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Chris Dukie Face Duhon

In an extremely critical game heading into a playoff stretch

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D'AnToni can't find a way to play any combination of these players(Shelden/Brown/Carter) because obviously we're trying to win games(although losing at a rapid alarming rate...(7-10 since trade)) but SVG and Magic aren't and the players ahead of them are clearly head and shoulders better...

Very Interesting

martin wrote:crap thread, crap initial post.

Clark doesn't really play. Go look at the game logs.

And Duhon is only playing cause Reddick is hurt and Gilbert sucks.

Go look it up.

Clark doesn't have a 90% DNP to 10% games played ratio like Brown. Does Clark get DNP'd? Yes! The reason he got meaningful minutes in yesterday's game is because SVG has developed some small level of trust in him by playing him situationally since acquiring him. It will earn Clark minutes again at some point sooner than later. You can also argue since the trade Orlando made, they improved some with the players SVG has gone with. Meanwhile we haven't, we've regressed and our Alpha's are chirping in the media about lack of support from the role players/bench.

I concur Gilbert is a role player who's becoming bad at being a role player although he made the most of his minutes yesterday

Do you concur Jeffries suck?

If Jeffries sucks and Amar'e is worn down/tired......why haven't we seen more of Williams/Brown?

martin wrote:

Juice wrote:

martin wrote:crap thread, crap initial post.

Clark doesn't really play. Go look at the game logs.

And Duhon is only playing cause Reddick is hurt and Gilbert sucks.

Go look it up.

Clark doesn't have a 90% DNP to 10% games played ratio like Brown. Does Clark get DNP'd? Yes! The reason he got meaningful minutes in yesterday's game is because SVG has developed some small level of trust in him by playing him situationally since acquiring him. It will earn Clark minutes again at some point sooner than later. You can also argue since the trade Orlando made, they improved some with the players SVG has gone with. Meanwhile we haven't, we've regressed and our Alpha's are chirping in the media about lack of support from the role players/bench.

Clark got minutes cause Bass went down with injury.

There's some truth to this although he got minutes in Jaunuary(3gms 13/18/18(regular) and 3gms 8/7/8(blowouts)) before Bass went down in February. He still finds ways to get him in there even after Bass' return

Turiaf/Amar'e are dinged up and I have suspicion maybe even Effries isn't 100%, so cut back on a couple of these guys and play some bench guys.....

Walker is 23
Brown is 23
Balkman 26
Shelden 27

Are any of these guys going to be around next year or not?

Meanwhile we're playing

Mason is 30
Williams is 25
Effries is 29
Turiaf is 28

If you had these 2 pair of 4's play against each other I'm not so sure who wins. I think we know what the vet group can give us, should we retain them but what about the younger guys(SANS Walker)? You could sub him out with Rautins although he'd be 3rd and maybe 4rth on a depth chart regardless. Maybe eliminate Balkman too as he was the first to go when D'AnToni was hired.

I feel Walker can hit 3's like Mason and more athletic

I feel Brown can bring what Williams brings except inside the arc

I feel Balkman can draw charges and be a liability on offense like Effries

I feel Shelden can do what Turiaf can do as he was a starter for Denver for a time this season

The only possible clear advantage I see is Williams over Brown with the 3pt ball but the rotation can be divid in such a way the lack of skillset is compensated elsewhere.

martin wrote:Juice, here is the short of it: The Knicks' regular rotation guys still can't get on the same page. Starters: C (Turiaf, Jefferies), Amare, Melo, Billups, Fields; bench: TD, Shawne.

What you are asking is to throw even more uncertainty into an uncertain situation. Do you think that helps or hurts trying to get the main guys in to a flow?

Mason is hitting shots and is decent in a team defense sense, perhaps Walker is a better rebounder and can put the ball on the floor more, but I count these 2 guys as a wash (and note Walker has been hurt recently too).

What you are hoping and praying is that Brown, Balkman, Shelden, all dudes who have either proven they suck in the league (Balk, Shelden) or is a 2nd year, 2nd round pick (Brown) will suddenly wake up and both make a difference on a team and be the magic elixir to the Knicks' problems.

< 1% chance they would and 99% chance they won't.

IMHO, the main 8-9 guys need even more time on the court together, with all due consideration of minutes and general fatigue with a guy like Amare. Hey, if Amare is toast for the next week and the general consensus is that Turiaf and JJ are good for 10-20 minutes each, bring on Brown. Until then, Knicks gotta keep plugging away.

I wouldn't do a full swap in rotation. Funny thing is Mason out of the blue got the call, while Walker got his card pulled. That was random/arbitrary as it gets considering Mason's less than pedestrian playing time up to that point. Mason proved he could reach back in the well and hit a few jumpers in a couple games, even though he is by no means a long term solution. Mason was pretty much the only change out of guys he was regularly using. So I'm asking start with axing Effries(who was melting away in Houston much like Balk/Shelden) first, and go from there. I'm more than comfortable giving Shelden a look for initial replacement. I copped to Balkman as being a throwaway, but he is under contract and he might have a well like Mason where he can make game changing defensive plays like his first year here. There's nothing which suggest we have 8-9 set in stone rotating players...

Let's hope Amar'e is getting IVs of 8-Hour Energy

Martin who would you like to see back next year outside the starters if any?

Juice wrote:Martin who would you like to see back next year outside the starters if any?

Amare, Melo, Turiaf (player option), Fields, TD, Shawne, AC for sure. And AC only if he wants to IMHO, but prob go back to Denver where his family is if the Nuggets will have him.

Billups stays if he does well in playoffs, gone if he does really poorly; big gray area if his performance is mediocre.

I would say that JJ will be a 13/14 man. Probably Rautins will be 15th man. Brown will be back if his contract is a team guarantee that is low.

Balk is here only cause of his contract.

Who is left from current crew? Sheldon, Mason, Walker? Don't see any of them coming back.

Those are my guesses at what will happen, not who I would like to see back.