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Addressing the PG Situation
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3/27/2011  11:50 AM    LAST EDITED: 3/27/2011  5:52 PM
It seemed as if we were playing very well when Billups was hurt, but for whatever reason, we are struggling now with him running the show. Maybe it isn't about finding the best PG but finding the right one. Are we better off letting Billups go and drafting a PG we can develop and using the cap space to get a FA center?

PGs would may we available that we can pick are Walker, Nolan Smith, Reggie Jackson, Brandon Knight, etc. I am particularly interested in Jackson from BC. He seems like someone who could be developed into an effective uptempo PG.

For centers, the ones who could be available are Nene, Gasol, D Jordan, Dalembert, etc. I am particularly interested in locking Nene to a long term deal, as i think he is one of the best fits at center in the league.

C Nene, Turiaf
PF Stoudemire, Jeffries
SF Anthony, S Williams
SG Fields, Walker
PG Douglas, R Jackson/N Smith or other 1st round pick

Just thinking out loud, and it seems as if we would have success going into next season. I don't necessarily want to jump the gun on Billups, but there is a direct connection with him and how poorly we are playing. It is not Anthony. We just need a PG who can make life easier for Stat and Melo and Billups is not doing that right now. Douglas isn't the answer either, but seemed to be doing well at the time. We need to find the right fit at PG, and i'm not sure what that is yet.

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3/27/2011  12:33 PM
I think the Knicks shoud buy out Billups contract and try to resign him at a better price. I also think that the Knicks should make a run at Aaron Brooks. A big can be acquird in the draft or maybe they can sign either Jordan or Dalembert. Things are hard to figure out without knowing what the cap is going to be.
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3/27/2011  12:54 PM
CashMoney wrote:I think the Knicks shoud buy out Billups contract and try to resign him at a better price. I also think that the Knicks should make a run at Aaron Brooks. A big can be acquird in the draft or maybe they can sign either Jordan or Dalembert. Things are hard to figure out without knowing what the cap is going to be.

We need a PG who can facilitate. Brooks is a scoring PG which is why he was traded.

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3/27/2011  1:28 PM
AnubisADL wrote:
CashMoney wrote:I think the Knicks shoud buy out Billups contract and try to resign him at a better price. I also think that the Knicks should make a run at Aaron Brooks. A big can be acquird in the draft or maybe they can sign either Jordan or Dalembert. Things are hard to figure out without knowing what the cap is going to be.

We need a PG who can facilitate. Brooks is a scoring PG which is why he was traded.

Instead of trying to find someone to try to imitate Steve Nash maybe it is time to find someone different to coach the team. Trying to fit guys into roles that don't match their game and talent is not working.
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3/27/2011  1:57 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:
CashMoney wrote:I think the Knicks shoud buy out Billups contract and try to resign him at a better price. I also think that the Knicks should make a run at Aaron Brooks. A big can be acquird in the draft or maybe they can sign either Jordan or Dalembert. Things are hard to figure out without knowing what the cap is going to be.

We need a PG who can facilitate. Brooks is a scoring PG which is why he was traded.

Instead of trying to find someone to try to imitate Steve Nash maybe it is time to find someone different to coach the team. Trying to fit guys into roles that don't match their game and talent is not working.

For the most part it's ALWAYS better to have distributing PG. It's not necessarily about mimicking Nash, but rather having a actual PG who does what a PG is supposed to do, setup his teammates for excellent shots. When you do that in this offense it's clear that it's a high powered offense. We've only had halfway decent PG's and we avg'd 106 a game. Imagine how it would look with a pure PG?
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3/27/2011  2:08 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:
CashMoney wrote:I think the Knicks shoud buy out Billups contract and try to resign him at a better price. I also think that the Knicks should make a run at Aaron Brooks. A big can be acquird in the draft or maybe they can sign either Jordan or Dalembert. Things are hard to figure out without knowing what the cap is going to be.

We need a PG who can facilitate. Brooks is a scoring PG which is why he was traded.

Instead of trying to find someone to try to imitate Steve Nash maybe it is time to find someone different to coach the team. Trying to fit guys into roles that don't match their game and talent is not working.

