He said he liked the trade for both teams, but that the Knicks had bigger adjustments and that the trade will be big for the Knicks future. The Knicks need to replace the assets they lost.

He said Melo an amazing scorer and its not fair to ask him to do things he's never been good at, namely defense and creating for his teammates

He said Melo has some bad habits and it might need to get worse before it gets better.

He said Melo is a good guy and coachable, but it will need to be a strong personality.

He said MDA is a GREAT coach, an offensive genious and he does stress defense. He asked who were the great defensive players on the Knicks?

Anyone hear more?

JVG would be an interesting fit here. Too bad he will never come back

fishmike wrote:anyone listen? Talked a lot of Knicks w/ Michael Kay. I caught about 10 minutes.

He said he liked the trade for both teams, but that the Knicks had bigger adjustments and that the trade will be big for the Knicks future. The Knicks need to replace the assets they lost.

He said Melo an amazing scorer and its not fair to ask him to do things he's never been good at, namely defense and creating for his teammates

He said Melo has some bad habits and it might need to get worse before it gets better.

He said Melo is a good guy and coachable, but it will need to be a strong personality.

He said MDA is a GREAT coach, an offensive genious and he does stress defense. He asked who were the great defensive players on the Knicks?

Anyone hear more?

JVG would be an interesting fit here. Too bad he will never come back

I didn't want to mention it in the article about Melo you posted because it wasn't about the coach but I get the feeling that is what the team needs, especially Melo. Someone asked if not D'Antoni then who? Good question.

In the first half, Rivers didn't see Celtic basketball. "I haven't used the word 'soft' much in the last four years," he said. "But I used it a lot at halftime."

Right now, the Knicks are still in the transition phase with all the new players, but they have shown they can get their game together and pull out wins. This team gets up for winners and not for lowly teams because right now they lack the motivation to prove themselves at the right time. Doc Rivers, or a coach like him, would motivate this team, would tell them that they are playing like garbage with no remorse and defy them to prove him wrong. We had many solid wins before with this group because they wanted to prove people wrong, like with Miami. You think D'Antoni is that kind of coach? He is more like a sergeant, who just tells you what to do instead of having open communication with his players. How many times have we seen players saying they found out something just before a game or by the media because D'Antoni doesn't talk to them. Even the coach has said he doesn't have the need to. You think he is calling it like everyone sees it during a game? Don't think so.

This team needs many things to be a contender, but right now the most important thing is pulling out wins. The only way to do it is through motivation, and Doc is a light years away from D'Antoni in that.

Vmart wrote:

fishmike wrote:Rick Carlisle or Doc Rivers would be good fits. Phil Jackson would be entertaining (at least then guys would start realizing the problem is with the players).

MDA is a good coach and a good guy. He's honest and calls it like it is. Its too bad a coddled diva like Melo would cost him his job but he will get another.

Fish, no place for that. Your hatred for Melo makes your opinions invalid. After JVG said that Melo is coachable. I don't know what you were looking at but the Knicks were miserable before the streak and after the streak. You were preaching patience with the departed Knicks and now you lack the patience for a team trying to find its way. Looking for every chance to bring down the Knicks and Melo. Do us all a favor and hold back you opinions on Melo, The Melo hatred isn't it like you. You always preached patience, you have to take your own advice on this one.

True or False:
Melo has pouted on the end of the bench
Melo has avoided media after losses
Melo has barked at teammates during games
Melo has complained about non calls while the other team scores in transition (repeatedly)
Melo is making more $$$ than any Knick
Melo is acting like a coddled Diva

Whats your opinion VMart? Do share? I'm calling what I see.

And for the record I have only hated one player in Knick history. Thats Marbury. I rooted for Zach, Crawford, Eddy Curry, Lee, whoever... when others on this board just spewed loathing. If I ever hate a player on the Knicks I simply wont watch. Thats not why I watch sports.

I call my son a spoiled brat when he's acting as such. Doesnt mean I hate him.

I DO hate the trade that brought Melo here, and unlike Eddy Curry's trade (all ISiah) Melo is very much responssible for the trade that got him here. I'm just waiting for him to live up to it.

Knicksfan wrote:Doc Rivers would be the kind of coach that we need and here is one of the reasons why:

In the first half, Rivers didn't see Celtic basketball. "I haven't used the word 'soft' much in the last four years," he said. "But I used it a lot at halftime."

Right now, the Knicks are still in the transition phase with all the new players, but they have shown they can get their game together and pull out wins. This team gets up for winners and not for lowly teams because right now they lack the motivation to prove themselves at the right time. Doc Rivers, or a coach like him, would motivate this team, would tell them that they are playing like garbage with no remorse and defy them to prove him wrong. We had many solid wins before with this group because they wanted to prove people wrong, like with Miami. You think D'Antoni is that kind of coach? He is more like a sergeant, who just tells you what to do instead of having open communication with his players. How many times have we seen players saying they found out something just before a game or by the media because D'Antoni doesn't talk to them. Even the coach has said he doesn't have the need to. You think he is calling it like everyone sees it during a game? Don't think so.

