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How Many 6'11 Yoots Must The Knicks Diss Before A Pattern Emerges?
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misterearl
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3/25/2011  7:37 AM    LAST EDITED: 3/25/2011  8:38 AM
First there was 6'11 Channing Frye. He would be perfect right now. The outside range he discovered in Phoenix as three point specialist would spread the floor and have the opposite effect of teams ignoring Jared Jeffries like a buck-toothed step cousin. Then there was Jordan Hill. He appeared kinda jumpy and frantic, but for other players that is described as "high energy." He can, at least, make a layup.

Then there was Darko. Never known for his personality, his desire to play basketball was already fragile when he arrived in New York and everyone knew it. What happened? It got worse. He went from discouraged to locker room cancer. He had to go. Now he starts.

Which brings us to Anthony Randolph. 21 years old and just as impressionable. Fragile and in need of direction and SUPPORT. Something to build his confidence and get the crowd in his favor. In New York people chant for Roger Mason Jr. Randolph was poised to be a crowd favorite because he was a just a kid and he was ours. A 6'11 gazelle with ability to handle off the dribble. How much more do you need to work with? With that skill set I would lock him in the gym AGAINST his will and MAKE him an all star. No meals. No TV. No nothing. Just play ball until you drop.

Where was the extra support from the coaching staff? Where was the infusion of inspiration and guidance? Something is missing. Either Herb Williams is simply too passive and only cares about his paycheck, or Mike D'Antoni and his brother have an insidious phobia against tall guys.

No matter what the reason, glancing at the Wolves box score sucks.

I miss Timofey Mozgov.

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3/25/2011  9:57 AM
Earl I gotta ask. What exactly did all these young guys amount to? Frye has nothing to do with this regime, Hill is battling Patterson for time, and Randolph I expected. NY is high pressure and Randolph needs no pressure. Look it up. I said he would blow up -if you consider this blowing up- in Jinny. I wouldn't expect many wins though.

The only one that may hurt is Moz

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3/25/2011  10:30 AM
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3/25/2011  10:30 AM
joec32033 wrote:Earl I gotta ask. What exactly did all these young guys amount to? Frye has nothing to do with this regime, Hill is battling Patterson for time, and Randolph I expected. NY is high pressure and Randolph needs no pressure. Look it up. I said he would blow up -if you consider this blowing up- in Jinny. I wouldn't expect many wins though.

The only one that may hurt is Moz

This is true, Anthony Randolph can be a great player on a losing team with no pressure and zero expectations, and compared to Darko and Hill that's saying something!

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3/25/2011  10:32 AM
The last thing the Knicks need is a 6'11 jump shooter. They need a 6'11 rebounder who plays defense so Frye wouldn't be a great fit. We already have a guy that shoot's 3's coming off the bench. Darko admitted that he didn't try hard while in New York and slacked off. The jury is still out on AR but to me, there has to be something about this kid that isn't right. For someone with loads of talent he's already been dumped by 2 teams and putting up numbers for a crap team doesn't mean much especially when their best player isn't playing.
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3/25/2011  12:23 PM
Coaches in Ny get fired every other week. They don't have the luxury to give young idiots playing time so that they can develop. Its a product of the fans, media and ownership.
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3/25/2011  2:55 PM
Joec - read the post again please. It is not about "regime". It is about continuity
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3/25/2011  4:12 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/25/2011  4:13 PM
CashMoney- you ever consider that at 21 years old not everyone has it all figured out?

I'll take Randolph's game over Jared Jefferies any day of the week, and twice on Sunday.

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3/25/2011  4:19 PM
misterearl wrote:CashMoney- you ever consider that at 21 years old not everyone has it all figured out?

I'll take Randolph's game over Jared Jefferies any day of the week, and twice on Sunday.

Of course but 2 teams thus far have decided they are not willing to wait for him to figure it out. I highly doubt JJ will be here next season.

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3/25/2011  4:42 PM
CashMoney wrote:
misterearl wrote:CashMoney- you ever consider that at 21 years old not everyone has it all figured out?

I'll take Randolph's game over Jared Jefferies any day of the week, and twice on Sunday.

Of course but 2 teams thus far have decided they are not willing to wait for him to figure it out. I highly doubt JJ will be here next season.

I would frame it differently: 2 teams had trades to make and AR moving on happen to be a by-product of trade, and as an aside, he didn't show enough while he was part of previous teams.

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3/25/2011  4:58 PM
martin wrote:
CashMoney wrote:
misterearl wrote:CashMoney- you ever consider that at 21 years old not everyone has it all figured out?

I'll take Randolph's game over Jared Jefferies any day of the week, and twice on Sunday.

Of course but 2 teams thus far have decided they are not willing to wait for him to figure it out. I highly doubt JJ will be here next season.

I would frame it differently: 2 teams had trades to make and AR moving on happen to be a by-product of trade, and as an aside, he didn't show enough while he was part of previous teams.

