Marv wrote:it's everybody but melo's fault. you've already convinced us of that.

OK, so Mello drops 30 and STAT drops 30. Billups adds another 20 = 80 points. I'm not complaining about TD, I think he's stepped up his game big time since the trade. It just seems that if he has an off game the Knicks chances to win aren't as great much like when Gallo had an off game.

You do realize that basketball is a team game, right?

CashMoney wrote:

Marv wrote:it's everybody but melo's fault. you've already convinced us of that.

OK, so Mello drops 30 and STAT drops 30. Billups adds another 20 = 80 points. I'm not complaining about TD, I think he's stepped up his game big time since the trade. It just seems that if he has an off game the Knicks chances to win aren't as great much like when Gallo had an off game.

You do realize that basketball is a team game, right?

When Amare struggled and averaged like 5 TOs a game and the Knicks were 3-8 or whatever people asked the same questions. Then Amare put the team on his shoulders, got more guys involved and led by example. Thats what you expect of a $100mm man. He's lived up to expectations. Surely you understand this concept?

CashMoney wrote:

Marv wrote:it's everybody but melo's fault. you've already convinced us of that.

OK, so Mello drops 30 and STAT drops 30. Billups adds another 20 = 80 points. I'm not complaining about TD, I think he's stepped up his game big time since the trade. It just seems that if he has an off game the Knicks chances to win aren't as great much like when Gallo had an off game.

You do realize that basketball is a team game, right?

I think you just answered the question in your original post.

It seems to me that when TD has an off game the Knicks chances get slimmer. Is it just me or does anyone else see the same thing?

fishmike wrote:

CashMoney wrote:

Marv wrote:it's everybody but melo's fault. you've already convinced us of that.

OK, so Mello drops 30 and STAT drops 30. Billups adds another 20 = 80 points. I'm not complaining about TD, I think he's stepped up his game big time since the trade. It just seems that if he has an off game the Knicks chances to win aren't as great much like when Gallo had an off game.

You do realize that basketball is a team game, right?

yes.. and TD was what? The 30th pick in the draft making what $1mm a year? If we traded half the roster for TD and payed him $20mm the expections would be different.

When Amare struggled and averaged like 5 TOs a game and the Knicks were 3-8 or whatever people asked the same questions. Then Amare put the team on his shoulders, got more guys involved and led by example. Thats what you expect of a $100mm man. He's lived up to expectations. Surely you understand this concept?

Who is talking about Melo? Last time I check TD was part of the team. I guess since Landry was picked in the second round and make $400K he can never become an integral part of the team (Oh wait, he is). All I'm saying is that if TD has a bad game the chance the Knicks win the game is less than if he had a good game much like when Gallo was here.

I know you don't like Melo, feel the Knicks gave up too much but move on already. I'm talking abouyt TD's importance to the team and you want to talk Melo? C'mon there are tons of threads on the dude already.

CashMoney wrote:

fishmike wrote:

CashMoney wrote:

Marv wrote:it's everybody but melo's fault. you've already convinced us of that.

OK, so Mello drops 30 and STAT drops 30. Billups adds another 20 = 80 points. I'm not complaining about TD, I think he's stepped up his game big time since the trade. It just seems that if he has an off game the Knicks chances to win aren't as great much like when Gallo had an off game.

You do realize that basketball is a team game, right?

yes.. and TD was what? The 30th pick in the draft making what $1mm a year? If we traded half the roster for TD and payed him $20mm the expections would be different.

When Amare struggled and averaged like 5 TOs a game and the Knicks were 3-8 or whatever people asked the same questions. Then Amare put the team on his shoulders, got more guys involved and led by example. Thats what you expect of a $100mm man. He's lived up to expectations. Surely you understand this concept?

Who is talking about Melo? Last time I check TD was part of the team. I guess since Landry was picked in the second round and make $400K he can never become an integral part of the team (Oh wait, he is). All I'm saying is that if TD has a bad game the chance the Knicks win the game is less than if he had a good game much like when Gallo was here.

