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Killa4luv
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5/2/2011  11:33 AM    LAST EDITED: 5/2/2011  11:57 AM
As long as we have Stat and Melo, we'll never get a high pick. Every pick we have has to count, and one way to make sure it does is to find players who are solid fundamentally, work hard, and are coachable.

We don't need the #1 pick, we don't need stars, we need solid, smart role players who lock up on d, and make good decisions with the rock. We can develop players who have the right physical tools and work ethic. Players who want to win.

Draft players with upside and develop them. If the staff doesn't exist to develop PG's and Bigs, hire them. Its as simple as that.

In this draft there are a number of interesting prospects who will be available when and after we pick. W eshoudl buy a few 2nd rounders and combined with our first rounder, grab 3 of these players.

The players I'm looking at are:
Reggie Jackson -tall, long athletic PG. who's from Colorado. No thats not a typo. We have Chauncey here to mentor him.

Much of Jackson's development since last season can be attributed to the way he utilizes his athleticism. Standing 6'3 with a giant wingspan, but an underdeveloped frame, Jackson has excellent size for a point guard, and while he does a lot of scoring at the college level, he has the makings of a potential floor general on the NBA level if he improves his ability to orchestrate an offense. He took a big step towards that end by learning how to play at different speeds, something that he didn't do effectively last season. That change has allowed him to cut down on his mistakes considerably, yielding his impressive 2.9 assists-to-turnover ratio. Slowing the game down and using his excellent quickness to exploit seams within the flow of the offense instead of using it to force action, Jackson has looked terrific in the open floor and in most half court situations early this season.

Though Jackson has been producing at a high-level as a passer and a scorer in the early going, he still has plenty of room to grow to become a legitimate point guard. The Colorado native shows great court vision, is not one to miss an open teammate to take his own shot, and has become extremely adept and scoring and passing in pick and roll situations, but spends a considerable amount of time off the ball where Steve Donahue can best exploit his scoring ability and give his team a dynamic athlete on the wing to complement Joe Trapani's shot-up shooting and off-ball scoring ability.

From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Reggie-Jackson-6325/#ixzz1LD7xAlfi
http://www.draftexpress.com

Iman Shumpert - tall, long atheltic PG who is a beast on man to man defense. 6-4, quick first step. Needs development to be a true PG, but the fact that he locks in on D, says alot about his work ethic. Greta project for coach Chauncey.

Shumpert's most consistent contributions come in transition, where he can use his speed and first step most effectively. A solid finisher who has become more adept at drawing contact and finishing plays himself instead of forcing tough passes, Shumpert still flashes good court vision on occasion, but has a great deal of room to improve offensively on the whole.

The same can't be said for his play on the defensive end, where he has absolutely flourished this season. Combining excellent length and lateral quickness with good intensity, Shumpert is simply exceptional one-on-one, rebounds the ball at an outrageous rate for a guard, and leads our database in steals by a pretty considerable margin. Extremely active with his hands and feet, Shumpert does a great job maintaining his balance and denying penetration and has the physical tools to defend multiple positions in the NBA.

From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Iman-Shumpert-5156/#ixzz1LD72xLQq
http://www.draftexpress.com

Keith Benson - 6-11 long wingspan, shotblocker with developing offensive game. Has alot of upside. Needs to hit the gym. But could be a nice compliment next to Amare, blocking shots ad grabbing boards. He has a nice touch already. He'd be MOsgov part II, not as big though.

CHris Singleton - 6-8 long wingspan athletic SF/PF

With his terrific size, length, lateral quickness and intensity, Singleton puts tremendous pressure on the ball and is an absolute menace in passing lanes. He gets his team tons of extra possessions every game with his ability to collect rebounds, blocks and steals, and is the type of player who would have no problem guarding multiple positions at the NBA level —be it face-up 4's, shot-creating wings, back-to-the-basket forwards, or even switching out onto quicker guards on the perimeter (if that's how his coach elects to defend the pick-and-roll). This type of versatility makes him extremely attractive in today's NBA. From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Chris-Singleton-1342/#ixzz1LCwjsiCI
http://www.draftexpress.com

Jordan Williams - 6-10" 260. Pretty decent in the post. Excellent rebounder. Not a good shooter, but probably can be because he has soft hands and good form. He works hard too, but his conditioning is an issue. He lost tons of weight already though through hard work. I think he can be a really good player, because he likes to play in the post, although he lacks athleticism, he does have size. But he's several years away.


