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Why didn't D'Antoni foul with 4 seconds left?
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rojasmas
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4/20/2011  10:33 PM
Didn't see another post on this, wtf? If we foul even with 2 seconds left and they hit both foul shots, we have two seconds to hit a 3 and go into ovetime. Instead Carmelo fouls with half a second left? Come on man. A high school coach knows what to do in that situation. Unless his players are clueless. If Carmelo can't deny an inbounds better than that, or foul quicker than that, he shouldn't be in the game for defense. Increible!
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4/20/2011  10:45 PM
Because D'antoni was not playing.

YOu think its reasonable that the coach does not tell his players to do this?

Players are out of their mind tired and don't do it. Carmelo was pooped. You get that tired you don't always do what your told.

You really gonna pull him? If a steal is made don't you want him chucking the three?

Why didn't D'Antoni foul with 4 seconds left?

Really? Was mike playing?

Incredible what fans think they know AFTER the game is over!

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4/21/2011  3:36 AM
Seemed to me that the players were unaware of the situation and when the ball got inbounded no one was covering the receiver. There were no timeouts left at that point.
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4/21/2011  9:55 AM
knickstorrents wrote:Seemed to me that the players were unaware of the situation and when the ball got inbounded no one was covering the receiver. There were no timeouts left at that point.

according to JJ, they talked about it in the huddle.

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4/21/2011  10:03 AM
Well I guess all the players collectively lost their mind and choked?
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4/21/2011  10:05 AM
knickstorrents wrote:Well I guess all the players collectively lost their mind and choked?

Just Melo. Unfortunately, didn't expect West to get it.

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4/21/2011  10:19 AM
knickstorrents wrote:Well I guess all the players collectively lost their mind and choked?


Why didn't MDA do a NASA stress test during the half time to make sure they did it?

Or at lest an ink blot test to interpret fatigue levels.

Why didn't they fold in the 3rd period?

Why couldn't 3 HOF's and allstar pt guard could not put away the Knicks depleted of AMare and Chauns?

Maybe good coaching? Hot Allstar on career night?

Why are fans "Demanding" an answer?

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4/21/2011  1:04 PM
There is not a human being on the planet that needed to be reminded to foul in that situation. It was obvious and no reminders were needed. These are the little details we need to learn if we want to be a winner some day. A coach should not have to remind them. My 9 year old boys team fouls in that situation without me reminding them. It's like having to remind a player to catch a ball when it is headed for his face.
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4/21/2011  1:17 PM
Melo admitted it was a "mental lapse". Dude was exhausted after carrying the team. They had no timeouts left. With less than 4 seconds left, the idea that they were going to hit a three to take it to overtime is a little far-fetched.
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4/21/2011  1:19 PM
Bippity10 wrote:There is not a human being on the planet that needed to be reminded to foul in that situation. It was obvious and no reminders were needed. These are the little details we need to learn if we want to be a winner some day. A coach should not have to remind them. My 9 year old boys team fouls in that situation without me reminding them. It's like having to remind a player to catch a ball when it is headed for his face.

Delonte beat Melo. Maybe Melo forgot that they changed the rule that players are allowed to go into the backcourt to get in an inbounds in that situation now. Wasn't always the rule.

Whatever the case, there were less than 4 seconds and the Knicks had no timeouts.

Knicks fans need to stop whining.

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4/21/2011  1:23 PM    LAST EDITED: 4/21/2011  1:24 PM
crzymdups wrote:
Bippity10 wrote:There is not a human being on the planet that needed to be reminded to foul in that situation. It was obvious and no reminders were needed. These are the little details we need to learn if we want to be a winner some day. A coach should not have to remind them. My 9 year old boys team fouls in that situation without me reminding them. It's like having to remind a player to catch a ball when it is headed for his face.

Delonte beat Melo. Maybe Melo forgot that they changed the rule that players are allowed to go into the backcourt to get in an inbounds in that situation now. Wasn't always the rule.

Whatever the case, there were less than 4 seconds and the Knicks had no timeouts.

Knicks fans need to stop whining.