I know you don't like Melo, feel the Knicks gave up too much but move on already. I'm talking abouyt TD's importance to the team and you want to talk Melo? C'mon there are tons of threads on the dude already.

Should I have the same expectations of Sergio Mitre and AJ Burnett? No. AJ was paid $80mm to be a stud. Different expectations.

Same reason a lot of people around rode Gallo like a dog. He was a lottery pick, so there are higher expectations. His talent level was supposed to be higher than the other guys.

Right now the reason the Knicks are playing like crap is 1) Billups and 1a) Melo.

These are the big money guys. When people say "BIG 3" they arent talking about TD, Fields and JJ. These are the guys that need to lead, hit the big shots, guard the stars during crunch time, bla bla bla... they are failing right now.

Do NOT confuse my OBSERVATIONS as my OPINIONS.

I do NOT want Melo or Billups to fail here. I want what every KNick fan wants. I love this team and want Melo to kick ass and take names. Its just not happening and its deflating to watch. The fact that Denver is rolling over good teams and their fans are in love with our old players is just salt in a wound

NYKBocker wrote:Only if TD can be a centerpiece to a blockbuster trade to bring in Deron or CP3.

He doesn't earn enough for that. That's what we will use Billups' nearly $15mil expiring to accomplish.

fishmike wrote:

CashMoney wrote:

fishmike wrote:

CashMoney wrote:

Marv wrote:it's everybody but melo's fault. you've already convinced us of that.

OK, so Mello drops 30 and STAT drops 30. Billups adds another 20 = 80 points. I'm not complaining about TD, I think he's stepped up his game big time since the trade. It just seems that if he has an off game the Knicks chances to win aren't as great much like when Gallo had an off game.

You do realize that basketball is a team game, right?

yes.. and TD was what? The 30th pick in the draft making what $1mm a year? If we traded half the roster for TD and payed him $20mm the expections would be different.

When Amare struggled and averaged like 5 TOs a game and the Knicks were 3-8 or whatever people asked the same questions. Then Amare put the team on his shoulders, got more guys involved and led by example. Thats what you expect of a $100mm man. He's lived up to expectations. Surely you understand this concept?

Who is talking about Melo? Last time I check TD was part of the team. I guess since Landry was picked in the second round and make $400K he can never become an integral part of the team (Oh wait, he is). All I'm saying is that if TD has a bad game the chance the Knicks win the game is less than if he had a good game much like when Gallo was here.

I know you don't like Melo, feel the Knicks gave up too much but move on already. I'm talking abouyt TD's importance to the team and you want to talk Melo? C'mon there are tons of threads on the dude already.

actually I like Melo and I root for him. I root for every Knick. Only guy I couldnt root for was Marbury. Now I HATE the trade that got Melo here, but I watch the Knicks because I love the team.

Should I have the same expectations of Sergio Mitre and AJ Burnett? No. AJ was paid $80mm to be a stud. Different expectations.

Same reason a lot of people around rode Gallo like a dog. He was a lottery pick, so there are higher expectations. His talent level was supposed to be higher than the other guys.

Right now the reason the Knicks are playing like crap is 1) Billups and 1a) Melo.

These are the big money guys. When people say "BIG 3" they arent talking about TD, Fields and JJ. These are the guys that need to lead, hit the big shots, guard the stars during crunch time, bla bla bla... they are failing right now.

Do NOT confuse my OBSERVATIONS as my OPINIONS.

I do NOT want Melo or Billups to fail here. I want what every KNick fan wants. I love this team and want Melo to kick ass and take names. Its just not happening and its deflating to watch. The fact that Denver is rolling over good teams and their fans are in love with our old players is just salt in a wound

All I'm saying it that it's a work in progress and it's just driving me nuts that so many are hating on the team right now. Yeah they should be playing better but it's also not as bad as most make it seem. Losing to the Cavs, Pacers twice, Pistons and Bucks will do that. They've also had some bright spots as well. I think Billups getting hurt against the Magic has a lot to do with it but it may be just me as TD played out of his mind during that stretch.

