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misterearl
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3/20/2011  9:54 PM
Random Thoughts

Losing 5 of 6 will sober up anyone. The Knicks played on adrenaline for about a week after the trade. Then Chauncey was injured and someone discovered you cannot play without a center on the roster. Any pleasant dreams of a playoff run start to fade with the knowledge that starting Shelden Williams is a clear sign of desperation. Any success past the first round of the playoffs would be unexpected and exciting.

Now that the reception is over and the honeymoon afterglow has worn off, the difficult task of team building continues. That is a process forged in tough losses, mental errors, coaches testing new shift lines and everyone getting to know total strangers on and off the court. It does not happen in a month. That process will force everyone to make adjustments. Everyone. The best way to build team mojo is to follow a 3-8 stretch with a 12-1 run.

Summer League rosters come out the first week in July.

Things to fix: (other than the obvious 6'11 post presence who can score inside the paint)

Leadership Guard. If Billups walks, there is not one guard who can be trusted to drive the car. You need one to start and another off the bench. Forget Toney Douglas for a moment. Until Douglas learns to be consistent, he stunts the cohesion of the all star frontcourt. This affects shot distribution and selection. Shooting under 40 per cent (38 to be exact) with two all stars means there is much work to be done to get better shots. The good news is that Landry Fields continues to shoot over 50 per cent for the season but gets single digit shot attempts on most nights. Get him the ball more often.

Power forward. Amare is a warrior and that is a concern as he wears down during the marathon season. His minutes need to be monitored and another proven 6'10+ four MUST be signed over the summer. If Billups decides that he can survive one more year away from his family ... cool. That's five.

Sidebar alert. Carmelo needs to take his off season conditioning program to another level. The turmoil and distraction around his place of employment is off the table. He needs to whip himself into the best shape of his career to play both ends of the court. No excuses. You want to be a max player. You need to run the floor like a max player.

The Plan.

If Donnie Walsh is signed to an extension that would be great. Every day that passes without a new contract is one more picture taken down from the wall in his office. I trust he will locate two guards who can be trusted with the ball, an intimidating power forward and two centers who can manage the paint. That makes nine. Anything Derrick Brown brings is a bonus. Turiaf can stay as backup center insurance policy and honorary Drew "Bundini" Brown.

Player turnover is killing continuity.

Most important, we must keep Carmelo, Stoudemire, Fields and even Shawne Williams... together. That's four. What do they all have in common? This is their FIRST year in New York.

I don't want the Knicks to ever make a trade deadline deal again. Ever.

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Marv
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3/20/2011  10:17 PM
good post.

i'll call you and raise you.

let go of d'antoni.

bring in a guy who wants to utilize bigger players and intensity around the hoop on both sides of the court.

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3/20/2011  10:28 PM
Hello.. My Name Is...

Marv - it all hinges on the Donnie Walsh extension. If The Don walks, look for the next President of Basketball Operations to have a sit down with D'Antoni to clear the air. Any void left by the departure of Walsh would leave Mark Warkentien, John Gabriel, Allan Houston and Glen Grunwald jockeying for position with Dolan.

More Drama.

One more thing, the transition from pickup squad to basketball team requires keeping a core together for more than one season. There is no cohesion because we have a complete roster of strangers. There are only two players on the roster who have played a full season in a Knicks uniform. Just two. The elder statesman Toney Douglas, (third season in NYC) and...

... Bill Walker, second season in NYC. That's it.

The rest of them ALL just arrived since October. Players with LESS than one full season in New York include: Shawne Williams, Stoudemire, Turiaf, Anthony, Billups, Carter, Mason Jr., Fields, Rautins, other Williams, Brown

More trades anyone?

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3/20/2011  10:38 PM
- We need a starting Center
- We need a starting quality PG
- We need a SG

Beauty of having Amare and Melo is we dont need any of those 3 to be great.

