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RonRon
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2/6/2004  7:28 AM
I was watching nba tv yesterday on direct tv, i think it was vecsy or whatever his name was...
he says rasheeds agent told everyone not to trade for rasheed because he wants to come to new york, therefore pushing portland to trade him to new york. No team would want to trade for rasheed and give up much in return....however, portland wants to gain something if they feel they are going to trade rasheed.

so from the looks of it the options are:
portland recieving less value for sheed from another team besides knicks/also possibly taking back a bad contract for star value
a 3 team or possibly bigger blockbuster /straight deal with knicks which is thikn is unlikely

i think sheed and his agent is just saying this stuff because they are pushing for a trade, but if he really wants to play for NY and is willingt to except the midlevl excep, hes really a big steal.
i can also imagine him getting some minutes at center, if KT can do it, i dont see why he cant...(if he has the heart...)
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2/6/2004  8:19 AM
Not too shoot you down man...

I didnt see it but I can tell you vecsy is about as non-credible with his "sources" as you can get.

Also, we go through this every year with some superstar who we think is going to sign for the mle just to play here.

These players today dont care about anything else but cash.

Again, anything can happen.
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2/6/2004  8:21 AM
Posted by RonRon:

if he really wants to play for NY and is willing to except the midlevl excep, hes really a big steal.
i can also imagine him getting some minutes at center, if KT can do it, i dont see why he cant

There's still a good chance that things can happen that way. If Isiah can pull that off, it'll be like "Messiah Thomas Does It Again!!!" headlines and threadlines all over the place.
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2/6/2004  9:18 AM
If we sign sheed for the MLE, then fine I can live wit that, just as long as we dont end up trading big for him.
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2/6/2004  9:39 AM

If Portland cannot do a trade, which the ones offered them are not that great, or cannot do a sign and trade that makes them better, then Sheed can walk.

Not many teams are going to offer a great player or two to match 17 mil in salary, nor would many be attractive to Portland. Lets face it, KVH is a nice player, but not at those prices to the blazers.
NVE is a nice player, but that kind of money with those knees, I doubt it. Dampier can opt out, and it looks like his career year is tied to it, so he can't be trusted with a new extenstion.

H20 to portland? Too much contract.

SO Sheed can walk! But he does not take his Bird rights with him, which means he can sign with teams below the cap (teams not desirble to him, nor they to him), orchestrate a sign and trade for more than the MLE (doable) or portland lets him walk to gain financial control of the team. As I said, the MLE is only what teams over the cap can offer him, and if he wants to play where he wants to play and thats a priority over the big bucks, then Knicks are an option.

I would prefer that over a trade. I would rather use those assets for a center, or for Rodney white. I like KVH off the bench to play either PF or SF, and if he is hot, let him streak. IF not, we then have depth. DOleac cold be resigned, and we have the old man still around one more year jif we can't swing a deal for him.

Just no more draft pick trades. Please.
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2/6/2004  11:35 AM
I think if Rasheed gets traded, it will be to a team that is looking to dump him after the year for financial reasons. At this point, I'm very confident that by next year we will have on our team. Signing Rasheed for the MLE would be incredible because we can still pull off another trade with the other trading chips we have.

Marbury
Houston
Van Horn
Rasheed
Mutombo

That lineup would be the best in the East and then we could use Kurt along with Frankie or even Doleac to try to land a true Center, such as Dampier or even Camby (if the Nuggets would ever give him back to us).
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2/6/2004  1:31 PM
You guys are optimistic, I'll give you that. Still history has shown, especially with the Knicks... When these players are out there yammerin on about how they want to play here they sign elsewhere for more money.

This guy will get offered more than the mle by someone.
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2/6/2004  2:07 PM
I agree, Weed is probably using this as leverage to determine where he goes. I can't believe that he would take the MLE considering he nick named himself "CTC" (Cut the check). You never know, it's good conversation but let's not hold our breath.
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2/6/2004  2:29 PM
Posted by jhferry:

You guys are optimistic, I'll give you that. Still history has shown, especially with the Knicks... When these players are out there yammerin on about how they want to play here they sign elsewhere for more money.

