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Nalod
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3/27/2011  10:52 AM

Relates to marriage and perhaps moving a business practice from one firm to another......

"if you are happy enjoy the benefits of happiness"

"in pursuit of being HAPPIER you may loose what you already have"

"Then you won't be happy any more!"

After many years of Knick disasters I was very happy with this team. Chemistry was being built, we had yoots getting better all the time, cap flex, expirings, we had it all.

It was not championship contending yet because that takes time. There was also more changes to be made but the team was doing really well.

Then the Melo rumors came and the team was disrupted.

I like Melo, he is star. We were sold that Stars win.

Now Im not so happy anymore.

Perhaps in the future again we can have a bigger upside but I was happy and enjoying the team.

Im not watching this. I am a real fan.

Maybe Dolan has to know he can't count on all fans to be there all the time.

I feel bad for all the North Carolina knick fans that showed up last nite.

Im tired of arguing over coaching changes and laying blame. It is what it is until is isn't.

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Marv
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3/27/2011  11:08 AM
well, risks are important in life. as is change.

this particular one, at the moment, is playing out like crap.

but i think the reaction can be overgeneralized.

nu?

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3/27/2011  11:08 AM
Who is ever happy watching losing basketball regardless of the roster. Think back to the 99 season beafore the playoffs. I remember the excitment of landing Sprewell and Larry Johnson before the season started. Then, right before the playoffs, newpaper articles were ripping the team and calling for Van Gundys head. I remember vividly, listening to Francesca and Mad dogg calling for an overhauled roster. They said the pieces didn't fit, Ewing was done, Van Gundy should be fired, the Sprewell trade was horrible, etc. Fans were calling in, sounding a lot like the threads on this board.

Then they had the miracle playoff run. All of a sudden, Sprewell was no longer the coach choking thug, he was a fan favorite. Houston was no longer soft, but now he was clutch. Ewing was rejuvinated. VanGundy was no longer a clueless/uninnovative offensive coach nor was was he stubborn because he finally played Camby. All of a sudden, Larry Johnson wasn't too small to play in the post, now his heart was big enough, etc. I say all of that to say this, winning is the ultimate cure. Espcially winning when it matters which is during the playoffs.

I dont believe this team is quite as talented as the 99 team, and I'm not expecting a deep playoff run but winning a game or two in the playoffs against the Celts and extending them can go a long way. One clutch basket by Melo or Billups can go a long way to change the perception of these players in some peaoples minds. It wont change the minds of most, however, because its clear there are some posters here who already made up their minds not to like Melo regardless because we traded away thier favorite players.

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3/27/2011  11:30 AM    LAST EDITED: 3/27/2011  11:31 AM
Marv wrote:well, risks are important in life. as is change.

this particular one, at the moment, is playing out like crap.

but i think the reaction can be overgeneralized.

nu?

Marv, I get the trade and maybe its a once in a generational type of thing you have to jump on but at the same time I was thinking it was too soon to starphuch. I think a team should be further along in its formation and then adding a piece to that puzzle. In the end the Celts foray into the land of Starphuch worked because it enhanced Rondo and the role players.

This team is really back to square one but with two nice pieces.

At least if you gonna starphuch this the team should have sold in the guise to "underpromise and overdeliver".

Prepare the fans this can happen but this is about an opportunity to build.

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3/27/2011  11:34 AM
we only have the now, so its understandable we aren't happy

maybe Im crazy but this still has the potential of working out with the right pieces

those pieces, unfortunately, were traded to get the star

as Marv said, risks have to be taken in life. its just part of it

you can be happy now, but at some point you will want more and will have to take the risk of not being happy again

not taking a risk is a losing strategy, even if by taking it you immediately lose.

challenges, facing them and overcoming them are also part of happiness.

right now we just are in a terrible position to overcome them, as we can't improve the roster and have our backs against the wall with the playoffs looming.

its ok not being happy right now, but steps have to be taken to be happy again or else this risk will be worthless.

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3/27/2011  11:39 AM

I love the taking the risk.

How about waiting and doing deals based on what we want to do instead of chasing and overpaying.

Maybe Deron could have been a better fit? Maybe if you wait it will happen.

I think it was premature. Dolan was scared of Nets.

Fear of regret is no way to live or do business.

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3/27/2011  11:45 AM
Nalod wrote:
I love the taking the risk.

How about waiting and doing deals based on what we want to do instead of chasing and overpaying.

Maybe Deron could have been a better fit? Maybe if you wait it will happen.

I think it was premature. Dolan was scared of Nets.