Free agency can give us some known commodities but there is really nothing there in terms of PG. The best of the bigs are Samuel Dalembert. Deandre Jordan is a bit of a long shot and Marc Gasol is seeming more and more like a pipe dream considering how well he's playing.

We have to develop players now, because we dont need to make stars, we just need to make a solid supporting cast for our stars. Of course that starts with Toney Douglas, Landry Fields and Billy Walker.

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5/2/2011  12:38 PM
Killa4luv wrote:As long as we have Stat and Melo, we'll never get a high pick. Every pick we have has to count, and one way to make sure it does is to find players who are solid fundamentally, work hard, and are coachable.

We don't need the #1 pick, we don't need stars, we need solid, smart role players who lock up on d, and make good decisions with the rock. We can develop players who have the right physical tools and work ethic. Players who want to win.

Draft players with upside and develop them. If the staff doesn't exist to develop PG's and Bigs, hire them. Its as simple as that.

In this draft there are a number of interesting prospects who will be available when and after we pick. W eshoudl buy a few 2nd rounders and combined with our first rounder, grab 3 of these players.

The players I'm looking at are:
Reggie Jackson -tall, long athletic PG. who's from Colorado. No thats not a typo. We have Chauncey here to mentor him.

Much of Jackson's development since last season can be attributed to the way he utilizes his athleticism. Standing 6'3 with a giant wingspan, but an underdeveloped frame, Jackson has excellent size for a point guard, and while he does a lot of scoring at the college level, he has the makings of a potential floor general on the NBA level if he improves his ability to orchestrate an offense. He took a big step towards that end by learning how to play at different speeds, something that he didn't do effectively last season. That change has allowed him to cut down on his mistakes considerably, yielding his impressive 2.9 assists-to-turnover ratio. Slowing the game down and using his excellent quickness to exploit seams within the flow of the offense instead of using it to force action, Jackson has looked terrific in the open floor and in most half court situations early this season.

Though Jackson has been producing at a high-level as a passer and a scorer in the early going, he still has plenty of room to grow to become a legitimate point guard. The Colorado native shows great court vision, is not one to miss an open teammate to take his own shot, and has become extremely adept and scoring and passing in pick and roll situations, but spends a considerable amount of time off the ball where Steve Donahue can best exploit his scoring ability and give his team a dynamic athlete on the wing to complement Joe Trapani's shot-up shooting and off-ball scoring ability.

From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Reggie-Jackson-6325/#ixzz1LD7xAlfi
http://www.draftexpress.com

Iman Shumpert - tall, long atheltic PG who is a beast on man to man defense. 6-4, quick first step. Needs development to be a true PG, but the fact that he locks in on D, says alot about his work ethic. Greta project for coach Chauncey.

Shumpert's most consistent contributions come in transition, where he can use his speed and first step most effectively. A solid finisher who has become more adept at drawing contact and finishing plays himself instead of forcing tough passes, Shumpert still flashes good court vision on occasion, but has a great deal of room to improve offensively on the whole.

The same can't be said for his play on the defensive end, where he has absolutely flourished this season. Combining excellent length and lateral quickness with good intensity, Shumpert is simply exceptional one-on-one, rebounds the ball at an outrageous rate for a guard, and leads our database in steals by a pretty considerable margin. Extremely active with his hands and feet, Shumpert does a great job maintaining his balance and denying penetration and has the physical tools to defend multiple positions in the NBA.

From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Iman-Shumpert-5156/#ixzz1LD72xLQq
http://www.draftexpress.com

Keith Benson - 6-11 long wingspan, shotblocker with developing offensive game. Has alot of upside. Needs to hit the gym. But could be a nice compliment next to Amare, blocking shots ad grabbing boards. He has a nice touch already. He'd be MOsgov part II, not as big though.

