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simrud
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2/9/2004  11:17 AM
Report came out today that Thomas' finger injury is more serious then originally thought, possiblity of sidelining him for 2-4 weeks. Somebody fire the doctors, how much more butchery will it take? These morons can't even deal with somethign as simple as a pinkie sprain, lettin it deteriorate into somethign serous. Norman Scott needs to go!!!!!!
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jhferry
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2/9/2004  12:50 PM
You know I completly agree. It seems everything they touch turns to ****. I can think back on ewing, camby' knee (remember he question scott?) We thought he was nuts then. They didnt do such a good job on Dice either. Houston didnt heal well... On and on...
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2/9/2004  12:54 PM
Norman Scott is all about making money, he's a scab Doctor
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simrud
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2/9/2004  12:59 PM
I think the fact that playa and me agree on something is telling enough.
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2/9/2004  1:29 PM
you will find no shortage of Dr Norm haters on this board...add me to that list - he has to go.
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2/9/2004  1:47 PM
You guys are rediculous. The guy's a doctor. What makes you qualified to second guess his professional opinion? And on an internet chat board? Please.

Of course players criticize a doctor's opinion when it's negative. This is New York. Do you really think that a professional basketball team would keep on a Doctor if he was incompetent? As if there aren't thousands of MDs that would kill to have the job...
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2/9/2004  2:08 PM
If what we are saying regarding questioning Dr. Scott is SO Ridiculous, then name some Knicks players who were actually saitisfied after Butcher Scott got through with them. Post the links to some of Dr. Norman Scott's success stories when he operated on a player and there were no recurring injuries.

It's obvious that there is a problem when SO many players never quite heal correctly. It's NOT about having to be a medical professional to comprehend basic logic. Would you buy a product when the brand name of that product is known for recalls and defective items? No, not if one has any consumer sense at all. The analogy applies.

The Knicks have too much money invested in players for those whom are hired to maintain their health, effectiveness and career longevity not hold up their end of the bargain.

The Knicks need to get another doctor/surgeon and see how successful the operations/rehabs are. A better doctor should yield better results.
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2/9/2004  2:16 PM
Harcore....I think that there is an extreme bias in what is reported. Injuries are news...fully recovered injuries are not. Thus there is not alot of coverage.

Ward had tons of surgeries on his knees...and he is a pretty durable player.

It was mentioned in the last Doc thread that this was one of many knee scopes that Houston has had. All previously successfull. Allan admited that he rushed his return.

The thread was started about KTs finger....Spree broke his hand and never had any reoccuring problems. A small and silly comparison, but the KT finger issue is pretty rediculas.

Dice was previously injured and operated on by a different doctor from another team? Is that doctor to blame?

Is Camby having problems with his knees now? Is there any part of Camby's body that isn't injured on a daily basis?

Too much unknown to make any educated judgement on the Knicks doctors.
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2/9/2004  4:16 PM
Posted by Andrew:

Harcore....I think that there is an extreme bias in what is reported. Injuries are news...fully recovered injuries are not. Thus there is not alot of coverage.

Ward had tons of surgeries on his knees...and he is a pretty durable player.

It was mentioned in the last Doc thread that this was one of many knee scopes that Houston has had. All previously successfull. Allan admited that he rushed his return.

The thread was started about KTs finger....Spree broke his hand and never had any reoccuring problems. A small and silly comparison, but the KT finger issue is pretty rediculas.

Dice was previously injured and operated on by a different doctor from another team? Is that doctor to blame?

Is Camby having problems with his knees now? Is there any part of Camby's body that isn't injured on a daily basis?

Too much unknown to make any educated judgement on the Knicks doctors.

Completely true. Plus, we have no idea how much is done by Knick doctors, and how much is done by the players' own physicians. The players get second and third opinions and may or may not elect to take therapy, medication, and treatment from other MDs.

It's all well and good for we as avid fans and amateur players of the game to have intelligent discussions about how a team should be run. When we delve in the realm of medical science and make comment on a guys job performance based zero empirical evidence, we start to sound pretty damn stupid.
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2/9/2004  4:34 PM
Dr. Norman Scott and his wife handle a lot of athletes, not just on the Knicks and Rangers. Things don't always work out with athletes and injuries, however. The severity of injuries, the players' own recouperative powers, and the players' willingness to follow a rehab program are big parts.

I think one of the only "mistakes" Scott was responsible for was on Camby's knee, when they scoped his knee as a precaution, putting him out of commission an extra 3-4 weeks. (Serves Camby right for being a big complainer!)

Of course, there was the whole Charles Smith debacle... which I can hardly fault the Norman Scott for--- he came in with a prior repair. Smith had a game built on athleticism, and after his initial injury with the Clippers, he was never quite the same player... that and Anthony Mason made his tenure with the Knicks a difficult one.
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