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earthmansurfer
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3/19/2011  7:37 AM
I can't blame the kid. Many of us were upset with the release of Brewer (which made sense from a financial standpoint) but got quite a bit of solace from the Brown signing. Remember, we actually almost drafted him. Look at what both Minny and Dallas did with the AR and Brewer signings: They gave the players 10-15 minutes a game for a few games and now they are both getting DNP's. At least those guys got a look and a chance, and Brewer a new contract. But, when a player is picked up by a .500 team and gets no playing time, I can understand the frustration - ESPECIALLY since we are essentially gutted. I believe we'll have Brown's rights at the end of the year, but do we want an ugly situation where he doesn't want to play here?

Yes, he old team took a chance doing what they did to facilitate a trade and this is a business, but didn't we just do "the right thing" in letting Brewer go? I really want to see the kid play. And apparently he is a part of our future considering our salary cap problems. Coach - give the guy some minutes, these short rotations are just murder for fans.

Reserve Brown talks to Walsh about future

AUBURN HILLS, Mich. -- Derrick Brown and the Knicks head to Charlotte in one week, and it will be a bittersweet return to North Carolina. Brown said he's disappointed the Knicks claimed him off waivers since he is not playing after the Knicks derailed Charlotte's attempt to waive him and then re-sign him.

Brown is so frustrated he met for 15 minutes with team president Donnie Walsh at the Garden before Thursday night's game to discuss his future. According to a source, Walsh told Brown to hang in there and he still could get a chance, but has no plans to waive him. The Brown camp has inquired about Walsh looking into the situation, according to a source.

Brown was inactive last night.

"I don't want to comment on that too much," Brown said of his long talk with Walsh. "It was personal."

Brown, in his second year out of Xavier, has played in just two games for D'Antoni for a total of 16 minutes, both coming in garbage time. Walsh views him as an excellent prospect with great athleticism and rebounding potential.

Brown, selected with the 40th pick in the second round of the 2009 draft, got a strong recommendation from former Bobcats coach Larry Brown.

But D'Antoni and Walsh appear to disagree on Brown's readiness as the coach still won't play him despite the Knicks' struggles since the Carmelo Anthony trade, losing four of their last five. Brown is a free agent after the season, so he could just re-sign with Charlotte in the offseason after this bad experience in New York.

The master plan was for Brown to return to Charlotte, which waived him after Gerald Wallace trade with Portland with the notion he was going to clear waivers. The Bobcats had to clear roster room to legally make the Wallace deal, because they inherited three Portland role players, Joel Pryzbilla, Sean Marks and Dante Cunningham.

"I was going back to Charlotte," Brown told The Post last night before the Knicks' 99-95 loss to the Pistons. "They put me on waivers just to make the trade. You have good days and bad days. I'll try to be professional about it."

Brown is represented by agent Bill Duffy, whom the Knicks accommodated at the trade deadline by putting Anthony Randolph in the three-team Carmelo Anthony blockbuster. The Knicks got Corey Brewer in that segment and he was bought out after a week.

"I'm working hard, trying to get better," said Brown, who played 41 games for Charlotte. "When the opportunity comes, it comes."

D'Antoni seems to have made up his mind on the new players from Denver not named Chauncey Billups and Carmelo Anthony and none of them are in. Shelden Williams, Renaldo Balkman and Anthony Carter are not in the current rotation.

http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/knicks/reserve_brown_talks_to_walsh_about_rlNlBEq3e0Z5AM5H2agAiL#ixzz1H2nfY5Z6

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3/19/2011  8:15 AM
earthmansurfer wrote:I really want to see the kid play. And apparently he is a part of our future considering our salary cap problems. Coach - give the guy some minutes, these short rotations are just murder for fans.

http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/knicks/reserve_brown_talks_to_walsh_about_rlNlBEq3e0Z5AM5H2agAiL#ixzz1H2nfY5Z6

I agree. Since the trade, our team plays as well and as poorly as before the trade. At least before the trade we had hopes of our young guys improving. Derrick is a FA after this season. If he is unhappy, he will just sign with someone else. Give Derrick a chance.....he is part of our future.
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3/19/2011  8:40 AM
Markji wrote:
earthmansurfer wrote:I really want to see the kid play. And apparently he is a part of our future considering our salary cap problems. Coach - give the guy some minutes, these short rotations are just murder for fans.

http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/knicks/reserve_brown_talks_to_walsh_about_rlNlBEq3e0Z5AM5H2agAiL#ixzz1H2nfY5Z6

I agree. Since the trade, our team plays as well and as poorly as before the trade. At least before the trade we had hopes of our young guys improving. Derrick is a FA after this season. If he is unhappy, he will just sign with someone else. Give Derrick a chance.....he is part of our future.

I think we have his rights (to match), just like with our 2nd round picks. I might be wrong, I'm not sure if things change once a player is cut or waived. If he is a FA there is no way he would come back, zero chance. But, I do think we have his rights, but even so, he wouldn't want to be here if he isn't getting playing time. We have a gutted roster and a guy we almost drafted who now has fallen into our laps with 2 years of experience. He was actually playing pretty well in Charlotte and he gets zilch here. He needs to be in the rotation.