Maybe he did forget. Maybe he was mentally tired. Maybe he was beat by Delonte. All those could be true. That's the difference between a good team and a championship team. A great team does not forget the rule. A great team does not get beat on a play like that. A great team does not get mentally tired. The better teams win these games down the stretch becasue they are always up on these small details. In the huddle the coach may remind them and they may remind the coach. Either way, it gets done. These small details are why Boston is up 2-0. All teams must learn these things to get to the next level.

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4/21/2011  1:58 PM
crzymdups wrote:
Bippity10 wrote:There is not a human being on the planet that needed to be reminded to foul in that situation. It was obvious and no reminders were needed. These are the little details we need to learn if we want to be a winner some day. A coach should not have to remind them. My 9 year old boys team fouls in that situation without me reminding them. It's like having to remind a player to catch a ball when it is headed for his face.

Delonte beat Melo. Maybe Melo forgot that they changed the rule that players are allowed to go into the backcourt to get in an inbounds in that situation now. Wasn't always the rule.

Whatever the case, there were less than 4 seconds and the Knicks had no timeouts.

Knicks fans need to stop whining.

just to be sure, both teams just came OUT of a timeout.

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4/21/2011  2:09 PM
alot of guys on this board should read this article to give you a sense of perspective. i bolded some parts i think apply to many here who start thread after thread after thread after thread 2nd guessing and monday morning quarterbacking what we could have, should have done. quit your yapping already and get ready for game 3.


Win or Lose, D’Antoni Deserves Another Year
By WILLIAM C. RHODEN
Published: April 21, 2011

The pillorying of Knicks Coach Mike D’Antoni has reached the point of unfairness. The team narrowly loses its first two playoff games on the road to the Boston Celtics, a team with three future Hall of Fame candidates, and fans want to throw stones at the coach. Coach Mike D'Antoni has led the Knicks to their first postseason appearance since 2004.

The Knicks lose their Rock of Gibraltar guard, Chauncey Billups, at a crucial juncture in Game 1, then lose Amar’e Stoudemire in Game 2. Carmelo Anthony goes for 42 points in Game 2, and fans want to nitpick endgame decisions.

Misery and fatalism are annual staples for Knicks fans. The sky is always falling.

This should be a time of celebration in New York. Spring is here. Madison Square Garden will be rocking Friday night when the Knicks host their first playoff game since 2004, maybe the first that has mattered in over a decade. On top of everything else, this series is one the Knicks, depending on the severity of injuries to Billups and Stoudemire, can win.

A healthy Knicks team can beat an aging Celtics team, but the Knicks are not healthy. Yet, Knicks fans insist on wringing their hands and blasting the coach.

We’ve all taken shots at D’Antoni with good and not so good reasons. But the persistent criticism that he does not coach defense — and I have made it, too — has become a useless cliché.

He knows how to coach offense.

Knicks fans like to cite the Pat Riley era as a model of excellence. That was not beautiful basketball. If fans are honest with themselves, they will look at Riley’s buckets of blood era in New York and concede that the only fun was winning. But even those Knicks never won a championship.

Even if the Knicks are swept by the Celtics in this series, D’Antoni should have next season to make a case for himself. He had the guts of a young team ripped away in February when the Knicks traded Wilson Chandler, Raymond Felton, Danilo Gallinari, Timofey Mozgov and a 2014 first-round draft pick to Denver in exchange for Anthony and Billups.

The trade had to be made, but for the next two months D’Antoni used games as practice sessions to find a way to make the new pieces fit. Judging from calls to radio stations and conversations with Knicks fans, confidence in D’Antoni is fading. Yet, from late February till now, a stretch that might have been the roughest in his career, he has been stellar.

We can debate the merits of the trade from now until forever. The reality is Denver is 0-2 in its first-round series with Oklahoma City, just as the Knicks are 0-2. The difference is, the Knicks can win their series. The Nuggets, anchored by young, former New York players, may not be good enough to beat a superior team.