CHris Singleton - 6-8 long wingspan athletic SF/PF

With his terrific size, length, lateral quickness and intensity, Singleton puts tremendous pressure on the ball and is an absolute menace in passing lanes. He gets his team tons of extra possessions every game with his ability to collect rebounds, blocks and steals, and is the type of player who would have no problem guarding multiple positions at the NBA level —be it face-up 4's, shot-creating wings, back-to-the-basket forwards, or even switching out onto quicker guards on the perimeter (if that's how his coach elects to defend the pick-and-roll). This type of versatility makes him extremely attractive in today's NBA. From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Chris-Singleton-1342/#ixzz1LCwjsiCI
http://www.draftexpress.com

Jordan Williams - 6-10" 260. Pretty decent in the post. Excellent rebounder. Not a good shooter, but probably can be because he has soft hands and good form. He works hard too, but his conditioning is an issue. He lost tons of weight already though through hard work. I think he can be a really good player, because he likes to play in the post, although he lacks athleticism, he does have size. But he's several years away.


Free agency can give us some known commodities but there is really nothing there in terms of PG. The best of the bigs are Samuel Dalembert. Deandre Jordan is a bit of a long shot and Marc Gasol is seeming more and more like a pipe dream considering how well he's playing.

We have to develop players now, because we dont need to make stars, we just need to make a solid supporting cast for our stars. Of course that starts with Toney Douglas, Landry Fields and Billy Walker.

Benson and Shumpert are intriguing to me not like I'm without prejudice here though.

Chad Ford of ESPN says of Singleton that he is extremely valuable because of the style of basketball he excelled at in college.

"He remains the best and most versatile defender in the country," says Ford. "Singleton was repeatedly called upon to guard the opposing team's best player and showed again that he's equally comfortable covering perimeter and post players. His size, quickness and athleticism should all transfer to the next level. Someone's going to take him high based purely on his ability to impact the game defensively."

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/655190-2011-nba-mock-draft-how-will-draft-look-with-harrison-barnes-staying-at-unc/entry/59557-2011-nba-mock-draft-chris-singleton-would-give-trailblazers-top-defense-in-nba


Singleton was one of 20 college stars chosen to scrimmage against the U.S. national team in Las Vegas last July to help that team of NBA players prepare for the World Championships. He was one of only 10 players who were brought back for more scrimmages against the national team the following month in New York.

It was an eye-opening experience, said Singleton.

"It tells me that I can compete with the best," he said.

"It really helped me. I had to guard Derrick Rose. ... I had to guard [Russell] Westbrook. And I had to turn around and I had to guard Kevin Durant and sometimes Kevin Love.

"I'm just trying to put forth what I learned there and apply it here."

The 6-foot-9, 220-pound Singleton studied the NBA standouts.

"I observed the point guards -- how they were leaders. I'm trying to put the leadership forth to this team," he said. "Also, I learned from Kevin Durant. There's no telling when he was going to shoot the ball. That's one thing I tried to pick up from him -- try not to let the defense limit me. I can score from anywhere on the court."

Singleton's scoring average of 15.2 points is up from last year's average of 10.2 points.


http://www.roanoke.com/sports/acc/wb/273146

I cannot find the quote now but one author claimed he was the best defender to enter the NBA in the last two years.

Bill Simmons on Tyreke Evans "The prototypical 0-guard: Someone who handles the ball all the time, looks for his own shot, gets to the rim at will and operates best if his teammates spread the floor to watch him."
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5/2/2011  3:23 PM
My guess is that Donnie will try to buy some picks. It would only make sense given our cap situation. I think Donnie is great at finding guys like Fields and I would bet he's looking to try and strike gold again this summer. My guess is that really strong rebounder/defenders are gonna be high on his list. We don't need scoring!!! That's actually a blessing. We can look for the Shane Battier types now and really build a stronger dfensive team around STAT and Melo.
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5/2/2011  3:26 PM
nixluva wrote:My guess is that Donnie will try to buy some picks. It would only make sense given our cap situation. I think Donnie is great at finding guys like Fields and I would bet he's looking to try and strike gold again this summer. My guess is that really strong rebounder/defenders are gonna be high on his list. We don't need scoring!!! That's actually a blessing. We can look for the Shane Battier types now and really build a stronger dfensive team around STAT and Melo.

I agree with you on this. He'll probably look for a PG who can get to the paint and who can pass, even if the guy can't shoot and I agree that they need a stronger defensive and rebounding team around Melo and Amare and Billups.