Not trying to imitate Steve Nash. We need a guy who can get guys easy shot and make passes that lead to baskets.

Andre Miller would nice at this point.

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3/27/2011  2:46 PM
The system and coach are irrelevant in this situation because we need a pg that makes life easy for stat and melo. Right now billups isn't doing that.
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3/27/2011  4:08 PM
AnubisADL wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:
CashMoney wrote:I think the Knicks shoud buy out Billups contract and try to resign him at a better price. I also think that the Knicks should make a run at Aaron Brooks. A big can be acquird in the draft or maybe they can sign either Jordan or Dalembert. Things are hard to figure out without knowing what the cap is going to be.

We need a PG who can facilitate. Brooks is a scoring PG which is why he was traded.

Instead of trying to find someone to try to imitate Steve Nash maybe it is time to find someone different to coach the team. Trying to fit guys into roles that don't match their game and talent is not working.

Not trying to imitate Steve Nash. We need a guy who can get guys easy shot and make passes that lead to baskets.

Andre Miller would nice at this point.

Miller would definitely be someone to look at if you could sign him to a cheap multi-year deal (maybe starting at 5.5 mill).

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3/28/2011  10:33 AM    LAST EDITED: 3/28/2011  10:33 AM
nixluva wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:
CashMoney wrote:I think the Knicks shoud buy out Billups contract and try to resign him at a better price. I also think that the Knicks should make a run at Aaron Brooks. A big can be acquird in the draft or maybe they can sign either Jordan or Dalembert. Things are hard to figure out without knowing what the cap is going to be.

We need a PG who can facilitate. Brooks is a scoring PG which is why he was traded.

Instead of trying to find someone to try to imitate Steve Nash maybe it is time to find someone different to coach the team. Trying to fit guys into roles that don't match their game and talent is not working.

For the most part it's ALWAYS better to have distributing PG. It's not necessarily about mimicking Nash, but rather having a actual PG who does what a PG is supposed to do, setup his teammates for excellent shots. When you do that in this offense it's clear that it's a high powered offense. We've only had halfway decent PG's and we avg'd 106 a game. Imagine how it would look with a pure PG?

You mean someone like Rondo who is pass first? Or do they need to actually be able to shoot as well?

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3/28/2011  11:47 AM
TheGame wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:
CashMoney wrote:I think the Knicks shoud buy out Billups contract and try to resign him at a better price. I also think that the Knicks should make a run at Aaron Brooks. A big can be acquird in the draft or maybe they can sign either Jordan or Dalembert. Things are hard to figure out without knowing what the cap is going to be.

We need a PG who can facilitate. Brooks is a scoring PG which is why he was traded.

Instead of trying to find someone to try to imitate Steve Nash maybe it is time to find someone different to coach the team. Trying to fit guys into roles that don't match their game and talent is not working.

Not trying to imitate Steve Nash. We need a guy who can get guys easy shot and make passes that lead to baskets.

Andre Miller would nice at this point.

Miller would definitely be someone to look at if you could sign him to a cheap multi-year deal (maybe starting at 5.5 mill).

Andre Miller is the wrong guy. I joined this site, 9 years ago, to talk about the knicks and the number one thing I wanted us to do was find a way to get Andre Miller. He was playing for the cavs and putting up 11 assists per game.

That was 9 freaking years ago and he was in his 2nd or 3rd season.

Even if he wasn't 34 years old, he still can't shoot the 3, and he can't guard the quicker guards. No, no and no.

He's not a good mid range shooter either.

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3/28/2011  1:55 PM
nixluva wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:
CashMoney wrote:I think the Knicks shoud buy out Billups contract and try to resign him at a better price. I also think that the Knicks should make a run at Aaron Brooks. A big can be acquird in the draft or maybe they can sign either Jordan or Dalembert. Things are hard to figure out without knowing what the cap is going to be.

We need a PG who can facilitate. Brooks is a scoring PG which is why he was traded.

Instead of trying to find someone to try to imitate Steve Nash maybe it is time to find someone different to coach the team. Trying to fit guys into roles that don't match their game and talent is not working.

