ATrain wrote:We are gonna keep Rautins? Why?

I think he stays because:

1. He is on contract
2. He didn't play so I don't consider him tradeable
3. He and Landry have to do another season of the andy & landry show. lol.

Childs2Dudley wrote:Why exactly do we keep most of that bench? They suck. We can get better veterans this summer.

In short:

Turiaf - He picks up his option.
Shawne - He stays. More corner 3's for us.
JJ - Cheap big. Another 1 year deal maybe.
Toney - On contract. Doubt we give up on him after 2 years. Although I hate his defense or lack thereof.
Billy - Cheap gaurd/foward.
Derrick - Upside. Cheap.

TymeLessKnicks wrote:

Childs2Dudley wrote:Why exactly do we keep most of that bench? They suck. We can get better veterans this summer.

propose some scenarios C2D...

In short:

Turiaf - He picks up his option.
Shawne - He stays. More corner 3's for us.
JJ - Cheap big. Another 1 year deal maybe.
Toney - On contract. Doubt we give up on him after 2 years. Although I hate his defense or lack thereof.
Billy - Cheap gaurd/foward.
Derrick - Upside. Cheap.

What scenarios are there to propose? They are pretty obvious. We want to get better next season. That does not include bringing back an identical team with Jerome Jordan at center and expecting better results. This franchise will at least revamp the bench. They will be attractive to veterans who want to play for a winner and get some good minutes at the same time. Is Grant Hill available this summer? There's one guy to look at.

Turiaf can pick up his option but then he becomes an expiring contract so he can be traded.
Toney Douglas can be traded and I surely hope he is. D'Antoni's love for him, though, might prevent that.
Jeffries is another guy who should not return under any circumstance but the D'Antoni factor comes in again.
Walker is not good enough being on a playoff team's rotation and therefore will not return.
Carter proved he is better than Douglas and is a good backup PG and should return.
Brown barely played for us and probably never will under this coach. His roster spot can be better utilized by someone else.
Rautins played 4 games this season. Balkman played that many in 28 games under D'Antoni. Rautins is gone.
Balkman is another guy who will probably be cut this summer. He will have 1 year remaining on his deal and is worthless to the team.

Grant Hill would be great, but if he's still up for playing, I'd love to bring back Kurt Thomas this summer. He obviously still has some gas in the tank. Be nice to bring in a guy to do some of the dirty work inside the paint. Don't **** with the crazy eyes.

Childs2Dudley wrote:

TymeLessKnicks wrote:

Childs2Dudley wrote:

TymeLessKnicks wrote:

Childs2Dudley wrote:Why exactly do we keep most of that bench? They suck. We can get better veterans this summer.

propose some scenarios C2D...

In short:

Turiaf - He picks up his option.
Shawne - He stays. More corner 3's for us.
JJ - Cheap big. Another 1 year deal maybe.
Toney - On contract. Doubt we give up on him after 2 years. Although I hate his defense or lack thereof.
Billy - Cheap gaurd/foward.
Derrick - Upside. Cheap.

What scenarios are there to propose? They are pretty obvious. We want to get better next season. That does not include bringing back an identical team with Jerome Jordan at center and expecting better results. This franchise will at least revamp the bench. They will be attractive to veterans who want to play for a winner and get some good minutes at the same time. Is Grant Hill available this summer? There's one guy to look at.

Turiaf can pick up his option but then he becomes an expiring contract so he can be traded. (Assuming he will be traded, when at the deadline?)
Toney Douglas can be traded and I surely hope he is. D'Antoni's love for him, though, might prevent that. (MDA rides toney, he wants him to be better, i think you agreed he returns)
Jeffries is another guy who should not return under any circumstance but the D'Antoni factor comes in again. (I think you just agreed again)
Walker is not good enough being on a playoff team's rotation and therefore will not return. (huh? what? because he bricked shots in the playoffs? i guess so but he was the 1st guard off the bench in game 1, so MDA trusts him somewhat. Did I mention cheap?)
Carter proved he is better than Douglas and is a good backup PG and should return. (ok, he might come back too)
Brown barely played for us and probably never will under this coach. His roster spot can be better utilized by someone else. (Brown will play more next year if he stays, MDA wanted to make the playoff so he went with his vets, in the playoffs he wanted to win so he went with his vets...I dont whole heartedly agree but I understand...do you?)
Rautins played 4 games this season. Balkman played that many in 28 games under D'Antoni. Rautins is gone. (I addressed rautins above and believe my reason makes much more sense, plus I think he must have SOME talent)
Balkman is another guy who will probably be cut this summer. He will have 1 year remaining on his deal and is worthless to the team. (Yes, he will be cut)

I edited my post after you proposed your scenario...

Ill give you a chance to edit yours, start thinking like a GM and not a fan.

Also see my notes in your quote above.

Start thinking like a GM? If I am the GM, I get rid of 90% of the bench we have right now. I also fire the head coach. That's what I would do as a GM.

The notes aren't really needed. These players we have are scrubs and can be easily replaced. We can decent veteran players this summer that aren't horrible. Too bad our GM will listen to what his idiot coach tells him and bring in more 3-point shooters.