The Knicks rolled into the playoffs with a full head of steam. For the first time in a long time, Knicks fans can see the light, if only they could stop the handwringing. D’Antoni has seen the light as well. After a rocky ending in Phoenix as the Suns’ head coach and after being roundly criticized in New York, D’Antoni finally gets it: matador defense is not a New York state of mind. Likewise, Knicks fans who are used to cold and darkness in their basketball can appreciate an offense that generates a lot of points in spring.

There have been a number of good shepherds who led the Knicks close to the Promised Land. Now with Stoudemire and Anthony — maybe Billups, hopefully Chris Paul — fans can see the outline of a championship trophy.

Let the Knicks percolate; let them brew. D’Antoni is the right coach for the Knicks at the right time.

If we’re having this conversation about him next season at this time, then, sure, by all means, jettison the coach. But for now, Knicks fans need to back off and celebrate the light. Not for D’Antoni’s sake, for their own.

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4/21/2011  3:19 PM
No, Phorget logic!

I demand accountability!

I am a knick fan, I DESERVE better!

Bring me the one they called "pringles" and we'll let phate decide.

Off with his head, HA HA, or let him live another year!

Offer him no extension and when we reach conf finals next season and the lakers want him then cry for him but lament JVG and the Adle Man.

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4/21/2011  7:35 PM
crzymdups wrote:Melo admitted it was a "mental lapse". Dude was exhausted after carrying the team. They had no timeouts left. With less than 4 seconds left, the idea that they were going to hit a three to take it to overtime is a little far-fetched.

Melo didn't know about the Trent Tucker rule, he didn't know when we were out of timeouts and he didn't know to chase Delonte.

He's a good ball player but he ain't coaching material.

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4/21/2011  10:27 PM
Let me put it this way... The Butler Bulldogs would have fouled the other team IMMEDIATELY! And had 3 seconds to hit a 3 to send it to overtime. It's not that farfetched. Never heard of a team giving up with 4 seconds left.
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4/22/2011  4:38 AM
It's kinda of sad, the coach doesn't understand end game situations. People can be smart asses about this guy having a lapse or that guy, but we burnt 2 times on the KG lay up, left JJ2 in the game on offense with 14 seconds left and Melo who played 23 striaght minutes in a situation were it should have atlease crossed the 8-10 coaches on the bench that the Celtics might run out the clock making us chase them.

Coach isn't too bright IMO.

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4/22/2011  5:49 AM
Anji wrote:It's kinda of sad, the coach doesn't understand end game situations. People can be smart asses about this guy having a lapse or that guy, but we burnt 2 times on the KG lay up, left JJ2 in the game on offense with 14 seconds left and Melo who played 23 striaght minutes in a situation were it should have atlease crossed the 8-10 coaches on the bench that the Celtics might run out the clock making us chase them.

Coach isn't too bright IMO.


Hey how about the excellent defensive schemes he's come up with to hold down the Celtics offense? So far we haven't gotten the kind of shooting that this team is capable of getting and we've been playing without 2 of our 3 best players. I think it's fair to cut the guy some slack if he makes some mistakes under these circumstances. Doc hasn't had to feel that kind of pressure or lack of resources. What if Doc had to play without Rondo and KG?
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4/22/2011  6:57 AM    LAST EDITED: 4/22/2011  6:59 AM
Sorry, I guess Mike is up 2-0 in the what if's playoff series.

I'm sorry but you can't even compare Doc to Mike in the last 2minutes of the game because Doc is killing him in the last 2minutes coaching wise in this and actually getting his team focused on what they need to do.

Even if I was to accept that he was trying to use the double off of JJ to win the game, why did the play look like **** from the start??? The spacing was terrible, were baby was allowed to double from was terrible, where JJ caught the ball was terrible....... you don't get morale victories when you make 5 million dollars a year.

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4/22/2011  9:17 AM
Anji, I agree that Doc has outcoached D'Antoni in the final minutes. I won't argue with you there. But to blame D'Antoni for Carmelo not fouling is pretty ridiculous. No player should have to be reminded in that situation. It's like the team being down 1 with the ball and then blaming the coach for not reminding his players to shoot. Some things don't need reminders.
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Why didn't D'Antoni foul with 4 seconds left?

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