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martin
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4/25/2011  1:35 AM
http://ken-berger.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/11838893/28807620?

Knicks considering two-year extension for Walsh
Posted on: April 25, 2011 12:07 am


NEW YORK -- The Knicks are considering a two-year extension for team president Donnie Walsh, with the matter expected to be resolved in the next two weeks, a person familiar with the organization's thinking told CBSSports.com Sunday night.

Walsh, 69, has an option for the 2011-12 season to be exercised by April 30, but the more likely scenario is a two-year extension that would keep the architect of the Knicks' revival at the helm through the critical next phase of the rebuilding plan. If the option is not picked up, Walsh's contract expires June 30.

"It's basically going to be Donnie's call whether he wants to come back," said the person with knowledge of the organization's intentions.

No final decisions have been made on Walsh or coach Mike D'Antoni in the wake of a 4-0 first-round sweep completed Sunday with a 101-89 loss to the Celtics, and sources cautioned that several issues could complicate both situations. For one, neither Walsh nor D'Antoni has been given a clear indication as to their respective statuses, which explains why D'Antoni took some off-guard with his postgame comment Sunday, "I don't know what the future holds."

D'Antoni's comment was not made with knowledge of his status one way or another, one of the sources said. The coach's fate is strongly tied to Walsh, whose future has been shrouded in secrecy and subject to the whims of Madison Square Garden chairman James Dolan. Even those with ties to Walsh who've had dealings with Dolan have been unable to decipher in recent weeks how far Dolan will go to try to keep Walsh.

Another complicating factor could be an attempt to force something on Walsh that he's not comfortable with, sources said. Such a circumstance could be another attempt by Dolan to bring former coach and president Isiah Thomas back into the organization in an official capacity -- an unequivocally destructive move that is believed to be no more than a remote possibility, one of the sources said. Dolan's attempt to hire Thomas, the coach at Florida International, as a consultant last summer was shot down by NBA rules forbidding team employees from having contact with college players who are not yet draft eligible.

Walsh has consistently sidestepped questions about his future and has grown increasingly aggravated that his status has become a news item as the Knicks made their first trip to the playoffs in seven years. Before the Knicks' brief return to the postseason ended Sunday with a 4-0 sweep at the hands of the Celtics, Walsh testily tried to deflect questions about D'Antoni's status and a looming decision on whether to guarantee point guard Chauncey Billups' $14.2 million contract for next season.

Walsh appears to be leaning toward keeping D'Antoni -- "Overall, he's done a good job," he said Sunday -- given that the Knicks lost Billups for the final three games of the Boston series and were further compromised by Amar'e Stoudemire's back injury in Games 3 and 4. D'Antoni has one year left on his contract, had only two months to integrate Billups and Carmelo Anthony with Stoudemire, and hasn't coached a stable roster from start to finish for three seasons.

The decision on Billups, 34, must come first due to a five-day clock that began ticking Sunday on a deadline to fully guarantee his contract for next season. But the most important call is on Walsh, who restored dignity to a lost franchise, cleared a mountain of cap space to attract stars, and now is expected to embark on the third phase of a massive reclamation project that began when he was hired to replace Thomas in April 2008.

Walsh has endured several health problems during his tenure, including a successful bout with tongue cancer and hip-replacement surgery in November that has him still using a walker. But those close to Walsh have described him as being in good health and spirits as well as invigorated by the prospect of completing a rebuilding job that began with the signing of Stoudemire and escalated with the February trade that paired him with Anthony.

After Sunday's loss, both Anthony and Stoudemire deflected questions about whether Walsh and D'Antoni would be back next season.

"I'm pretty sure the front office will handle it to the best of their ability," Anthony said of the multitude of offseason decisions. "They have one of the best front offices in the NBA right now, so they will do their job. I'll let them handle that."

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Juice
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4/25/2011  1:57 AM    LAST EDITED: 4/25/2011  1:58 AM
Supposedly that's a revised or part version of what Melo said

"As far as the coach situation, I'm sure the front office will handle that" ....

