Your comparing a bunch of teenagers on scholorships to guys making millions in the NBA?

nykshaknbake wrote:Fish we've been through this before. Millions don't motivate a player to play better. They get the millions after playing well and it's doubly true if themoney is guaranteed. On this team with all the underachievers we've had u need proof of this?

fishmike wrote:reporter: Carmello, seemed Pierce got the best of you late
Melo: I wasnt that motivated... ask Mike in the post game conference

Your comparing a bunch of teenagers on scholorships to guys making millions in the NBA?

Melo told us he wasn't motivated. The celtics weren't motivated in the 1st half. Coach motivated them in the 2nd half while ours didn't.

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nykshaknbake wrote:Fish we've been through this before. Millions don't motivate a player to play better. They get the millions after playing well and it's doubly true if themoney is guaranteed. On this team with all the underachievers we've had u need proof of this?

fishmike wrote:reporter: Carmello, seemed Pierce got the best of you late
Melo: I wasnt that motivated... ask Mike in the post game conference

Your comparing a bunch of teenagers on scholorships to guys making millions in the NBA?

and you think a coach is fixing that? Where you a fan when Larry Brown was here? Whoever has a bigger juice card wins.

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SupremeCommander wrote:Coach John Wooden is the best coach in the history of the game IMHO. He preached atention to detail. That little things done well led to great big things. When players don't have their hands up right, don't box out, etc., that's on the coach. That stuff doesn't fly if their is accountability for failing to do so.

thats all great, but we are past that. We arent getting a coach who's going to stress how to box out and move their feet on defense. Does any NBA coach really do that?

I completely disagree. You are never past that.

MDA is the PERFECT coach for Melo. Melo has LOUSY offensive habits. MDA is an offensive genious and I have no doubt if Melo played humble and said "coach.. what do I gotta do" that by this time next year 1) the Knicks would be on pace to win 50 games and 2) Melo would be getting 30ppg on 48% shooting and 3) everyone would be happy. Maybe we even have a good draft and TMS and Briggs can hug it out

I am not going to pass judgement yet but, yes, there have been some terrible shots forced up by Melo. What remains to be seen is if this is due to inexperience playing with the guys he's playing with, or due to his career experience. We shall see.

SupremeCommander wrote:and fishy, deep breaths man. this is bad but not as bad as the end of the Giants season.

I was trying to forever erase the Giants meltdown from my memory.

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fishmike wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:Coach John Wooden is the best coach in the history of the game IMHO. He preached atention to detail. That little things done well led to great big things. When players don't have their hands up right, don't box out, etc., that's on the coach. That stuff doesn't fly if their is accountability for failing to do so.

thats all great, but we are past that. We arent getting a coach who's going to stress how to box out and move their feet on defense. Does any NBA coach really do that?

I completely disagree. You are never past that.

MDA is the PERFECT coach for Melo. Melo has LOUSY offensive habits. MDA is an offensive genious and I have no doubt if Melo played humble and said "coach.. what do I gotta do" that by this time next year 1) the Knicks would be on pace to win 50 games and 2) Melo would be getting 30ppg on 48% shooting and 3) everyone would be happy. Maybe we even have a good draft and TMS and Briggs can hug it out

I am not going to pass judgement yet but, yes, there have been some terrible shots forced up by Melo. What remains to be seen is if this is due to inexperience playing with the guys he's playing with, or due to his career experience. We shall see.

I'm not worried about MElo's bad shots. He will get it. I'm worried about him cracking, about the soft body, the 4th qtr fatigue, etc He doesnt strike me as mentally strong. He's a game away from getting booed at the garden and I dont know if he can take that. We need him to be the player we payed through the roof for.

UG.. Giants. I worked hard to forget that. Lot of braincells killeed there. Im praying for a healthy Knicks team to play ANYONE but Boston in round 1

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nykshaknbake wrote:A good coach can make a huge difference. Otherwise you wouldn't pay millions for the good ones. Two examples as above. LB is a great coach but was involved and invested in a power struggle when here than the team.

Melo told us he wasn't motivated. The celtics weren't motivated in the 1st half. Coach motivated them in the 2nd half while ours didn't.

fishmike wrote:

nykshaknbake wrote:Fish we've been through this before. Millions don't motivate a player to play better. They get the millions after playing well and it's doubly true if themoney is guaranteed. On this team with all the underachievers we've had u need proof of this?

fishmike wrote:reporter: Carmello, seemed Pierce got the best of you late
Melo: I wasnt that motivated... ask Mike in the post game conference

Your comparing a bunch of teenagers on scholorships to guys making millions in the NBA?

and you think a coach is fixing that? Where you a fan when Larry Brown was here? Whoever has a bigger juice card wins.

thats an example of good coaching, not a good coach vs a bad coach. MDA is a good coach. Did Doc Rivers say the right things that got under the Cs skin? Sure. I can list about 20 things similar MDA has done in his time here.. even just this year. Remember the Melo trade only happens because MDA has our team playing well and our young players looking very good. Did Gallo shoot fewer 3s and about 5x as many FTs? Did Amare stop trying to do too much?

shaknbake.. your 100% right. Doc pushed the right button last night. Right now MDA has a BIG player and is under enormous pressure to deal with a star player he doesnt know and the Knicks are losing a lot of games. Can you imagine if MDA called Melo soft? Dude would tune him out and get him fired, etc etc

What your saying is fair, but remember Doc Rivers was run out Orlando after almost winning COY and TMac quit on him, etc etc

Doc also got OLDER veteran players willing to sacrifice to win a title together. KG was always a defensive monster, but Pierce was only OK and Ray Allen kind of like Allan Houston, smart in a system but hardly lock down players. I would say Amare is, but is Melo at the same point as KG, Pierce and Ray? Is he ready to accept he needs to be led? Or does he still think he's the special kid who won a title in one year for the Orange? Cause THAT guy is going to wait for the team to adjust to HIM, not vice versa.

The thing is that MDA is not a good coach. We are consistently unprepared, unmotivated and unale to adjust to changing situations. We are no good in crunch time. MDA may have had a few moments but overall it's been miserable. Our team was not playing good leading up to the trade. Since the hot streak early in the season we were 5 games under 0.500. The players we gave up were looking fair. They looked very inconsistent, just like last season. Were Gallos's stats different than last? I compared them mid season and they were nearly identical. This is all with a MVP candidate joining the fray in the offseason. (Yes Stat was playing like an MVP last season.)

If the coach is afraid of getting fired and won't coach then he shouldn't be here. It's a risk the players will turn on you but it's cowardly to just plod along, kiss ass and hope they won't hate you. Melo just got here and I don't think he'd start his tenure here trying to be like Starbury. Additionally we've been underprepared and bad defensively before we had stars that apparently intimidate our good coach, so I'm not sure that's the issue.