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JesseDark
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5/8/2011  10:01 PM
Is the way Dallas played the way [:{) wants the Knicks to play? I think he is somewhere smiling. The difference I see is that Dallas can play dee and has bigs that can defend and rebound and point guard play.
Bring back dee-fense
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5/8/2011  10:13 PM
They have 3- 7 footers knicks not even in the same zip code. Hmmm maybe it should be d'Antoni for little 'd' and 'k' knicks for being so small?
Bill Simmons on Tyreke Evans "The prototypical 0-guard: Someone who handles the ball all the time, looks for his own shot, gets to the rim at will and operates best if his teammates spread the floor to watch him."
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5/9/2011  12:14 AM
There has been success with teams that are great offensively and good D, but not great D. The Mavs are a superior offensive team with Championship level size. We don't have that kind of size, but Donnie is working on it and has been trying to acquire bigs that can hold down the middle. The Mavs unlike the Knicks have QUALITY SIZE. Until we can add that kind of help inside it's going to be hard to get to the title level. I believe Donnie will be able to get something done, but it's gonna be really hard.

Maybe the Lakers would be willing to deal

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5/9/2011  1:54 AM
nixluva wrote:There has been success with teams that are great offensively and good D, but not great D. The Mavs are a superior offensive team with Championship level size. We don't have that kind of size, but Donnie is working on it and has been trying to acquire bigs that can hold down the middle. The Mavs unlike the Knicks have QUALITY SIZE. Until we can add that kind of help inside it's going to be hard to get to the title level. I believe Donnie will be able to get something done, but it's gonna be really hard.

Maybe the Lakers would be willing to deal

Deal? For which of the 3 bigs would you deal who committed a flagrant foul during crunch time? Odom, Bynum or Artest? For Gasol? To play the 5? This defense has enough holes.

Bill Simmons on Tyreke Evans "The prototypical 0-guard: Someone who handles the ball all the time, looks for his own shot, gets to the rim at will and operates best if his teammates spread the floor to watch him."
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5/9/2011  7:32 AM
If we add a couple of bigs along the same lines as Chandler and Haywood we definitely have a chance to compete like the Mavs are. Dalembert definitely has a little of those same factors to him that we could really use for starters. We could use a couple of shooters to.
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5/9/2011  8:07 AM
Am I wrong, or does Dallas have way more talent than we have now or could possibly add in the short term
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5/9/2011  8:08 AM
Olbrannon wrote:
nixluva wrote:There has been success with teams that are great offensively and good D, but not great D. The Mavs are a superior offensive team with Championship level size. We don't have that kind of size, but Donnie is working on it and has been trying to acquire bigs that can hold down the middle. The Mavs unlike the Knicks have QUALITY SIZE. Until we can add that kind of help inside it's going to be hard to get to the title level. I believe Donnie will be able to get something done, but it's gonna be really hard.

Maybe the Lakers would be willing to deal

Deal? For which of the 3 bigs would you deal who committed a flagrant foul during crunch time? Odom, Bynum or Artest? For Gasol? To play the 5? This defense has enough holes.

Bynum with his dirty play will be sent out of La La land. The Black Mamba was not happy with his actions.

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5/9/2011  10:04 AM    LAST EDITED: 5/9/2011  10:06 AM
franco12 wrote:Am I wrong, or does Dallas have way more talent than we have now or could possibly add in the short term

You're not wrong. I'd like to know how we're going to accumulate these bigs to look like Dallas.

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5/9/2011  10:34 AM
NYKBocker wrote:
Olbrannon wrote:
nixluva wrote:There has been success with teams that are great offensively and good D, but not great D. The Mavs are a superior offensive team with Championship level size. We don't have that kind of size, but Donnie is working on it and has been trying to acquire bigs that can hold down the middle. The Mavs unlike the Knicks have QUALITY SIZE. Until we can add that kind of help inside it's going to be hard to get to the title level. I believe Donnie will be able to get something done, but it's gonna be really hard.

Maybe the Lakers would be willing to deal

Deal? For which of the 3 bigs would you deal who committed a flagrant foul during crunch time? Odom, Bynum or Artest? For Gasol? To play the 5? This defense has enough holes.

Bynum with his dirty play will be sent out of La La land. The Black Mamba was not happy with his actions.

I think this has been the plan for a while anyway and Bynum has to realize it. With Howard's impending free agency and desire to go to Hollywood, combined with the sudden lack of chemistry for the Lake show, it seems inevitable that these two are gonna deal. Honestly, Orlando will probably make out pretty well, from a basketball standpoint (not soo much for tix sales) by dumping some of their big contracts and getting back some combination of Bynum, Gasol, Odom.

I agree with the OP though, I was thinking the same thing watching all those 3s yesterday. Unfortunately, I don't think the Knicks even meet half the depth of what Dallas is working with.

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5/9/2011  10:41 AM

Dallas was our future when Gallo was gonna be Dirk.

Dallas got good starphuch value from Peja.

Dallas smoked Lakes from the outside. It works this week. See what happens.

Carlisle I think preaches better defense cuz of the new hair cut this season. If MDA did a buzz cut he'd look more "D" oriented and I bet knick fans would think he was being open minded about preaching the "D".

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5/9/2011  10:53 AM
nixluva wrote:There has been success with teams that are great offensively and good D, but not great D. The Mavs are a superior offensive team with Championship level size. We don't have that kind of size, but Donnie is working on it and has been trying to acquire bigs that can hold down the middle. The Mavs unlike the Knicks have QUALITY SIZE. Until we can add that kind of help inside it's going to be hard to get to the title level. I believe Donnie will be able to get something done, but it's gonna be really hard.

