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BRIGGS
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3/21/2011  11:43 AM
1. K Walker

2. J Freddette

3 Ja Johnson

4 Br Knight

5 Nolan Smith

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3/21/2011  12:02 PM
On your list I'd sort this way....

Walker
Knight
Freddette
Smith
Ja Johnson (because I haven't seen him).

I think Walker is at least a dynamite back-up at pg but potentially a solid starter.

Off the top of my head I'd add these names as realistic options I'd be happy with....looking at talent not positions.

Alec Burks (SG - CU)
Marcus Morris (SF/PF - KU)
Markeif Morris (PF - KU)
Kenneth Faried (PF - MS)
Kawhi Leonard (SG/SF - SDSU)

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3/21/2011  5:45 PM
Lets be serious this isn't a final list. There's a lot of tournament left to play and then the draft camps etc.

I think JaJuan Johnson is criminally underrated. I don't think people emphasize productivity as much as they should. This is a big averaging 20.5-8.6-2.3 in the Big 10.

The guy I'm really intrigued with right now is Chris Singleton though. He reminds me a lot of Marion. FSU has done great with him playing limited minutes, but he makes a huge impact when he gets out there. I think if he were healthy for the past month or so, people would be gawking over him.

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3/21/2011  5:50 PM
i'd like to buy a late first round pick to use on this kid:

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Lucas-Nogueira-5957/

he's known as the brazlian marcus camby. it'd take time to develop him, but maybe you catch lightning in a bottle.

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3/21/2011  5:55 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/21/2011  5:55 PM
VDesai wrote:Lets be serious this isn't a final list. There's a lot of tournament left to play and then the draft camps etc.

I think JaJuan Johnson is criminally underrated. I don't think people emphasize productivity as much as they should. This is a big averaging 20.5-8.6-2.3 in the Big 10.

The guy I'm really intrigued with right now is Chris Singleton though. He reminds me a lot of Marion. FSU has done great with him playing limited minutes, but he makes a huge impact when he gets out there. I think if he were healthy for the past month or so, people would be gawking over him.

Yes the tourney will bring us someone "du jour" and the combines will measure the statistics and players will move up and down. Long way to the draft. There is quite some history of players who have achieved a great NBA career that didn't play all that well in college or that long. And vice versa.

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3/21/2011  5:56 PM
I like Brandon Knight quite a bit.
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3/21/2011  5:58 PM
I'm not really interested in scoring guards. I want shooters/defenders who offer length and rebounding.
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3/21/2011  6:18 PM
No on Knight. And Hansbrough doesn't cut it for me at least

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You want a guy like Chauncey who settles and focuses the team at lead guard.

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Irving or Marshall if available I don't watch a lot of the schools out west and have yet to watch Kansas or K-State.

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3/21/2011  6:37 PM
There's decent talent available in the draft. I hope DW is still here to guide the ship.
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3/21/2011  6:42 PM
crzymdups wrote:i'd like to buy a late first round pick to use on this kid:

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Lucas-Nogueira-5957/

he's known as the brazlian marcus camby. it'd take time to develop him, but maybe you catch lightning in a bottle.

Yeah, he would be great as a prospect, think he's only 18 or 19. Is he declaring though as I don't see him on any mocks? Makes you wish we had our 2nd round picks...

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3/21/2011  6:46 PM
We should be trading that draft pick. No one we draft at 17 is going to help us anytime soon.

That pick is valuable to a rebuilding team though.

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3/21/2011  6:48 PM
I think its a flat draft. In other words I don't see an abundance of frontline players available early. You might be just as likely to find one of the best 5 players 15-30 as the top 15. Good news for us.
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3/21/2011  6:48 PM
AnubisADL wrote:We should be trading that draft pick. No one we draft at 17 is going to help us anytime soon.

That pick is valuable to a rebuilding team though.

So...what's your take on Landry Fields? Trade bait?

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3/21/2011  6:52 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/21/2011  6:52 PM
AnubisADL wrote:We should be trading that draft pick. No one we draft at 17 is going to help us anytime soon.

That pick is valuable to a rebuilding team though.

The Knicks could wind up with Alec Burks if they luck out. The kid can play and would be a great piece to have.

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3/21/2011  7:20 PM
I would take Smith over the others all day long.Why is Walker first on that list? Becuase he is a Husskie? How are his stats better than Smith's? I don't want the next human highlight reel.
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3/22/2011  2:05 AM
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3/22/2011  8:22 AM
Olbrannon wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:We should be trading that draft pick. No one we draft at 17 is going to help us anytime soon.

That pick is valuable to a rebuilding team though.

So...what's your take on Landry Fields? Trade bait?

We are rebuilding. Not from the ground up, but there are a ton of pieces we need to fill.

I think I'd like us not to pick up Billups contract, and instead see how many first round picks we can buy- and just stock the roster with good, solid, young players.

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3/22/2011  9:49 AM    LAST EDITED: 3/22/2011  3:51 PM
Under normal curcumstances I'd agree franco -- nobody likes hungry, exciting young players at a good/controlled price more than I do---big advocate of building up a roster with guys like that over overpriced vets any day as long as it's feasible and makes sense (sometimes the situation dictates otherwise; sometimes you need vets esp when you get real close to taking the final step)..I'd go along with that except at PG..The only way I'd draft a young PG to completely take over is if I were a lottery team or I had a top lottery pick and the kid was a can't miss. We're not a lottery team---we have one hell of a foundation in place..The concrete was just poured..All about building the house now; the frame (the blueprint) and then brick by brick..