"I'm sure me, Amare, Chauncey,Donnie,Dolan, will sit down this summer and see how we can make this team a championship caliber team." (No mention of D'Antoni)

http://video.msg.com/Home/Carmelo-Postgame-Game-4-Loss-to-Celtics-4-24

Melo looked very salty at the end of the game

I would love to know what is included in "OVERALL" good and bad

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4/25/2011  1:57 AM
thank heavens if this is true. i want donnie here to flesh out the roster. very much needed.
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4/25/2011  6:51 AM    LAST EDITED: 4/25/2011  6:56 AM
interesting stuff, Juice

From Sun Tzu's "Art of War" and essentially summarizes why I prefer a different coach:


12. There are three ways in which a ruler can bring
misfortune upon his army:--

13. (1) By commanding the army to advance or to retreat,
being ignorant of the fact that it cannot obey.
This is called hobbling the army.

14. (2) By attempting to govern an army in the
same way as he administers a kingdom, being ignorant
of the conditions which obtain in an army. This causes
restlessness in the soldier's minds.

15. (3) By employing the officers of his army
without discrimination, through ignorance of the
military principle of adaptation to circumstances.
This shakes the confidence of the soldiers.

16. But when the army is restless and distrustful,
trouble is sure to come from the other feudal princes.
This is simply bringing anarchy into the army, and flinging
victory away.

17. Thus we may know that there are five essentials
for victory:
(1) He will win who knows when to fight and when
not to fight
.
(2) He will win who knows how to handle both superior
and inferior forces.
(3) He will win whose army is animated by the same
spirit throughout all its ranks.
(4) He will win who, prepared himself, waits to take
the enemy unprepared.
(5) He will win who has military capacity and is
not interfered with by the sovereign. (DOLAN ALERT!)

13. essentially says if you cannot modify your system to the personnel--you're ****ed

15. essentially says if you your system involves equal emphasis of the all the guys on the court when that emphasis is undeserved--you're ****ed

16. essentially says if those with power don't buy-in, and the supports sees this--you're ****ed

17. essentially lists all the tings MDA needs to improve upon, while also adding the Dolan caveat--also explaining why the team was ****ed before the series even began

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4/25/2011  7:21 AM
Hope it's true. Donnie came here with a plan and so far, has been able to execute it nicely even if it didn't go down the way we all thought it would. He deserves to be back and would love to see him have a crack at finding the appropriate guys to surround our stars with.
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4/25/2011  7:46 AM
Donnie coming back is even more important than mda going. We need him to work the magic of filling our C and PG position(hopimng we don't keep Billups on for 14 mil)
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4/25/2011  8:26 AM
SupremeCommander wrote:interesting stuff, Juice

From Sun Tzu's "Art of War" and essentially summarizes why I prefer a different coach:


12. There are three ways in which a ruler can bring
misfortune upon his army:--

13. (1) By commanding the army to advance or to retreat,
being ignorant of the fact that it cannot obey.
This is called hobbling the army.

14. (2) By attempting to govern an army in the
same way as he administers a kingdom, being ignorant
of the conditions which obtain in an army. This causes
restlessness in the soldier's minds.

15. (3) By employing the officers of his army
without discrimination, through ignorance of the
military principle of adaptation to circumstances.
This shakes the confidence of the soldiers.

16. But when the army is restless and distrustful,
trouble is sure to come from the other feudal princes.
This is simply bringing anarchy into the army, and flinging
victory away.

17. Thus we may know that there are five essentials
for victory:
(1) He will win who knows when to fight and when
not to fight
.
(2) He will win who knows how to handle both superior
and inferior forces.
(3) He will win whose army is animated by the same
spirit throughout all its ranks.
(4) He will win who, prepared himself, waits to take
the enemy unprepared.
(5) He will win who has military capacity and is
not interfered with by the sovereign. (DOLAN ALERT!)