Fear of regret is no way to live or do business.


taking risk is not problem, especially if the reward is huge.

Knicks could have signed melo in the off season.. It as up to melo

melo didn't give two shyt's about the knicks, their talent and cap flexibility

he wanted to get paid first, and come to the knicks second

he is a selfish prick

so we took a risk we really didn't have to, thanks to melo and dolan


Eff both of them

Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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3/27/2011  11:49 AM
Nalod wrote:
Marv wrote:well, risks are important in life. as is change.

this particular one, at the moment, is playing out like crap.

but i think the reaction can be overgeneralized.

nu?

Marv, I get the trade and maybe its a once in a generational type of thing you have to jump on but at the same time I was thinking it was too soon to starphuch. I think a team should be further along in its formation and then adding a piece to that puzzle. In the end the Celts foray into the land of Starphuch worked because it enhanced Rondo and the role players.

This team is really back to square one but with two nice pieces.

At least if you gonna starphuch this the team should have sold in the guise to "underpromise and overdeliver".

Prepare the fans this can happen but this is about an opportunity to build.

When they say there isn't time for patience in NY, unfortunately they mean it. Im sure many in the organization wanted to wait and maybe get that star piece somewhere down the road. But the opportunity, it seems, was too good for others to pass up. Can't really blame them because after our decade-long terrible play, the chance of having two stars seems too good to pass up.

At the moment, it looked like it was Melo or bust for the next decade. We would have Amar'e and no real second piece to contend. The Celtics had their big four and won. The Heat had just formed their big three and suddenly, without them winning anything, it became the blueprint for greatness. We had many good pieces but we really didn't appreciate them because half of them were found in the past offseason and the others had been part of our losing. We were finally playing decent and even if they had trouble adjusting the new team, it couldn't go that wrong.

Only it went wrong. The team hasn't learned the system and look terrible. When you eat your food and it tastes horrible, you look around to see if others are having as hard a time as you. So you look at Denver and they are having a party. Now you search for Minnesota and they too are having a blast. And now you are miserable. This move just went beyond the worst case scenario.

Now I really believe we have hit rock bottom. Don't know when or how, but things will improve because there is no way to go but up. Hopefully Walsh stays and can work his magic as he did last offseason. Its not a lost cause, yet.

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3/27/2011  12:00 PM

My pro MDA stance is that if you a plan, then don't panic.

I think its incomplete roster so you have a plan.

Reaction to fire the coach after a bad 10 game stretch is crazy.

Ok, the trade is done. Not my preference but its done.

Stay with the plan. Don't let 10 games panic into dumb moves.

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3/27/2011  12:01 PM
Nalod wrote:
I love the taking the risk.

How about waiting and doing deals based on what we want to do instead of chasing and overpaying.

Maybe Deron could have been a better fit? Maybe if you wait it will happen.

I think it was premature. Dolan was scared of Nets.

Fear of regret is no way to live or do business.

We were played by everybody. Simple as that.

Now everybody really knows our ultimate weakness: the power of the media.

Denver played us with their many trade options. The Nets played us to give up everything. Melo played us by neglecting his leverage and being willing to accept a trade to New Jersey. Our greed played us into believing this was our only route for us to be relevant again.

I think the transition with Deron (and probably a few of our assets, since I doubt the Jazz would've played us and demanded the King's ransom Denver did) would've been less painful, but that is water under the bridge.

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3/27/2011  12:45 PM
Nalod wrote:
My pro MDA stance is that if you a plan, then don't panic.

I think its incomplete roster so you have a plan.

Reaction to fire the coach after a bad 10 game stretch is crazy.

Ok, the trade is done. Not my preference but its done.

Stay with the plan. Don't let 10 games panic into dumb moves.

I don't really know what to think in terms of the coach.

He was easier to deal with when we had our young roster that was buying into his plan.

Defense was always gonna be a hot topic, and the center was going to be an issue, but we were winning again.

We still didn't look like we were gonna be a contender anytime soon, but we were making progress.

But now, after the trade, everything looks different.

Our main pieces, especially Melo, doesn't look fit for the system.

Our defensive issues have been magnified. The issue of the big men has also expanded.

The system has again proved to be hard to learn. After 19 games, it doesn't look like we are anywhere closer to getting it right, while other teams with other systems have their new players fit in them.

That also makes you wonder, at least to me, if the system is worth it. When working, it is amazing. But it isn't a consistent system and it needs certain players and a certain play that some still argue if it can win a championship against teams with traditional lineups and old-fashioned defensive styles.

For this team to be fit for D'Antoni, if you still want to go that route, we have to make a lot of player transactions.

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