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matt
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3/21/2011  12:58 AM
Anyone else notice the similarities in the deals? Then, the Knicks were playing well with Marbury and Van Horn and Doleac late in the season. Right before the deadline, we ship him out for Tim Thomas and the chemistry is shot and we get destroyed by Kidd and the Nets.

Having said that, I still like the deal because it's Carmelo and not Tim Thomas, but still kinda odd how similar this is
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3/21/2011  1:00 AM
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3/21/2011  2:01 AM
Let's not forget Allan Houston went down for the rest of the season shortly after that trade was made and that was a big part of why The Knicks struggled and were swept by the Fugazi tough guy Nets.
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3/21/2011  7:19 AM
Not at all, this doesn't remind me of the Tim Thomas trade at all.
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3/21/2011  8:23 AM
the Knicks were 11W-14L in the last 2 months from Christmas to the trade deadline going into the Melo trade
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3/21/2011  8:25 AM    LAST EDITED: 3/21/2011  8:26 AM
TMS wrote:the Knicks were 11W-14L in the last 2 months from Christmas to the trade deadline going into the Melo trade

Yea, with trade rumors dragging them down during that stretch. How does it feel, I wonder, to ball hard and drop good buckets and be rewarded with your name in trade rumors everyday for 2 months?

These are humans not robots. One can argue that "they're pros, they shouldn't be affected", but they are affected, pros or not, humans aren't robots.

You keep that team together, take away all the Melodrama, and we're looking at 40+ wins at this point, heading into an awesome playoffs with a ton of excitement. Instead, we have this sad, pathetic excuse for a "TEAM"

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3/21/2011  8:27 AM
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3/21/2011  8:30 AM
yes they are soooooo similar.
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3/21/2011  10:26 AM    LAST EDITED: 3/21/2011  10:27 AM
I thought of something similar, also. Definitely a chemistry buster of a trade. But, outside of the chemistry argument, they're really nothing alike.

As much as I thought KVH and Doleac for Tim Thomas and Nazr was a bad trade for the Knicks, it's not the kind of asset clearing trade that this one was. KVH and Tim Thomas were nowhere near the talent level of Melo. That being said, as a franchise, I think we have a habit of tweaking too much, instead of just walking away from deals that don't make sense at the time.

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3/21/2011  10:40 AM
Oh yes. Melo is exactly like KVH or Tim Thomas. Or maybe he's like KVH mated with Tim Thomas. Or maybe he's just like the mutant love child of Turdbury and Tim Thomas. With KVH serving as midwife.

We've got the best small forward on the team since BK and people are still going to whine.

Gotta love NYK fans. You've spent so many years exposed to Bermanitis and Hahnolosis you can't tell which way is up.
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3/21/2011  10:44 AM
How about when Houston traded for Clyde the Glyde and then played .500 ball until the playoffs... and then won a chip?
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3/21/2011  11:12 AM
TMS wrote:the Knicks were 11W-14L in the last 2 months from Christmas to the trade deadline going into the Melo trade

True but trade haters blame that on the trade rumors.

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3/21/2011  11:19 AM
CashMoney wrote:
TMS wrote:the Knicks were 11W-14L in the last 2 months from Christmas to the trade deadline going into the Melo trade

True but trade haters blame that on the trade rumors.

you don't think there was some truth to it? I do, in part. From a player's perspective I don't like them to use it as an excuse, but it is human nature and players from both Denver and NY admitted that it bothered them. Same with NJ.

Was it 100% part of the reason they lost? No. Was it a small part? Prob.

Same with a ton of NBA players who knew they were going to get traded.

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3/21/2011  11:26 AM    LAST EDITED: 3/21/2011  11:27 AM
Isiah made the trade Scott Layden had been working on to get Marbury. KVH was the typical Layden player and the pick and pop looked exceptional on that team. Isiah then made a lateral move to get Tim Thomas who didn't compliment Marbury all too well.

The Knicks cashed in young assets to get a guy that started in the All Star Game.

I fail to see the similarities. Especially because I don't believe the Knicks were as good as people make them sound now. They were 5-5 in their last 10 before the trade and 8-12 in their last 20. I missed TMS' post

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3/21/2011  1:52 PM
matt wrote:Anyone else notice the similarities in the deals? Then, the Knicks were playing well with Marbury and Van Horn and Doleac late in the season. Right before the deadline, we ship him out for Tim Thomas and the chemistry is shot and we get destroyed by Kidd and the Nets.

Having said that, I still like the deal because it's Carmelo and not Tim Thomas, but still kinda odd how similar this is

I've thought the same thing. Yes, there is a lot different, but it does seem we had a better team before the trade than after both times.
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3/21/2011  5:38 PM
I dont see it other than timing. The Knicks weren't playing well prior to this trade, but the Knicks were playing very well with the Marbs-KVH duo ( or better than they had played in some time). The Tim Thomas deal was a deal where were giving up the best player in the trade and trading for more depth (Nazr helped add depth at center). It didn't work because we lost our more reliable 2nd option as Thomas was far more erratic than KVH, and then got himself hurt in the playoffs.

Here we got the best player and a better 2nd scoring option than whomever we had before. We aren't really playing any worse than we were playing as we were starting to lose a lot prior to the trade. We actually started playing well last week but have taken a step back since Billups has come back. I think its adjustment issues.
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3/21/2011  6:49 PM
martin wrote:
CashMoney wrote:
TMS wrote:the Knicks were 11W-14L in the last 2 months from Christmas to the trade deadline going into the Melo trade

True but trade haters blame that on the trade rumors.

you don't think there was some truth to it? I do, in part. From a player's perspective I don't like them to use it as an excuse, but it is human nature and players from both Denver and NY admitted that it bothered them. Same with NJ.

Was it 100% part of the reason they lost? No. Was it a small part? Prob.

Same with a ton of NBA players who knew they were going to get traded.

Sure it may have bothered them a little bit but to use it to explain sub par play is weak at best.

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3/21/2011  6:55 PM
Marbury and Doleac had the P&R down pretty well and KVH wasn't playing his usual soft self that season which surprised some people including myself. The difference here is we have two superstars trying to coexist after a few games and the player who has the best chance of making things work has been hurt and is trying himself to get used to the new team.

Most of the time, Tim Thomas was just standing in the corner behind the three point line and driving very little. Part of it might have been the game plan but he just wasn't as aggressive as he could have been. Then the "fugazi" comment and that was the beginning of the end.
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