I don't see a PG in this draft that's capable of jumping right in to take over this team in year 1..The couple that might be able to do that, and I emphasize 'might," will probably be long gone by the time we pick..Plus, as good as TD is and as much progress as he's made this year, there's no way I'm ready to hand him the keys fulltime for next year..Just look at last night---TD was shaky down the stretch..Even in games he's played well in recently he's been shaky at crucial junctures with the ball in his hands (Toney's play in the game Melo won at the end @ Memphis a few games back was extremely shaky down the stretch for example, part of the reason that game got closer than it should've been)..Not trying to rag on the kid--he's been good, just pointing out the obvious. I don't buy Toney Douglas/Derek Fisher comparisons btw..Fisher has the luxury of playing next to do-it-all Kobe Bryant..We don't have that type of superstar, not many teams do..Much more is required out of a NY PG than a Laker "PG" as long as Kobe's still around...Think Mo Williams playing next to LeBron James in Cleveland..Same thing.

So where does that leave us? I think Billups is still a viable option for next season. Alan Hahn reporting in today's Newsday that Walsh and Billups' agent, Andy Miller, are holding preliminary discussions about the possibility of extending Chauncey beyond this year..I can certainly understand that from Billups' POV--he wants the security and stability of knowing where he'll been playing out his career, but I consider it an unwarranted gamble for the Knicks to go beyond next year. I would, however, pick up the full option for next year. Why the hell not? First off, imho, there are no big FAs worth signing long-term this summer for substantial money that automatically make us into a championship-contending team..Second, this injury Chauncey suffered real hurt him in more ways than one -- he totally lost the feel for running the club..Whatever headway he made the first few games was reset back to the beginning as if he just got here..Hey it happens..Did Ray Felton struggle mightily running this team for several weeks earlier this season before things settled down? Yes, he did..I'm gonna give Chauncey some more time here before writing him off..Dude has been a damn good player in this league for a long time..Former champion and he was the MVP of that championship series..Both Nash & J Kidd, very comparable PGs at this stage of their careers, can't even say that (and Chauncey's younger than both of those guys btw--he's got one by 2 years, the other by 3)..Not to mention he was playing very well before he got hurt---going to the line a ton, performing very well down the stretch of games, he won the game for us in Miami--probably the biggest road win of the year, etc. How soon some poeple forget that..Let's relax with this guy..The chemistry is off right now..It takes time to develop that. Did Miami struggle the begginig nof the year? Yup, still not firing on all cylinders despite the number of wins they've amassed..Bottom line is we need stability at that position in the worst way..Unfortunately, we're not getting that from Billups right now but I think it will come---it was there before he got hurt. It's just gonna take time to get it back. Meanwhile, TD hasn't shown me he's the answer fulltime and I doubt whatever PG will be available 20 or below in this draft will be either. I could be wrong but that's just what my gut tells me right now.

And just to dispel another myth: WE WILL be able to rebuild the underbelly with rock solid talent even if we sign Billups and hit the cap ceiling and I'm not even talking about evoking the MLE unless it's for 1-yr salaries only (if Sammy Dalembert's interested in taking a 1-yr deal for semi-substantial money for example, say in the $5-7+M, fine. NP. If not--I know I can go out and add a solid center, a substantial upgrade over Jeffries and Turiaf, for cheap money. Take it or leave it Sammy. I'm not jepordizing 2012 cap room for you. Or for an unknown quantity like DeAndre Jordan--yeah the above-the-rim athleticism this guy possesses is very nice but not worth overpaying for. I bet I could come up with the same if not better production, probably even more skill pound for pound, for a much better price just without the high-wire act...I would hope that's the goal. God knows it should be...Pick up Chauncey's full option at the end of the season..I might even do it sooner..That should calm him down and placate him for the time being..And we'd have our PG stability for next year while sizing up 2012 FA when several top PGs become available. As Hahn pointed out this morning, Billups would even make for a nice expiring contract we could possibly include in a trade to get a guy like CP3 if he pulls a Carmelo Anthony on New Orleans..Let's see what happens..We have some time..Worst case scenario we extend Billups in the summer of 2012..That's WORST CASE.

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3/22/2011  9:52 AM
VDesai wrote:I'm not really interested in scoring guards. I want shooters/defenders who offer length and rebounding.

exactly

Keith Benson?

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3/22/2011  10:13 AM    LAST EDITED: 3/22/2011  10:16 AM
fishmike wrote:
VDesai wrote:I'm not really interested in scoring guards. I want shooters/defenders who offer length and rebounding.

exactly

Keith Benson?

I was all over this guy weeks ago but the last two games I saw him play he took a step backward for me--a win at home against Oral Roberts when he put up a lot of hollow stats and then again in the loss to Texas when he was kept in check and came up pretty small against freshman PF Tristan Thompson..He had so much trouble in the post against T Thompson that last game..He just looks a step slow and a little too disinterested & lax at times---that's the last thing we need..I dunno, maybe it's me..He probably would be an upgrade over Turiaf even as is..I think he's a second round pick that needs some work but someone might take a chance on him in the first round. Wouldn't surprise me...There are plenty of other guys I have ranked higher now around 20..

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