AnubisADL wrote:The team is too thin and not constructed around Melo and Amare yet.

This summer I see ALOT of changes.

I hope so. Another summer of change.... 4 years running.

Nalod wrote:Knick basketball: The future is the past!

And the present is always the future.

So now we just start over with 2 stars already in place. It's not the worst position to be in to be honest. It stinks right now, but it can be improved over the summer and be totally different next year. At the end of this season we'll have $45,496,089 of salary on the books. Bill Walker and Chauncey have team options in the amount of $14.2 mil and $916,100. If we let those 2 go we'd be at $30,379,989. If they decided to go that way that would leave a decent amount to work with depending on the new CBA. It's conceivable that a quick turnaround could happen next season, depending upon what Donnie can get done.

nixluva wrote:Once Dolan got involved this went from a situation where we had a lot of pieces and just need to add a 2nd star to adding a 2nd star but needing a lot of pieces to make it all work. This is what Donnie and Mike kept warning against all year whenever someone asked them about a trade. They kept saying they didn't want to give up too much, but as well all know Dolan saw to it that he got his man at any cost.

So now we just start over with 2 stars already in place. It's not the worst position to be in to be honest. It stinks right now, but it can be improved over the summer and be totally different next year. At the end of this season we'll have $45,496,089 of salary on the books. Bill Walker and Chauncey have team options in the amount of $14.2 mil and $916,100. If we let those 2 go we'd be at $30,379,989. If they decided to go that way that would leave a decent amount to work with depending on the new CBA. It's conceivable that a quick turnaround could happen next season, depending upon what Donnie can get done.

I'm glad you bolded, "depending upon what Donnie can get done"

If the Knicks win their last few games, steal a couple in the playoffs or better yet win in rd 1, this will all be forgotten and we'll all be chomping at the bit for next yr. Yeah I really think teams are still worried about playing the Knicks in rd 1 given the talent on the roster. I wouldn't be surprised if they were dumping games bc they think they can beat the Bulls (which I don't they can). I still hope we play Miami in rd 1.

CrushAlot wrote:

nixluva wrote:Once Dolan got involved this went from a situation where we had a lot of pieces and just need to add a 2nd star to adding a 2nd star but needing a lot of pieces to make it all work. This is what Donnie and Mike kept warning against all year whenever someone asked them about a trade. They kept saying they didn't want to give up too much, but as well all know Dolan saw to it that he got his man at any cost.

So now we just start over with 2 stars already in place. It's not the worst position to be in to be honest. It stinks right now, but it can be improved over the summer and be totally different next year. At the end of this season we'll have $45,496,089 of salary on the books. Bill Walker and Chauncey have team options in the amount of $14.2 mil and $916,100. If we let those 2 go we'd be at $30,379,989. If they decided to go that way that would leave a decent amount to work with depending on the new CBA. It's conceivable that a quick turnaround could happen next season, depending upon what Donnie can get done.

I agree with all of this but it is sad to have to start coveting other teams players again instead of watching Knick players blossoming.

where we would be in cap

from Shamsports.com

Melo=$18,520,000
Stat=$18,217,705
Rony=$x4,360,000(until he opts out)
Balk=$x1,675,000
Doug=$x1,145,640
Land=$xxx788,872(non guaranteed)
Andy=$xxx788,872(non guaranteed)

Total=$45,496,089(Team Options are players excluded from total salary(Billups and Walker)

Wait we're not done...keep in mind we don't have a sure fire starter at PG/C and a pseudo starting 2G

Let's assume we're bringing back or they opt in.... all these players until further notice(7 under contract) and we axe Billups and Walker. We have 5 empty roster spots in order to fill league requirement of 12 players on the roster. The empty roster spots come with cap hits at approximately $450,000(I'm rounding up as the figure might be closer to 430k) X 5=$2,250,000 added to the above figure

Total Cap before Draft $45,496,089 + $2,250,000=$47,746,089 <---------This is renouncing all of our soon to be free agents

Wait we're not done. We have a 2011 1rst round draft pick to add to the gutted team in June. It looks like it will be pick 17-20. The cap hit(assuming we sign the kid as we do need bodies at this point) on the pick is approximately $1.5mil. So subtract $450,000 and then add $1.5mil

$47,746,089 - $450,000 + $1.5mil=$48,796,089

Now we have 8 players under contract/on the roster minimum 4 holes to fill.....Doubt the 2011 pick becomes our starting point guard unless it's someone like Kemba/Shelvin and even then it's a stretch because would the greatest coach in the world D'AnToni play him? So as of now we have to assume we need to fill the needed positions we have holes in PG/C/G through trade and/or free agency. Salary Cap figure unchanged slight increase $2mil on current $58.044mil($60mil) we'll have about $12mil to spend on 4 positions. If it's a hard cap and settles around current Lux Tax figure($70mil) we're looking at $22mil to fill on 4 positions.

Juice wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

nixluva wrote:Once Dolan got involved this went from a situation where we had a lot of pieces and just need to add a 2nd star to adding a 2nd star but needing a lot of pieces to make it all work. This is what Donnie and Mike kept warning against all year whenever someone asked them about a trade. They kept saying they didn't want to give up too much, but as well all know Dolan saw to it that he got his man at any cost.

So now we just start over with 2 stars already in place. It's not the worst position to be in to be honest. It stinks right now, but it can be improved over the summer and be totally different next year. At the end of this season we'll have $45,496,089 of salary on the books. Bill Walker and Chauncey have team options in the amount of $14.2 mil and $916,100. If we let those 2 go we'd be at $30,379,989. If they decided to go that way that would leave a decent amount to work with depending on the new CBA. It's conceivable that a quick turnaround could happen next season, depending upon what Donnie can get done.

I agree with all of this but it is sad to have to start coveting other teams players again instead of watching Knick players blossoming.

where we would be in cap

from Shamsports.com

Melo=$18,520,000
Stat=$18,217,705
Rony=$x4,360,000(until he opts out)
Balk=$x1,675,000
Doug=$x1,145,640
Land=$xxx788,872(non guaranteed)
Andy=$xxx788,872(non guaranteed)

Total=$45,496,089(Team Options are players excluded from total salary(Billups and Walker)

Wait we're not done...keep in mind we don't have a sure fire starter at PG/C and a pseudo starting 2G

Let's assume we're bringing back or they opt in.... all these players until further notice(7 under contract) and we axe Billups and Walker. We have 5 empty roster spots in order to fill league requirement of 12 players on the roster. The empty roster spots come with cap hits at approximately $450,000(I'm rounding up as the figure might be closer to 430k) X 5=$2,250,000 added to the above figure

Total Cap before Draft $45,496,089 + $2,250,000=$47,746,089 <---------This is renouncing all of our soon to be free agents

Wait we're not done. We have a 2011 1rst round draft pick to add to the gutted team in June. It looks like it will be pick 17-20. The cap hit(assuming we sign the kid as we do need bodies at this point) on the pick is approximately $1.5mil. So subtract $450,000 and then add $1.5mil

$47,746,089 - $450,000 + $1.5mil=$48,796,089

Now we have 8 players under contract/on the roster minimum 4 holes to fill.....Doubt the 2011 pick becomes our starting point guard unless it's someone like Kemba/Shelvin and even then it's a stretch because would the greatest coach in the world D'AnToni play him? So as of now we have to assume we need to fill the needed positions we have holes in PG/C/G through trade and/or free agency. Salary Cap figure unchanged slight increase $2mil on current $58.044mil($60mil) we'll have about $12mil to spend on 4 positions. If it's a hard cap and settles around current Lux Tax figure($70mil) we're looking at $22mil to fill on 4 positions.