13. essentially says if you cannot modify your system to the personnel--you're ****ed

15. essentially says if you your system involves equal emphasis of the all the guys on the court when that emphasis is undeserved--you're ****ed

16. essentially says if those with power don't buy-in, and the supports sees this--you're ****ed

17. essentially lists all the tings MDA needs to improve upon, while also adding the Dolan caveat--also explaining why the team was ****ed before the series even began

haha this is great stuff SC.

my guess is that the knicks will handle this poorly. dolan is the owner so what else can you expect?

MDA will be brought back as a lame-duck coach. the team will sputter, billups will get injured, and he'll get canned halfway through the season. whoever is hired to replace him will then lament not having a full training camp to implement his vastly different system. knicks struggle to adapt, and are again bounced in the first round, with MDA apologists saying "i told you so!"

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4/25/2011  2:17 PM
6 years for D'Antoni. 6 weeks for his sucessor.
BigSm00th wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:interesting stuff, Juice

From Sun Tzu's "Art of War" and essentially summarizes why I prefer a different coach:


12. There are three ways in which a ruler can bring
misfortune upon his army:--

13. (1) By commanding the army to advance or to retreat,
being ignorant of the fact that it cannot obey.
This is called hobbling the army.

14. (2) By attempting to govern an army in the
same way as he administers a kingdom, being ignorant
of the conditions which obtain in an army. This causes
restlessness in the soldier's minds.

15. (3) By employing the officers of his army
without discrimination, through ignorance of the
military principle of adaptation to circumstances.
This shakes the confidence of the soldiers.

16. But when the army is restless and distrustful,
trouble is sure to come from the other feudal princes.
This is simply bringing anarchy into the army, and flinging
victory away.

17. Thus we may know that there are five essentials
for victory:
(1) He will win who knows when to fight and when
not to fight
.
(2) He will win who knows how to handle both superior
and inferior forces.
(3) He will win whose army is animated by the same
spirit throughout all its ranks.
(4) He will win who, prepared himself, waits to take
the enemy unprepared.
(5) He will win who has military capacity and is
not interfered with by the sovereign. (DOLAN ALERT!)

13. essentially says if you cannot modify your system to the personnel--you're ****ed

15. essentially says if you your system involves equal emphasis of the all the guys on the court when that emphasis is undeserved--you're ****ed

16. essentially says if those with power don't buy-in, and the supports sees this--you're ****ed

17. essentially lists all the tings MDA needs to improve upon, while also adding the Dolan caveat--also explaining why the team was ****ed before the series even began

haha this is great stuff SC.

my guess is that the knicks will handle this poorly. dolan is the owner so what else can you expect?

MDA will be brought back as a lame-duck coach. the team will sputter, billups will get injured, and he'll get canned halfway through the season. whoever is hired to replace him will then lament not having a full training camp to implement his vastly different system. knicks struggle to adapt, and are again bounced in the first round, with MDA apologists saying "i told you so!"

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4/25/2011  2:43 PM
martin wrote:Knicks considering two-year extension for Walsh
Posted on: April 25, 2011 12:07 am

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4/25/2011  3:06 PM
this is so critical. This man understands how to build a team. He's got a good eye for talent and has a great understanding of how pieces fit together. Melo and Amare arent the ideal pair to build around but they both bring some impressive things to the table, first and foremost they bring firepower and are elite scorers. While people want to see more shiny and sexy players added Walsh knows its the guys who bring the lunch pales that will get this team to the next level.

That of course and Rick Adelman

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4/25/2011  3:16 PM
We wanted Colangelo.

Any of the Colangelo's.

Remember?

Who did Daddy and son hire to be the coach?

Who did Donnie hire?

So two guys we universally agree are good guys (Colangelo: Either one, or Donnie) with great reps hire the same guy
we learn he can't win with Isiahs misfits.

When the roster is finally gutted we have our fist winning season in 10 years and some dudes are all pissy cuz we starphuched our depth and went for the moon and the stars!

YOu got the stars, now let some time pass and get some more players in.

Why change the direction of the team now?

Want to build a defensive nature team you don't start with two guys not known for their Defense!

Yo start with:

Lose the battle to win the war.

Got the big names you wanted, paid the price, now let some time pass and let them gel and get the role players around them.

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