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5/2/2011  7:49 PM
Isn't Mardy Collins still out there somewhere?
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Killa4luv
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5/2/2011  8:26 PM
y2zipper wrote:
nixluva wrote:My guess is that Donnie will try to buy some picks. It would only make sense given our cap situation. I think Donnie is great at finding guys like Fields and I would bet he's looking to try and strike gold again this summer. My guess is that really strong rebounder/defenders are gonna be high on his list. We don't need scoring!!! That's actually a blessing. We can look for the Shane Battier types now and really build a stronger dfensive team around STAT and Melo.

I agree with you on this. He'll probably look for a PG who can get to the paint and who can pass, even if the guy can't shoot and I agree that they need a stronger defensive and rebounding team around Melo and Amare and Billups.


We need dribble penetration and perimeter d worse than we need anything else.
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5/4/2011  4:52 AM    LAST EDITED: 5/4/2011  4:56 AM
technomaster wrote:Isn't Mardy Collins still out there somewhere?

LOL. If Mardy could dribble penetrate, I would take him back. Unfortunately, he cannot and he still can't shoot.

I agree that we need to focus heavily on the draft. Jackson and Shumpet are solid PG prospects that should be available. The good thing about both is that they are big enough to play next to Toney Douglas, which will allow Douglas to play his more natural spot as a SG. I would draft one of those two and then try to buy another first round pick and draft a defensive center/power forward. However, if a solid SG prospect drops, we probably could draft him also. We need to draft the best talent available for that second pick (but the first pick needs to be reserved for a PG unless a real stud falls to us).

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5/4/2011  5:29 AM
I agree with the subject of this topic. We need to amass assets that are under the value they are worth. The best way is through the draft, but if we can get other assets through favorable trades that we can develop and improve, that would work as well.

Basically we need to mimic the front office moves of teams like Houston, OKC, San Antonio, etc.

Rose is not the answer.
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5/4/2011  7:34 AM    LAST EDITED: 5/4/2011  7:35 AM
i like chris singleton.... he can be our wilson chandler! if we draft we can say goodbye to Jared Jeffries!!!!!!!


my draft board is:

1.Biyombo
2.Singleton
3.Faried
4.Markieff Morris

I dont think we need a PG right now... We have a good rotation at PG with billups/douglas/carter... we need to address a need of a starting 2 guard. Depth. Defense and Interior Defense


if we draft singleton we can buy a second round pick to get benson then make him do a Jerome Jordan Route( europe)

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5/4/2011  8:09 AM
unstopaball12 wrote:i like chris singleton.... he can be our wilson chandler! if we draft we can say goodbye to Jared Jeffries!!!!!!!


my draft board is:

1.Biyombo
2.Singleton
3.Faried
4.Markieff Morris

I dont think we need a PG right now... We have a good rotation at PG with billups/douglas/carter... we need to address a need of a starting 2 guard. Depth. Defense and Interior Defense


if we draft singleton we can buy a second round pick to get benson then make him do a Jerome Jordan Route( europe)

I hope we can have Carter come back, because then I would agree those three are a nice decent group to man the position.

And I kinda agree that SG is a major need for us. I'm sure Fields will come back better- much like Lee improved every year- but he is not the most dynamic scorer. We need someone like Gerald Wilkins! Tall, athletic that can get to the paint off the dribble.

But I think our greatest need is the 5 spot - we need some girth and size that can occupy space and grab boards. Someone like a Reggie Evans would be perfect. Any prospects from Virginia Union!

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5/4/2011  8:15 AM
I think donnie will make sure AC will come back!

he said he is evaluating his players during the playoffs and AC did a hell of a job. He is a good player who can give us 8 solid mins off the bench.

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5/4/2011  10:59 AM
TheGame wrote:
technomaster wrote:Isn't Mardy Collins still out there somewhere?

LOL. If Mardy could dribble penetrate, I would take him back. Unfortunately, he cannot and he still can't shoot.

I agree that we need to focus heavily on the draft. Jackson and Shumpet are solid PG prospects that should be available. The good thing about both is that they are big enough to play next to Toney Douglas, which will allow Douglas to play his more natural spot as a SG. I would draft one of those two and then try to buy another first round pick and draft a defensive center/power forward. However, if a solid SG prospect drops, we probably could draft him also. We need to draft the best talent available for that second pick (but the first pick needs to be reserved for a PG unless a real stud falls to us).

I would take Mardy Collins over Roger Mason and Balkman at this point.

BOLD!

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