I would get rid of them too buddy but that's not realistic. we have no money.

Can you list some vets you have in mind (minus Grant Hill)?

lets break this down...

Childs2Dudley wrote:

TymeLessKnicks wrote:

Childs2Dudley wrote:

TymeLessKnicks wrote:

Childs2Dudley wrote:

TymeLessKnicks wrote:

Childs2Dudley wrote:Why exactly do we keep most of that bench? They suck. We can get better veterans this summer.

propose some scenarios C2D...

In short:

Turiaf - He picks up his option.
Shawne - He stays. More corner 3's for us.
JJ - Cheap big. Another 1 year deal maybe.
Toney - On contract. Doubt we give up on him after 2 years. Although I hate his defense or lack thereof.
Billy - Cheap gaurd/foward.
Derrick - Upside. Cheap.

What scenarios are there to propose? They are pretty obvious. We want to get better next season. That does not include bringing back an identical team with Jerome Jordan at center and expecting better results. This franchise will at least revamp the bench. They will be attractive to veterans who want to play for a winner and get some good minutes at the same time. Is Grant Hill available this summer? There's one guy to look at.

Turiaf can pick up his option but then he becomes an expiring contract so he can be traded. (Assuming he will be traded, when at the deadline?)
Toney Douglas can be traded and I surely hope he is. D'Antoni's love for him, though, might prevent that. (MDA rides toney, he wants him to be better, i think you agreed he returns)
Jeffries is another guy who should not return under any circumstance but the D'Antoni factor comes in again. (I think you just agreed again)
Walker is not good enough being on a playoff team's rotation and therefore will not return. (huh? what? because he bricked shots in the playoffs? i guess so but he was the 1st guard off the bench in game 1, so MDA trusts him somewhat. Did I mention cheap?)
Carter proved he is better than Douglas and is a good backup PG and should return. (ok, he might come back too)
Brown barely played for us and probably never will under this coach. His roster spot can be better utilized by someone else. (Brown will play more next year if he stays, MDA wanted to make the playoff so he went with his vets, in the playoffs he wanted to win so he went with his vets...I dont whole heartedly agree but I understand...do you?)
Rautins played 4 games this season. Balkman played that many in 28 games under D'Antoni. Rautins is gone. (I addressed rautins above and believe my reason makes much more sense, plus I think he must have SOME talent)
Balkman is another guy who will probably be cut this summer. He will have 1 year remaining on his deal and is worthless to the team. (Yes, he will be cut)

I edited my post after you proposed your scenario...

Ill give you a chance to edit yours, start thinking like a GM and not a fan.

Also see my notes in your quote above.

Start thinking like a GM? If I am the GM, I get rid of 90% of the bench we have right now. I also fire the head coach. That's what I would do as a GM.

The notes aren't really needed. These players we have are scrubs and can be easily replaced. We can decent veteran players this summer that aren't horrible. Too bad our GM will listen to what his idiot coach tells him and bring in more 3-point shooters.

I would get rid of them too buddy but that's not realistic. we have no money.

Can you list some vets you have in mind (minus Grant Hill)?

lets break this down...

Sure it's realistic. They will be free agent and we will have roster spots to fill. There will be veteran players willing to take LLE salaries to play here and some of those players will be better than the ones we have now.

I already have a list in other threads, buddy boy. Not interested in typing it out again. Maybe another day.

ah...my thread is not worthy.

such an elitist C2D. lol

(v) stands for VACANT

Starters

C - (v) The best big man available, probability of running 3 forward offense is strong because ready-made 6'10 plussers are rare via draft
PF - Amare Stoudemire
SF - Carmelo Anthony
SG - Landry Fields
PG - Chauncey Billups

Second Shift (rotation minutes)

C - (v) Jerome Jordan, maybe, making the leap from overseas to rotation minutes, let alone starting, is asking a lot, likely slides down to Pine Brother
F - (v) vicious rebounder and large body, Jamie Skeen would be perfect
F - Shawne Williams, "stay thirsty my friend", add a dribble drive and life am good
G - Toney Douglas or Bill Walker, I don't care which one, size here is preferred for defense
G - (v) a yoot, understudy for Chauncey who can be trusted in critical situations, Kemba Walker would be sweet, but it will never happen

Pine Brothers (in case of emergency, break glass)

C - (v) Kurt Thomas would be fun, Jared Jeffries blowing layups is no longer fashionable or entertaining
F - Derrick Brown's development should be monitored carefully, he could press for minutes and move up if he gets stronger
F - (v) open, 6'7 free agent from nowhere
G - (v) open, 6'6 summer league standout
G - Anthony Carter (toughness and fan fave), Andy Rautins (must fix ball handling) and a student driver battle for the final roster spot

There are minimally six spots to fill with upgrades, not sidegrades

No center. No playoffs.

This is like when Isiah tried to recruit Kobe with the MLE. OK, maybe not that bad but these guys are centers. Go look at what Dallas signed Dampier for or Haywood. Orlando matched the full MLE for Gortat and that guy played like 12 minutes a game.