Maybe the Lakers would be willing to deal

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Nixluva must be on Mike D's payroll. LOL I can't believe this. Donnie can't do nothing for next season. We are capped out.

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5/9/2011  10:56 AM
All that size that Dallas has helps them to clog things up and keep teams from shooting a higher %. It's the success rate of how teams do in the paint that really helps them to shoot a higher % and that's where we've been weak. Despite all the blocked shots we got, overall teams found it easy to score inside and to put back misses against us.

Once we have good size inside then our perimeter guys can be more aggressive and it has a domino effect on a teams defense. Heck I even saw Peja of all people playing good D! As for the superior depth that Dallas has, it's a matter of time if you are willing to be over the cap. They've been collecting vets for a while. The Knicks will be looking to do the same thing eventually. It all depends on what happens with the Cap and if Donnie comes to the conclusion that he won't be able to add another Star. As soon as he gives up on that he can go ahead and add players and salary without worrying about being under the cap for 2012. I don't see how we can add another guy like CP3 or Deron at this point.

There's always some team willing to deal out there so I wouldn't say that we can't add some depth via a trade. It all depends on whether your willing to take back more long term salary or not.

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5/9/2011  12:29 PM
Sure, if Mark Cuban buys the Knicks. Otherwise we'll keep starphucing our way to mediocrity.
Rose is not the answer.
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5/9/2011  1:43 PM
knickstorrents wrote:Sure, if Mark Cuban buys the Knicks. Otherwise we'll keep starphucing our way to mediocrity.

Hey Cuban has been at it for a while too. He's been trying to buy his championship as much as the Knicks. He just might get it this time.

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5/9/2011  4:30 PM
nixluva wrote:
knickstorrents wrote:Sure, if Mark Cuban buys the Knicks. Otherwise we'll keep starphucing our way to mediocrity.

Hey Cuban has been at it for a while too. He's been trying to buy his championship as much as the Knicks. He just might get it this time.


DIrk is his Ewing. He has been trying. Can't say I'd hate if they won it.

Still in shock over the Lakers.

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5/9/2011  6:08 PM
nixluva wrote:
knickstorrents wrote:Sure, if Mark Cuban buys the Knicks. Otherwise we'll keep starphucing our way to mediocrity.

Hey Cuban has been at it for a while too. He's been trying to buy his championship as much as the Knicks. He just might get it this time.

And by all accounts making extensive use of advance statistics for quite a while.

Bill Simmons on Tyreke Evans "The prototypical 0-guard: Someone who handles the ball all the time, looks for his own shot, gets to the rim at will and operates best if his teammates spread the floor to watch him."
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5/9/2011  7:10 PM
Olbrannon wrote:
nixluva wrote:
knickstorrents wrote:Sure, if Mark Cuban buys the Knicks. Otherwise we'll keep starphucing our way to mediocrity.

Hey Cuban has been at it for a while too. He's been trying to buy his championship as much as the Knicks. He just might get it this time.

And by all accounts making extensive use of advance statistics for quite a while.


Statistics aside Cuban has thrown a lot of money at his teams quest for the title for a long time now. I thought they were gonna win it the year they lost to Miami. This is probably as good as this team is ever going to be. They'll likely never get a better shot than this.

Once Dolan got involved in the Melo deal we were locked into the same boat as the Mavs. We have to spend money now to try and solve our problems. Hopefully Donnie will by some picks and we can make some great use of those picks. Thank goodness we're really only looking for key role players. Hopefully we can find a PG like Teague and a other young bigs that can fill our needs. In addition we'll be over the cap going after vets willing to take a bit less to play with STAT and Melo.

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5/9/2011  9:30 PM
"Buy" picks?

It would be nice. In the house of Little Jimmy you can't hire a new GM or spend money on scouts but its cool to extend Isiah 4 more years THEN pay an 11 million settlement PLUS legal fees!

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5/9/2011  9:49 PM
nixluva wrote:
Olbrannon wrote:
nixluva wrote:
knickstorrents wrote:Sure, if Mark Cuban buys the Knicks. Otherwise we'll keep starphucing our way to mediocrity.

Hey Cuban has been at it for a while too. He's been trying to buy his championship as much as the Knicks. He just might get it this time.

And by all accounts making extensive use of advance statistics for quite a while.


Statistics aside Cuban has thrown a lot of money at his teams quest for the title for a long time now. I thought they were gonna win it the year they lost to Miami. This is probably as good as this team is ever going to be. They'll likely never get a better shot than this.

Once Dolan got involved in the Melo deal we were locked into the same boat as the Mavs. We have to spend money now to try and solve our problems. Hopefully Donnie will by some picks and we can make some great use of those picks. Thank goodness we're really only looking for key role players. Hopefully we can find a PG like Teague and a other young bigs that can fill our needs. In addition we'll be over the cap going after vets willing to take a bit less to play with STAT and Melo.

Head to head Toney Douglas destroyed Teague in the ACC matchups they had.

See this is the thing..you sell Nash as the great example and he can shoot and pass and play offense with the best of the points in the league...but you only spend half your time on offense. Teague had 6 points 2 assists and 3 TO's last game

Bill Simmons on Tyreke Evans "The prototypical 0-guard: Someone who handles the ball all the time, looks for his own shot, gets to the rim at will and operates best if his teammates spread the floor to watch him."
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5/9/2011  11:31 PM
In addition to having good size, the Mavs get great rebounding at the small forward position and point guard position. They are a much more balanced and traditional team.
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