For the most part it's ALWAYS better to have distributing PG. It's not necessarily about mimicking Nash, but rather having a actual PG who does what a PG is supposed to do, setup his teammates for excellent shots. When you do that in this offense it's clear that it's a high powered offense. We've only had halfway decent PG's and we avg'd 106 a game. Imagine how it would look with a pure PG?

WHo in your mind is a decent PG? Who would be obtainable and not a max type superstar player? A good system should be able to work without a superstar at every position.

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3/28/2011  2:20 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/28/2011  2:22 PM
We should try to make a serious run at Luke Ridnour. That's the point guard for our team. I'm telling you.

The guy is a selfless leader, he's a true point. It's exactly what MDA needs.

I don't know who we can offer though. There has to be a way.

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3/28/2011  9:52 PM
nykshaknbake wrote:
nixluva wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:
CashMoney wrote:I think the Knicks shoud buy out Billups contract and try to resign him at a better price. I also think that the Knicks should make a run at Aaron Brooks. A big can be acquird in the draft or maybe they can sign either Jordan or Dalembert. Things are hard to figure out without knowing what the cap is going to be.

We need a PG who can facilitate. Brooks is a scoring PG which is why he was traded.

Instead of trying to find someone to try to imitate Steve Nash maybe it is time to find someone different to coach the team. Trying to fit guys into roles that don't match their game and talent is not working.

For the most part it's ALWAYS better to have distributing PG. It's not necessarily about mimicking Nash, but rather having a actual PG who does what a PG is supposed to do, setup his teammates for excellent shots. When you do that in this offense it's clear that it's a high powered offense. We've only had halfway decent PG's and we avg'd 106 a game. Imagine how it would look with a pure PG?

WHo in your mind is a decent PG? Who would be obtainable and not a max type superstar player? A good system should be able to work without a superstar at every position.

Ridnour and Calderon are two decent options who would fit the system. Both contracts are pretty reasonable, it is just a matter of whether or not you want to be locked into them. Some will think Calderon is a bad deal, but considering the things he does well, he is pretty good value. He has poor-man's Nash ability on this team.

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3/28/2011  10:20 PM
orangeblobman wrote:We should try to make a serious run at Luke Ridnour. That's the point guard for our team. I'm telling you.

The guy is a selfless leader, he's a true point. It's exactly what MDA needs.

I don't know who we can offer though. There has to be a way.


This is a great option, probably one of the best. Hopefully Minn regains trust in Flynn, resigns Telfair, and remains hopeful that Rubio comes over so Ridnour becomes available. Not sure who we can trade, but our first round pick, Douglas, and Turiaf are all assets that could be used. Not sure if i would trade our first round pick for him, but he's a pretty good fit at PG, so i would have to consider a few things.
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3/28/2011  10:42 PM
Kemba Walker will be available

He is from The Bronx

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3/28/2011  10:44 PM
Luke is a good player, really good shooter, good passer, good pg. But he is a terrible defender and does not attack the rim.

I say no to him. I like TJ ford better. Dribble penetration is more important than shooting.

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3/28/2011  10:45 PM
Killa4luv wrote:Luke is a good player, really good shooter, good passer, good pg. But he is a terrible defender and does not attack the rim.

I say no to him. I like TJ ford better. Dribble penetration is more important than shooting.

Luke Ridnour is a nice backup and that is about it.

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3/28/2011  10:54 PM
misterearl wrote:Kemba Walker will be available

He is from The Bronx

He's basically a more electric version of Douglas.

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3/28/2011  11:06 PM
I am not ready yet to give up on one of the best leaders in the NBA, a finals mvp, a two time all defensive team player with the nickname Mister Big Shot. I think you give Chauncey a long look before you make a decision on a guy with a resume like his. Finals mvps play in San Antonio, LA, Miami and NY.
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3/28/2011  11:10 PM
I love Brandon Knight, though he may have played himself into the top ten in the draft over the weekend.

The draft seems like it is rich with PGs.

I like Billups, but I definitely don't want him here past next year and not sure I am sold on bringing him back for next season.

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