It's true what you said, we as fans had fun watching the team grow and now we are between a rock and a hard place. The thing I don't get is that we are short talent and we pick him up when he was planning on going back to his old team, so since we did "the right thing" with Brewer, what the hell are we doing with Brown??? It's not like we are world beaters.

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3/19/2011  8:44 AM
this is the same old same old with this administration. we did it with randolph, hill, darko, douglas for a long time. maybe even mason.
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3/19/2011  10:18 AM    LAST EDITED: 3/19/2011  10:20 AM
Marv wrote:this is the same old same old with this administration. we did it with randolph, hill, darko, douglas for a long time. maybe even mason.

Well TD played right away pretty much out of necessity; the rest I agree with. I can't believe this has much if anything to do with Donnie -- he brought these guys in here. Donnie says the right things publicly and always backs up this guy 100% (Mike on the other hand had a chance not too long ago to reciprocate the same loyalty and failed to fully commit which showed me a ton ) but inside, you know there are times he's been frustrated with coach just like the rest of us esp when it comes to personnel issues. You know Donnie wanted to see all these young guys intergrated at some point... Expectations have gone up -- it's almost to the point that if we don't secure both of those things (the 6th seed AND the better draft pick over the Rockets), playoffs or not, it's a pretty big failure..Like it or not, if we falter down the stretch here, I think Mike could be gone. Can't say I'd be too upset at this point.. I think it might be time for a fresh perspective on the bench..

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3/19/2011  10:24 AM
Another reason why I'm tired of D'Antoni. People who can't see how horrible he is are blind.
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3/19/2011  10:45 AM
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3/19/2011  11:07 AM
Guy seemed happy where he was and expected to be back with the Bobcats. I can see why he is annoyed... he just wants to play.

If we really wanted the guy we could have competed for him when he became a FA. Instead you now have a situation where Brown will probably not want to resign with us.

Of course I don't know if he's worth keeping because I haven't had much of a chance to see him play.

You figure that the minutes he might get go to S. Williams and now Mason, since I think Brown might be able to play the 2 in certain circumstances. (Mason looks better than in the beginning of the year, but has hardly been burning the nets since rising from the dead.)

As always- none of us know what is going on when the Knicks practice, or how Brown looks, but I thought he had worked on his outside shot, he's said to be a capable defender on the ball, can finish on a break, and I don't think he's a selfish player.

Definitely a disconnect between Donnie and MDA.

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3/19/2011  11:13 AM
Paladin55 wrote:Guy seemed happy where he was and expected to be back with the Bobcats. I can see why he is annoyed... he just wants to play.

If we really wanted the guy we could have competed for him when he became a FA. Instead you now have a situation where Brown will probably not want to resign with us.

Of course I don't know if he's worth keeping because I haven't had much of a chance to see him play.

You figure that the minutes he might get go to S. Williams and now Mason, since I think Brown might be able to play the 2 in certain circumstances. (Mason looks better than in the beginning of the year, but has hardly been burning the nets since rising from the dead.)

As always- none of us know what is going on when the Knicks practice, or how Brown looks, but I thought he had worked on his outside shot, he's said to be a capable defender on the ball, can finish on a break, and I don't think he's a selfish player.

Definitely a disconnect between Donnie and MDA.

We couldn't have really competed as he would have been restricted and we wouldn't have wanted to pay much to be honest, as to preserve our salary cap. But what I was asking before is that I think we now have his rights (to match up to the MLE). Does anyone know if this is still true?

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3/19/2011  12:52 PM
Marv wrote:this is the same old same old with this administration. we did it with randolph, hill, darko, douglas for a long time. maybe even mason.

wow, I am a little surprised at this reaction.

Is there a little bit of a numbers game for DBrown? Who is an undersized PF or a SF with no offensive game. You already know the guys who are ahead of him in the rotation.

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3/19/2011  1:02 PM
He will just leave as a Free Agent this summer.

No one likes sitting on the bench.

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3/19/2011  1:30 PM
D'Antoni seems to have made up his mind on the new players from Denver not named Chauncey Billups and Carmelo Anthony and none of them are in. Shelden Williams, Renaldo Balkman and Anthony Carter are not in the current rotation.
I think that Brown may have realized that he is an untouchable who will not get to play.
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3/19/2011  3:09 PM
we bought out a guy because we couldn't guarantee him minutes then claim a guy off waivers that doesn't wanna be here because he's not getting any minutes... why the hell DW continues to bring guys in that get no run from his head coach is mindboggling to me.
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3/19/2011  3:13 PM
TMS wrote:we bought out a guy because we couldn't guarantee him minutes then claim a guy off waivers that doesn't wanna be here because he's not getting any minutes... why the hell DW continues to bring guys in that get no run from his head coach is mindboggling to me.

pretty sure Brown was brought in with next year in mind.