This team needs many things to be a contender, but right now the most important thing is pulling out wins. The only way to do it is through motivation, and Doc is a light years away from D'Antoni in that.

I actually agree with this point. Right now our biggest problem is motivation and a lack of cohesion, both of which may be expectable considering all the roster adjustments. I am not ready to abandon MDA, as his system has a lot of potential with our current roster, and we don't need to create more upheaval right now.

As far as our state of fux, it seems like we are still pursuing the three amigos/wedding-toast tea. CP3 would certainly do wonders to shore up our lack of offensive cohesion. He would make everyone on the team better. Billups was a great PG and still has solid vision and skills. But he is old for a PG and a couple steps too slow for SSOL. He's the wrong guy for this team. TD has demonstrated he is the right backup PG for us, but we still need the floor general. Until we make our final starphuck move, it's going to be up and down. I am willing to wait out this interval asI think Melo could be a wonderful talent for us in the right mix.

For now, let's keep getting the assets we need to finish the project. MDA stays until he proves incapable of motivating our players.

grillco wrote:How much do you think Jeff would love to coach this Knicks team? Knowing that they will address needs/issues during the off season and coaching that newly formed team for a whole preseason...I'm sure he'd love to come back and try to bring a chip back to NY. It's not going to happen, but I imagine he'd had loved to walk into this type of situation.

I think he wants his buddy Mark Jackson to get the gig. I would not be surprised if Action Jackson gets hired with JVG as asst coach.

Vmart wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Vmart wrote:

fishmike wrote:Rick Carlisle or Doc Rivers would be good fits. Phil Jackson would be entertaining (at least then guys would start realizing the problem is with the players).

MDA is a good coach and a good guy. He's honest and calls it like it is. Its too bad a coddled diva like Melo would cost him his job but he will get another.

Fish, no place for that. Your hatred for Melo makes your opinions invalid. After JVG said that Melo is coachable. I don't know what you were looking at but the Knicks were miserable before the streak and after the streak. You were preaching patience with the departed Knicks and now you lack the patience for a team trying to find its way. Looking for every chance to bring down the Knicks and Melo. Do us all a favor and hold back you opinions on Melo, The Melo hatred isn't it like you. You always preached patience, you have to take your own advice on this one.

wow... I just read your whole post and not once did you mention MDA doesnt care about D and only like 3 pointers. You ok?

True or False:
Melo has pouted on the end of the bench
Melo has avoided media after losses
Melo has barked at teammates during games
Melo has complained about non calls while the other team scores in transition (repeatedly)
Melo is making more $$$ than any Knick
Melo is acting like a coddled Diva

Whats your opinion VMart? Do share? I'm calling what I see.

And for the record I have only hated one player in Knick history. Thats Marbury. I rooted for Zach, Crawford, Eddy Curry, Lee, whoever... when others on this board just spewed loathing. If I ever hate a player on the Knicks I simply wont watch. Thats not why I watch sports.

I call my son a spoiled brat when he's acting as such. Doesnt mean I hate him.

I DO hate the trade that brought Melo here, and unlike Eddy Curry's trade (all ISiah) Melo is very much responssible for the trade that got him here. I'm just waiting for him to live up to it.

I'll give you my opinion on all that you say. Melo pouted on the bench, didn't see it. Melo has avoided Media, read about it, good thing he did might have received a fine for lambasting the refing good move on his part, whats to say after the game that he didn't perform well Media already knew he didn't have it, no biggie there. Melo barked at his teammate, I got no problemm with that that is what stars do. MJ barked, Magic barked and even Bird called out his teammates. That's called wanting to be a leader. Melo has complained about non calls, I think everyone in the NBA does it and Amare might be more guilty of it hence the techs. Melo is making more $$$, yes he is and if you were given more dollars at you work would you turn it down? Melo is acting like a coddled Diva, that your opinion. I think he wants to win hence getting frustrated because he wants everything to go right that is the pressure he puts on himself.

You know that that Knicks were not going to win a chip with what the KNicks had before yet you preached patience for them. I think you could do the same now for this team. It is depleted but Walsh said it again that the trade was his and I trust Walsh to get the right pieces around Amare and Melo to make it work. As for MDA not preaching defense, he is what he is. His system needs the PG to be up to par and right now Billups isn't up to par it takes time. Defense I don't expect to much from MDA in that dept. He can try to teach it but it needs full attention which I don't think he is committed to.

I'm plenty patient. I dont expect a title this year, never did. But I expect a superstar caliber player to conduct himself better.

Look at how Amare conducted himself when the Knicks were losing early. Melo has been the anti Amare.

Dolan made this trade. Walsh is a good pro and wont throw his owner/boss under the bus. He will just move on. He's better than that. More class.

