Solace wrote:Look, I like his energy, I like him for a spark off the bench at times. It's clear he's not good at ball movement; he's really an undersized two guard and can't play defense. He's not the right piece for this team and he's probably one of the few assets we have with some value. Adios, Toney.

We can not bring him back...absolutely do not want him back. If he is brought back it better be explained to all why and he better have a different role.

s3231 wrote:Keep in mind, guy was playing with a hurt shoulder....if Billups was healthy, we probably see less of him.

Douglas played like crap today but have seen too many good things out of him this season to give up on him this early.

Always some kind of excuse yet with that hurt shoulder it never stopped him from shooting

Juice wrote:

s3231 wrote:Keep in mind, guy was playing with a hurt shoulder....if Billups was healthy, we probably see less of him.

Douglas played like crap today but have seen too many good things out of him this season to give up on him this early.

Always some kind of excuse yet with that hurt shoulder it never stopped him from shooting

Bingo.

Juice wrote:

MSG3 wrote:He's a good 7th or 8th man off the bench. I like him. He was just asked to do too much. Our coach should've recognized that Anthony Carter actually knows how to run an offense.

He was put into position to run offense, as in get players in their right spots and pass them the ball while knocking down timely shots. The things players learn to do in the 5th grade. He'd rather call his number as a 1rst 2nd 3rd 4rth 5th option which is what created the DO TO MUCH. If he'd just play the RIGHT WAY there's no complication

I really don't think he was looking for his shot enough. It's the getting the ball to the right spots, smart decisions and penetrating that he didn't do well with. Also, his defense was horrible. He and Landry just weren't ready for this stage. A lot of guys werent. We shrunk from the moment in games 3 and 4.

MSG3 wrote:

Juice wrote:

MSG3 wrote:He's a good 7th or 8th man off the bench. I like him. He was just asked to do too much. Our coach should've recognized that Anthony Carter actually knows how to run an offense.

He was put into position to run offense, as in get players in their right spots and pass them the ball while knocking down timely shots. The things players learn to do in the 5th grade. He'd rather call his number as a 1rst 2nd 3rd 4rth 5th option which is what created the DO TO MUCH. If he'd just play the RIGHT WAY there's no complication

I really don't think he was looking for his shot enough. It's the getting the ball to the right spots, smart decisions and penetrating that he didn't do well with. Also, his defense was horrible. He and Landry just weren't ready for this stage. A lot of guys werent. We shrunk from the moment in games 3 and 4.

If you watched him closely he wasn't passing or penetrating enough because he was looking for his shot. Just because you look for your shot but don't pull, doesn't mean a player wasn't looking for it enough. Trust he was. His problem resulted in a lot stagnated over dribbling sloppy execution with either wrong player ball in hand, bad shots, or turnovers and yes his defense was awful but he's been overrated well before the playoffs arrived. His ability to make 3ptrs which is such a mesmerizing play fans have a very distorted view of what he does or doesn't do.

MSG3 wrote:

Juice wrote:

MSG3 wrote:

Juice wrote:

MSG3 wrote:He's a good 7th or 8th man off the bench. I like him. He was just asked to do too much. Our coach should've recognized that Anthony Carter actually knows how to run an offense.

He was put into position to run offense, as in get players in their right spots and pass them the ball while knocking down timely shots. The things players learn to do in the 5th grade. He'd rather call his number as a 1rst 2nd 3rd 4rth 5th option which is what created the DO TO MUCH. If he'd just play the RIGHT WAY there's no complication

I really don't think he was looking for his shot enough. It's the getting the ball to the right spots, smart decisions and penetrating that he didn't do well with. Also, his defense was horrible. He and Landry just weren't ready for this stage. A lot of guys werent. We shrunk from the moment in games 3 and 4.

If you watched him closely he wasn't passing or penetrating enough because he was looking for his shot. Just because you look for your shot but don't pull, doesn't mean a player wasn't looking for it enough. Trust he was. His problem resulted in a lot stagnated over dribbling sloppy execution with either wrong player ball in hand, bad shots, or turnovers and yes his defense was awful but he's been overrated well before the playoffs arrived. His ability to make 3ptrs which is such a mesmerizing play fans have a very distorted view of what he does or doesn't do.

Well I agree with you that he over dribbles and doesnt penetrate enough. That makes him a bad PG. Doesn't mean he was doing all those things because he was looking to shoot first. He's not ready to be a lead PG and it doesn't help that it takes a top flight PG to be able to execute this system.

In a more traditional set he corsses the half court line, makes a quick initial pass and either gets the ball back after getting into the paint and back around the perimiter or something else pens up. It's simpler in an offense like Boston's or LA's because the PG isn't as vital, even though Rondo is a meastro.

All he has to do is duplicate what Carter does and Carter is not Top Flight but good enough to keep us consistently competitive. No more excuses no more begging off sorry all used up for several seasons now.