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In one night of basketball Anthony Randolph produced more points (31) than Jared Jerrfies combined totals for Knicks in 13 games (19)

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3/25/2011  5:01 PM
misterearl wrote:
martin wrote:
CashMoney wrote:
misterearl wrote:CashMoney- you ever consider that at 21 years old not everyone has it all figured out?

I'll take Randolph's game over Jared Jefferies any day of the week, and twice on Sunday.

Of course but 2 teams thus far have decided they are not willing to wait for him to figure it out. I highly doubt JJ will be here next season.

I would frame it differently: 2 teams had trades to make and AR moving on happen to be a by-product of trade, and as an aside, he didn't show enough while he was part of previous teams.

Showtime.

In one night of basketball Anthony Randolph produced more points (31) than Jared Jerrfies combined totals for Knicks in 13 games (19)

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3/25/2011  5:04 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/25/2011  5:04 PM
before the season i wanted anthony randolph to be our starting "center" i was waaaaaay off.
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3/25/2011  5:22 PM
The player this team needs is a kid that has the size and toughness, but also a decent offensive game that would allow him to stay on the floor. AR has talent, but I fear that he just didn't have the toughness. So many players come to NY and wilt under the spotlight. In all sports we've seen this. This city isn't for everyone. It's like Bosh. I don't think NY is a good fit for him. There's a kid out there that has the right game and makeup for this team, we just have to find him. We need a new age Oakley.
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3/25/2011  5:27 PM
nixluva wrote:The player this team needs is a kid that has the size and toughness, but also a decent offensive game that would allow him to stay on the floor. AR has talent, but I fear that he just didn't have the toughness. So many players come to NY and wilt under the spotlight. In all sports we've seen this. This city isn't for everyone. It's like Bosh. I don't think NY is a good fit for him. There's a kid out there that has the right game and makeup for this team, we just have to find him. We need a new age Oakley.

WhachootalkinboutWillis?

You sound like you are talking about Arizona's Derrick Williams, who is a first cousin (metaphorically speaking of course) of Wilson Chandler.

Toughness?

I'd settle for 7-8 rebounds and 15 points.

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3/25/2011  6:31 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/25/2011  6:32 PM
nixluva wrote:The player this team needs is a kid that has the size and toughness, but also a decent offensive game that would allow him to stay on the floor. AR has talent, but I fear that he just didn't have the toughness. So many players come to NY and wilt under the spotlight. In all sports we've seen this. This city isn't for everyone. It's like Bosh. I don't think NY is a good fit for him. There's a kid out there that has the right game and makeup for this team, we just have to find him. We need a new age Oakley.


His name is Reggie Evans and he's short enough for D'Antoni to consider. I'd also be happy with Dalembert. Anyway we can get our hands on either of these guys this offseason even with the impending new CBA.

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3/25/2011  6:41 PM
It is a shame this keeps happening. The other night someone posted something about buying a pick to draft the next Marcus Camby. Why? That guy is in MInny now because the coach wouldn't play him or work with him. Until D'Antoni is gone it is almost useless to bring in anyone over 6'9" unless they are a finesse player that shoots the three.
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3/25/2011  7:00 PM
CrushAlot wrote:It is a shame this keeps happening. The other night someone posted something about buying a pick to draft the next Marcus Camby. Why? That guy is in MInny now because the coach wouldn't play him or work with him. Until D'Antoni is gone it is almost useless to bring in anyone over 6'9" unless they are a finesse player that shoots the three.

Except if their name is Mozgov, Turiaf, or Jefferies. Or Amare. Or Kurt Thomas.

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3/25/2011  7:00 PM
CrushAlot wrote:It is a shame this keeps happening. The other night someone posted something about buying a pick to draft the next Marcus Camby. Why? That guy is in MInny now because the coach wouldn't play him or work with him. Until D'Antoni is gone it is almost useless to bring in anyone over 6'9" unless they are a finesse player that shoots the three.

but when he played he didnt play well. there are reports about lack of focus. his body language was always depressing.

i argue though that maybe he wasnt a throw-in in this trade, maybe he was a necessary component. to get minny to take curry's contract we had to give up an asset.

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3/25/2011  7:06 PM
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joec32033 wrote:Earl I gotta ask. What exactly did all these young guys amount to? Frye has nothing to do with this regime, Hill is battling Patterson for time, and Randolph I expected. NY is high pressure and Randolph needs no pressure. Look it up. I said he would blow up -if you consider this blowing up- in Jinny. I wouldn't expect many wins though.

The only one that may hurt is Moz

This is true, Anthony Randolph can be a great player on a losing team with no pressure and zero expectations, and compared to Darko and Hill that's saying something!

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We were a loosing team and he still got no burn. If he would have played more and we built him up his trade value would have been better. Let's go get Chandler back. I don't think that Chandler would want to play for D'Antoni and also Tony Douglas would not want to play for Mike D.

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