Centers: Samuel Dalembert, Deandre Jordan, Anderson Varejao
SG's: Mayo
PG's: Sessions

Problem is we need to pray for a high hard cap or a decent size exception in the new CBA.

I think Mayo can fill our need at PG and SG but Memphis isn't going to give him away.

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3/20/2011  10:47 PM
misterearl wrote:Hello.. My Name Is...

Marv - it all hinges on the Donnie Walsh extension. If The Don walks, look for the next President of Basketball Operations to have a sit down with D'Antoni to clear the air. Any void left by the departure of Walsh would leave Mark Warkentien, John Gabriel, Allan Houston and Glen Grunwald jockeying for position with Dolan.

More Drama.

One more thing, the transition from pickup squad to basketball team requires keeping a core together for more than one season. There is no cohesion because we have a complete roster of strangers. There are only two players on the roster who have played a full season in a Knicks uniform. Just two. The elder statesman Toney Douglas, (third season in NYC) and...

... Bill Walker, second season in NYC. That's it.

The rest of them ALL just arrived since October. Players with LESS than one full season in New York include: Shawne Williams, Stoudemire, Turiaf, Anthony, Billups, Carter, Mason Jr., Fields, Rautins, other Williams, Brown
More trades anyone?

This definitely underscores the reason to fire the coach right now. Absolute proof that MDA doesn't coach defense and Walsh doesn't know what he is doing.

TKF on Melo ::....he is a punk, a jerk, a self absorbed out of shape, self aggrandizing, unprofessional, volume chucking coach killing playoff loser!!
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3/20/2011  10:51 PM
Marv wrote:good post.

i'll call you and raise you.

let go of d'antoni.

bring in a guy who wants to utilize bigger players and intensity around the hoop on both sides of the court.

which big players do you recommend this new coach play?

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3/20/2011  10:54 PM
martin wrote:
Marv wrote:good post.

i'll call you and raise you.

let go of d'antoni.

bring in a guy who wants to utilize bigger players and intensity around the hoop on both sides of the court.

which big players do you recommend this new coach play?


I want to know how long will fans ignore that Mike wanted to play Mosgov, so much that he rushed getting him into the starting lineup. Neither Mike nor Donnie wanted to trade him, but Dolan stepped in. So both Donnie and Mike have to deal with the repercussions of Dolan's decision.
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3/20/2011  10:59 PM
Mike D'Antoni is an elite NBA head coach that has averaged 58 wins a season in Phoenix. When I see people trashing him I get physically and emotionally disgusted. I almost want to punch puppies out of anger. How can you say that about such a nice man? He's a good coach, he's a funny guy and his offense is amazing. The "no defense" myth is just that - a myth. He coaches defense as much as the next guy. If he had the personnel we would be a top 5 defensive team. Just give him the time and the players and we will get there. Tom Thibodeau? Who is that? Mike D'Antoni is a real coach with a known name and proven track record. He will take us to the promise land.
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3/20/2011  11:02 PM
martin wrote:
Marv wrote:good post.

i'll call you and raise you.

let go of d'antoni.

bring in a guy who wants to utilize bigger players and intensity around the hoop on both sides of the court.

which big players do you recommend this new coach play?


ha. well we went over this earlier today. imo mda should have used the bigger players that donnie got him in the past. even if they needed to learn on the job. the same would apply going forward. for which i don't trust mda.
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3/20/2011  11:05 PM
good post, earl.

thinking outside the box a little - what about buying a late first rounder to draft the brazilian marcus camby? i believe he is eligible for the draft because he'll be 19yrs old before the next season starts.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Lucas-Nogueira-5957/

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3/21/2011  12:24 AM
Marv wrote:
martin wrote:
Marv wrote:good post.

i'll call you and raise you.

let go of d'antoni.

bring in a guy who wants to utilize bigger players and intensity around the hoop on both sides of the court.

which big players do you recommend this new coach play?


ha. well we went over this earlier today. imo mda should have used the bigger players that donnie got him in the past. even if they needed to learn on the job. the same would apply going forward. for which i don't trust mda.

play Moz and AR, like he did at the beginning of the year? Keep losing so we miss playoffs? Was that during the time we were all calling for him to be fired anyway?