Also.. MDA isnt guarding Pierce and Rondo. Thats Melo and Billups job. Epic fail. Amare wasnt much better.

Stop the excuses. Players need to play better

martin wrote:

Vmart wrote:

grillco wrote:How much do you think Jeff would love to coach this Knicks team? Knowing that they will address needs/issues during the off season and coaching that newly formed team for a whole preseason...I'm sure he'd love to come back and try to bring a chip back to NY. It's not going to happen, but I imagine he'd had loved to walk into this type of situation.

Money talks. Its the same with JVG.

Not when it's Dolan's money though.

If Dolan offed you a job paying a nice sum you would turn it down? Money is money.

Knicksfan wrote:Doc Rivers would be the kind of coach that we need and here is one of the reasons why:

In the first half, Rivers didn't see Celtic basketball. "I haven't used the word 'soft' much in the last four years," he said. "But I used it a lot at halftime."

Right now, the Knicks are still in the transition phase with all the new players, but they have shown they can get their game together and pull out wins. This team gets up for winners and not for lowly teams because right now they lack the motivation to prove themselves at the right time. Doc Rivers, or a coach like him, would motivate this team, would tell them that they are playing like garbage with no remorse and defy them to prove him wrong. We had many solid wins before with this group because they wanted to prove people wrong, like with Miami. You think D'Antoni is that kind of coach? He is more like a sergeant, who just tells you what to do instead of having open communication with his players. How many times have we seen players saying they found out something just before a game or by the media because D'Antoni doesn't talk to them. Even the coach has said he doesn't have the need to. You think he is calling it like everyone sees it during a game? Don't think so.

This team needs many things to be a contender, but right now the most important thing is pulling out wins. The only way to do it is through motivation, and Doc is a light years away from D'Antoni in that.

Papabear Says

What was Doc Rivers before he got Keven Garnet, Ray Allen?? They were asking for his head.

Vmart wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Vmart wrote:

fishmike wrote:Rick Carlisle or Doc Rivers would be good fits. Phil Jackson would be entertaining (at least then guys would start realizing the problem is with the players).

MDA is a good coach and a good guy. He's honest and calls it like it is. Its too bad a coddled diva like Melo would cost him his job but he will get another.

Fish, no place for that. Your hatred for Melo makes your opinions invalid. After JVG said that Melo is coachable. I don't know what you were looking at but the Knicks were miserable before the streak and after the streak. You were preaching patience with the departed Knicks and now you lack the patience for a team trying to find its way. Looking for every chance to bring down the Knicks and Melo. Do us all a favor and hold back you opinions on Melo, The Melo hatred isn't it like you. You always preached patience, you have to take your own advice on this one.

wow... I just read your whole post and not once did you mention MDA doesnt care about D and only like 3 pointers. You ok?

True or False:
Melo has pouted on the end of the bench
Melo has avoided media after losses
Melo has barked at teammates during games
Melo has complained about non calls while the other team scores in transition (repeatedly)
Melo is making more $$$ than any Knick
Melo is acting like a coddled Diva

Whats your opinion VMart? Do share? I'm calling what I see.

And for the record I have only hated one player in Knick history. Thats Marbury. I rooted for Zach, Crawford, Eddy Curry, Lee, whoever... when others on this board just spewed loathing. If I ever hate a player on the Knicks I simply wont watch. Thats not why I watch sports.

I call my son a spoiled brat when he's acting as such. Doesnt mean I hate him.

I DO hate the trade that brought Melo here, and unlike Eddy Curry's trade (all ISiah) Melo is very much responssible for the trade that got him here. I'm just waiting for him to live up to it.

I'll give you my opinion on all that you say. Melo pouted on the bench, didn't see it. Melo has avoided Media, read about it, good thing he did might have received a fine for lambasting the refing good move on his part, whats to say after the game that he didn't perform well Media already knew he didn't have it, no biggie there. Melo barked at his teammate, I got no problemm with that that is what stars do. MJ barked, Magic barked and even Bird called out his teammates. That's called wanting to be a leader. Melo has complained about non calls, I think everyone in the NBA does it and Amare might be more guilty of it hence the techs. Melo is making more $$$, yes he is and if you were given more dollars at you work would you turn it down? Melo is acting like a coddled Diva, that your opinion. I think he wants to win hence getting frustrated because he wants everything to go right that is the pressure he puts on himself.

You know that that Knicks were not going to win a chip with what the KNicks had before yet you preached patience for them. I think you could do the same now for this team. It is depleted but Walsh said it again that the trade was his and I trust Walsh to get the right pieces around Amare and Melo to make it work. As for MDA not preaching defense, he is what he is. His system needs the PG to be up to par and right now Billups isn't up to par it takes time. Defense I don't expect to much from MDA in that dept. He can try to teach it but it needs full attention which I don't think he is committed to.

Papabear Says

Great Post! I could not have said it better myself.