception.
Can we do so for a one year contract with a player option..
then renegotiate mid season or next off season to give him his just dues? I'm not that familiar with the rules.. But i could see SHeed taking a hit for one year if he knows he will be compesated in the long run. Otherwise it might be tough to get him to bite on just the mid-level exception.
thoughts?
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2/13/2004  12:47 PM
Posted by nyvector16:

If we sign Rasheed with the exception.
Can we do so for a one year contract with a player option..
then renegotiate mid season or next off season to give him his just dues?

nope...can't do it.
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2/13/2004  12:56 PM
Bummer we can't.. I was under the impression that a team could offer a player whatever money they want up to the max as long as he was already with that team in the previous season... If a player was obtained via free agency.. he could be offered whatever cap space the team has? I am obviously wrong.. but can someone elaborate as to what the rules are in those particular two instances?
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2/13/2004  1:17 PM
Posted by nyvector16:

Bummer we can't.. I was under the impression that a team could offer a player whatever money they want up to the max as long as he was already with that team in the previous season... If a player was obtained via free agency.. he could be offered whatever cap space the team has? I am obviously wrong.. but can someone elaborate as to what the rules are in those particular two instances?

Alot of the answers to salary cap and CBA questions you have can be found here.

http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm
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2/13/2004  4:05 PM
Yeah that's the same place I look up CBA information... They recently updated the specifics regarding the Trade Exception.

It's a damn good resource because it completely breaks down each rule and provides examples.
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2/14/2004  2:27 AM
Thanks fellas...
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2/14/2004  10:10 AM
And Lord knows you need alot of examples to get thru your thick cranium.
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2/14/2004  12:12 PM
I really have no idea how your still allowed to post here playa.
Before you came along this board rocked.
It was strictly Knick Fans for the love of the knicks.
Your just here to piss people off and retreat from your pathetic existence... feel some sorta twisted importance when people adress your stupid attacks and marginal analysis usually negatively skewed against the Knicks. Truly sad... You've probably never even been to NYC ya punk... anyways... reply if you like.. I'm done wasting my time with you...

[Edited by - nyvector16 on 02/14/2004 12:13:28]
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