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3/21/2011  2:02 AM
nixluva wrote:
martin wrote:
Marv wrote:good post.

i'll call you and raise you.

let go of d'antoni.

bring in a guy who wants to utilize bigger players and intensity around the hoop on both sides of the court.

which big players do you recommend this new coach play?


I want to know how long will fans ignore that Mike wanted to play Mosgov, so much that he rushed getting him into the starting lineup. Neither Mike nor Donnie wanted to trade him, but Dolan stepped in. So both Donnie and Mike have to deal with the repercussions of Dolan's decision.

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The game that Mike D like to play does not fit the format of the team he now has. Our defemse is almost funny.

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3/21/2011  9:27 AM
crzymdups wrote:good post, earl.

thinking outside the box a little - what about buying a late first rounder to draft the brazilian marcus camby? i believe he is eligible for the draft because he'll be 19yrs old before the next season starts.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Lucas-Nogueira-5957/

crzymdups - Good call. Lucas Nogueira is EXACTLY the type of player that Knicks scouts like the legendary Ben Jobe might take a long look at. Whether that pick can be purchased in the same manner as Toney Douglas is another matter. NbaDraft.net has Nogueira coming to America in 2012 but you never know.

If Donnie could sneak a 7' Russian past US customs, the NY media and the entire Knicks rumor mill, anything is possible.

The idea of Anderson Varejao is intriguing but the foot injury is a concern. Players need their feet. The Answer Man is no doctor but a torn peroneus longus tendon in right ankle/foot sounds too much like Grant Hill and we know how long Grant Hill requied to heal.

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3/21/2011  9:46 AM    LAST EDITED: 3/21/2011  9:58 AM
The Out Of Towners

The point remains that the entire roster is a bunch of tourists.

Shawne Williams, Stoudemire, Turiaf, Mason Jr., Fields and Rautins have barely been here long enough to find a place to live. They have been together for a grand total of five months of NBA ball.

Anthony, Billups, Carter, the other Williams and Brown are still sorting through suitcases, trying to not get lost on the Saw Mill River Parkway or looking for their room keys at The Marriott.

There are pickup squads at the playground who have been together longer.

One more thing, next person who mentions the name Shelden Williams has his tongue removed.

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3/21/2011  12:07 PM
nixluva wrote:
martin wrote:
Marv wrote:good post.

i'll call you and raise you.

let go of d'antoni.

bring in a guy who wants to utilize bigger players and intensity around the hoop on both sides of the court.

which big players do you recommend this new coach play?


I want to know how long will fans ignore that Mike wanted to play Mosgov, so much that he rushed getting him into the starting lineup. Neither Mike nor Donnie wanted to trade him, but Dolan stepped in. So both Donnie and Mike have to deal with the repercussions of Dolan's decision.

Rushed him back to the starting lineup? Who was holding MDA back from doing so? Don't forget MDA decided to start the season with Moz at C, only to vanish him in his doghouse after a few games and he just welcomed him back to the starting lineup for a few games before the trade. Do you selectively forget the many times MDA went small because he actually favored and favors the small lineup in his system? You want to believe MDA would start a guy like, say Perkins, because its a no-brainer to you but you fail to analyze MDA's system in which players like him don't fit well on offense and therefore will be useless to a coach mainly focused on that end of the ball.

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3/21/2011  2:37 PM
Knicksfan wrote:
nixluva wrote:
martin wrote:
Marv wrote:good post.

i'll call you and raise you.

let go of d'antoni.

bring in a guy who wants to utilize bigger players and intensity around the hoop on both sides of the court.

which big players do you recommend this new coach play?


I want to know how long will fans ignore that Mike wanted to play Mosgov, so much that he rushed getting him into the starting lineup. Neither Mike nor Donnie wanted to trade him, but Dolan stepped in. So both Donnie and Mike have to deal with the repercussions of Dolan's decision.