There's 14 games left with the only games that should be tough are 2 against Orlando and the last 2 games of the season against the Celts and Bulls. I'll go out on a limb and say that anything less than 9-5 the rest of the way is unacceptable. This team is better than 7-9, they need to get their act together and I think they will.

SupremeCommander wrote:

CashMoney wrote:

fishmike wrote:

CashMoney wrote:

fishmike wrote:

CashMoney wrote:

Marv wrote:it's everybody but melo's fault. you've already convinced us of that.

OK, so Mello drops 30 and STAT drops 30. Billups adds another 20 = 80 points. I'm not complaining about TD, I think he's stepped up his game big time since the trade. It just seems that if he has an off game the Knicks chances to win aren't as great much like when Gallo had an off game.

You do realize that basketball is a team game, right?

yes.. and TD was what? The 30th pick in the draft making what $1mm a year? If we traded half the roster for TD and payed him $20mm the expections would be different.

When Amare struggled and averaged like 5 TOs a game and the Knicks were 3-8 or whatever people asked the same questions. Then Amare put the team on his shoulders, got more guys involved and led by example. Thats what you expect of a $100mm man. He's lived up to expectations. Surely you understand this concept?

Who is talking about Melo? Last time I check TD was part of the team. I guess since Landry was picked in the second round and make $400K he can never become an integral part of the team (Oh wait, he is). All I'm saying is that if TD has a bad game the chance the Knicks win the game is less than if he had a good game much like when Gallo was here.

I know you don't like Melo, feel the Knicks gave up too much but move on already. I'm talking abouyt TD's importance to the team and you want to talk Melo? C'mon there are tons of threads on the dude already.

actually I like Melo and I root for him. I root for every Knick. Only guy I couldnt root for was Marbury. Now I HATE the trade that got Melo here, but I watch the Knicks because I love the team.

Should I have the same expectations of Sergio Mitre and AJ Burnett? No. AJ was paid $80mm to be a stud. Different expectations.

Same reason a lot of people around rode Gallo like a dog. He was a lottery pick, so there are higher expectations. His talent level was supposed to be higher than the other guys.

Right now the reason the Knicks are playing like crap is 1) Billups and 1a) Melo.

These are the big money guys. When people say "BIG 3" they arent talking about TD, Fields and JJ. These are the guys that need to lead, hit the big shots, guard the stars during crunch time, bla bla bla... they are failing right now.

Do NOT confuse my OBSERVATIONS as my OPINIONS.

I do NOT want Melo or Billups to fail here. I want what every KNick fan wants. I love this team and want Melo to kick ass and take names. Its just not happening and its deflating to watch. The fact that Denver is rolling over good teams and their fans are in love with our old players is just salt in a wound

All I'm saying it that it's a work in progress and it's just driving me nuts that so many are hating on the team right now. Yeah they should be playing better but it's also not as bad as most make it seem. Losing to the Cavs, Pacers twice, Pistons and Bucks will do that. They've also had some bright spots as well. I think Billups getting hurt against the Magic has a lot to do with it but it may be just me as TD played out of his mind during that stretch.

There's 14 games left with the only games that should be tough are 2 against Orlando and the last 2 games of the season against the Celts and Bulls. I'll go out on a limb and say that anything less than 9-5 the rest of the way is unacceptable. This team is better than 7-9, they need to get their act together and I think they will.

right. I'm pissed as hell with this "flick the switch" mentality, but we've seen some more than decent potential.

I don't understand it and know why people are irate. They sometime look like 2 diferent teams during the same damn game. They look unstoppable at times and other time look like they're sleep walking. The Bucks game is a good example.