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3/19/2011  3:22 PM
martin wrote:
TMS wrote:we bought out a guy because we couldn't guarantee him minutes then claim a guy off waivers that doesn't wanna be here because he's not getting any minutes... why the hell DW continues to bring guys in that get no run from his head coach is mindboggling to me.

pretty sure Brown was brought in with next year in mind.

Which means what? Will we be worse next year? I'm not directing this at you Martin, it just makes stupid sense how this coach has been doing things. Even though AR and way back when Hill weren't ready, 10 minutes a game won't really hurt. If they THEN don't perform, they can't argue with sitting, as all the fans got to see it too. But the way the coach has done things frustrates the fans and players alike. Especially this year with the overworking of players due to the small rotation. (Ok, we are not deep now, but when we had more of a bench he was very reluctant to use it.)

Anyway, I'm pretty sure if we pick a waivered player that we now own his Gilbert rights. So, technically Brown is going anywhere next year unless we want him to (by not matching). I just don't see any team outside of Charlotte offering him more than 1 million or so, that we can do.

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3/19/2011  3:34 PM
i can understand him wanting to play but i think he should be happy to be on this team. its the new york knicks, it should be a privilege to play here!

on that super fan note, the man should get some pt! now!

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3/19/2011  3:35 PM
earthmansurfer wrote:
martin wrote:
TMS wrote:we bought out a guy because we couldn't guarantee him minutes then claim a guy off waivers that doesn't wanna be here because he's not getting any minutes... why the hell DW continues to bring guys in that get no run from his head coach is mindboggling to me.

pretty sure Brown was brought in with next year in mind.

Which means what? Will we be worse next year? I'm not directing this at you Martin, it just makes stupid sense how this coach has been doing things. Even though AR and way back when Hill weren't ready, 10 minutes a game won't really hurt. If they THEN don't perform, they can't argue with sitting, as all the fans got to see it too. But the way the coach has done things frustrates the fans and players alike. Especially this year with the overworking of players due to the small rotation. (Ok, we are not deep now, but when we had more of a bench he was very reluctant to use it.)

Anyway, I'm pretty sure if we pick a waivered player that we now own his Gilbert rights. So, technically Brown is going anywhere next year unless we want him to (by not matching). I just don't see any team outside of Charlotte offering him more than 1 million or so, that we can do.

it means that perhaps he is decent enough of a player but they just dont have rotation minutes for him right now. he's a PF, an undersized one.

MDA's first priority is getting Amare, Melo, Chauncey on the same page. After that you add other players.

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3/19/2011  3:39 PM
How many people are we gonna try to blend into this thing with so little time left!!!!! Give me a freakin break. We already have chemistry issues and now we're making a big deal over a 2nd yr kid with no real rep yet in the league, not getting playing time. He's even lower on the totem pole than Brewer! He needs to shut up and sit. There's some serious man business going on right now and he's in no position to be making demands. Kids used to come in the league and spoke when spoken to. Now they all think they should be playing over vets who have more experience and game.

This team and this coach have been thru more change than I think i've ever seen in my life. This is all virgin ground and no one can say how well any coach would do in the same situation. He hasn't had one season where he could coach a roster from start to finish and come back the next year to see that team grow to the next level. Now we throw a bunch of guys at him, most of whom don't fit what we do and expect perfection with very few games and little practice time. This kid needs to sit tight and be quiet. He was getting playing time on a losing team. This is a different situation entirely.

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3/19/2011  3:54 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/19/2011  3:56 PM
earthmansurfer wrote:
martin wrote:
TMS wrote:we bought out a guy because we couldn't guarantee him minutes then claim a guy off waivers that doesn't wanna be here because he's not getting any minutes... why the hell DW continues to bring guys in that get no run from his head coach is mindboggling to me.

pretty sure Brown was brought in with next year in mind.

Which means what? Will we be worse next year? I'm not directing this at you Martin, it just makes stupid sense how this coach has been doing things. Even though AR and way back when Hill weren't ready, 10 minutes a game won't really hurt. If they THEN don't perform, they can't argue with sitting, as all the fans got to see it too. But the way the coach has done things frustrates the fans and players alike. Especially this year with the overworking of players due to the small rotation. (Ok, we are not deep now, but when we had more of a bench he was very reluctant to use it.)

Anyway, I'm pretty sure if we pick a waivered player that we now own his Gilbert rights. So, technically Brown is going anywhere next year unless we want him to (by not matching). I just don't see any team outside of Charlotte offering him more than 1 million or so, that we can do.

i think mike's philosophy on pt is ride the hot hand and play the vets (or guys that play like vets). he is not afraid to play you a lot of mins as he probably thinks athletes should be able to handle the load with excellent conditioning. he plays to win.

now, we are losing. we are not playing well in these loses. players are becoming frustrated with each other. the defense is at best ok (for not having a true center). i think we will still make the playoffs (we better! 2 superstars!) so we should be playing this 6-8 forward at least sparingly.

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3/19/2011  3:56 PM
Man this kid will get his chance, but he's crazy to think that he should be promised any playing time. Just shut up and stay ready. He's not even recognizing that he's in a much better situation being on this team with a chance to actually do something. We have a great core to try and build a title team around and he could be a part of it.
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