Rushed him back to the starting lineup? Who was holding MDA back from doing so? Don't forget MDA decided to start the season with Moz at C, only to vanish him in his doghouse after a few games and he just welcomed him back to the starting lineup for a few games before the trade. Do you selectively forget the many times MDA went small because he actually favored and favors the small lineup in his system? You want to believe MDA would start a guy like, say Perkins, because its a no-brainer to you but you fail to analyze MDA's system in which players like him don't fit well on offense and therefore will be useless to a coach mainly focused on that end of the ball.

If we had a different, better, defensive minded coach, what lineup would he play?

Let's try to elevate the level of discourse in this byeetch. Please
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3/21/2011  3:07 PM
This team is ****ed period.

We built a perfect team of young talent and had plenty of cap room to work with. We were playing well and trade rumors started to affect our guys. Gallo and Chandler is better than one overweight Melo. We had Moz and AR project bigs and the ability to grab Jordan and resign chandler and have a great longterm front court and retain a player to give Amare rest.

Now we are going no where fast and can't compete with the Bulls/Heat longterm.

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3/21/2011  3:48 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/22/2011  7:54 AM
MS - the old new Knicks were not perfect by a long shot, but they were entertaining. Not unlike watching a baby walk for the first time, every time they fell, they kept getting back up. They wobbled and lost their balance, only to find a way against some pretty good teams.

Donnie Walsh is to be commended for some shrewd moves. There could be more moves to come but if Donnie stays the next moves will not... I repeat WILL NOT be predicted any more than Landry Fields and Timofey Mozgov were predicted.

It's groundhog day in New York.

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3/21/2011  3:53 PM
AnubisADL wrote:- We need a starting Center
- We need a starting quality PG
- We need a SG

Beauty of having Amare and Melo is we dont need any of those 3 to be great.


they need to be great at something. What you have with Melo/Stat is an easy 50 points a night right out of the gate, so your offense is pretty much set for the next few years. What you need to do is control the glass. You can live with being average on the contesting shots if you can control the glass.

I see our needs as a shooter, an elite athletic center who can defend and rebound and a play maker at PG who can lock down opposing 1s.
The text book mold of guys would be: Bogut, Rondo and someone like Ray Allen or a healthy Michael Redd.

Lets be realistic. Control the paint. Control the glass. You do that with size and nasty players.

What I would focus on is the frontcourt. Its like in football... the titles are won in the trenches.

I would offer Reggie Evans the full MLE over 3 years
we dont have enough to offer Clippers for DeAndre Jordan in a sign and trade, but if there was a shot I would start w/ Turiaf and Fields in a sign and trade.
I would also offer Denver our pick. We could draft a player and trade his rights and cash for Mosgov. We know he fits well next to Amare, crashing the boards and can hit the 15 footers. No this isnt me hoping for my boy back, this seems like a fit, nothing more nothing less.

Then we are working with:
C Jordan/Mosgov- 2 legit bigs who can call defend and are physical
PF Amare/Evans
SF Melo/Shawn Williams
SG Toney Douglas, etc
PG Billups, Rautins, etc

The backcourt needs an upgrade but the frontline is big, bruising and will control the paint and the glass.

Look to use Billup's contract for an upgrade at the 1/2

Building up the frontcourt the best way to accelerate this thing to an elite team. Maybe Melo plays some SG like Gallo did at times. SIZE SIZE SIZE. We are shrimpy again

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3/21/2011  4:03 PM
Knicksfan wrote:Don't forget MDA decided to start the season with Moz at C, only to vanish him in his doghouse after a few games and he just welcomed him back to the starting lineup for a few games before the trade.

Is it so difficult to goto ESPN and look up a players stats before spouting completely inaccurate information?

Moz logged minutes in 21 of the first 22 games the Knicks played, and then after reports that he had been improving significantly in practice, returned to the lineup for 8 games prior to being traded.

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