This guy will get offered more than the mle by someone.
The only teams that can offer him more than the MLE are the teams that he does not want to got to. The Knicks can offer Rasheed the MLE for 1 year, then if they like how he fits with the team they can offer him a contract extension worth a lot more money. Believe me, he will not lose that much money by signing with the Knicks than signing with a team that can offer him more in the free-agent market.
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2/6/2004  3:06 PM
Posted by s3231:

The Knicks can offer Rasheed the MLE for 1 year, then if they like how he fits with the team they can offer him a contract extension worth a lot more money.

Actually the Knicks can't do that. To get his 'bird rights' and a contract that exceeds the cap he has to sign a 3 year deal first with the Knicks.
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2/6/2004  3:21 PM
Posted by Andrew:
Posted by s3231:

The Knicks can offer Rasheed the MLE for 1 year, then if they like how he fits with the team they can offer him a contract extension worth a lot more money.

Actually the Knicks can't do that. To get his 'bird rights' and a contract that exceeds the cap he has to sign a 3 year deal first with the Knicks.
Yea I forgot about the bird rights, so I guess we need to trade for him...
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2/7/2004  9:40 AM
THe worse thing that could happen for the knicks is Weed getting ready to sign the MLE but N.j comes in and offers Kenyon Martin for Weed..

Portland agrees and does a sign-n-trade with NJ. Oooohhhhhhhh, that will pissed off ZEKE.. I betcha NJ gets Rasheed. We all know Weed is from Philly which is only 90min away for NJ. WATCH!!!!
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2/7/2004  10:34 PM
Are you kidding me? I don't care what you think of the Brooklyn Nets (I'm getting ready to start rooting for them, I admit.) No way they'd trade Kenyon for Weed, unless he was sharing his stuff w/ Rod Thorn.

Kenyon is a rising star. An all-star this year. Incredible defender. Improving offensive game. Athleticism fits in perfectly on the Nets. Full of heart. He's the second best player on a team that's gone to the finals two straight years. Weed's the second best power forward on a team that can't get past the first round. And Kenyon has gotten better every year and is still improving. Why would the Nets trade him for Weed, who's past his prime, never came close to hitting his potential, and is a selfish loser.

Can't think of much better for the Knicks than their cross-river rival (East river) making such a stupid deal. Then they don't get tempted into giving up too much for Weed. He's worth the MLE next year, or a salary dump (KVH) now, but not much more.
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2/8/2004  1:40 PM
Most people are judging RASHEED's game while he's playing in the talented west. Put him on a eastern conf team and watch him dominate and earn max money. If K. Mart is doing his dominate act in the east with out a 3pt shot, what do you think Wallace would do with one in his arsenal????
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2/8/2004  2:21 PM
I don't think Rasheed would be able to put much better numbers on any team. Who knows what drives that crazy mofo. It's tough to tell what motivates him. They like to say that he has the physical gifts of a Kevin Garnett.

Well, this amazing talent has never averaged more than 19.3ppg... and for strong, athletic all-world talent, he has never averaged double figure rebounds, let alone 9, or even 8.5rpg.

For the MLE, he's great. While the talent may be there, it has never been fully utilized... so he must be judged on his accomplishments, not his potential.

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2/8/2004  3:01 PM
Tech what you forget is many NBA players are more concerned about winning a title in their latter yrs. I believe Rasheed would be dominate in the Eastern Conf compared to the west, as a seasoned vet he has always been on disfunctionl but talented teams in Portland.

[Edited by - playa2 on 02/08/2004 16:16:00]
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2/9/2004  1:27 AM
I don't know if he'd dominate--- I just don't think that's his mindset. I'd imagine we'd see more of the 17ppg/7rpg numbers we've seen his whole career if he was on the Knicks. He'd likely defer to Marbury, Houston, KVH, and Thomas on offense.

I suppose what should be distressing to all is that his numbers have been dropping for the last 2 seasons while averaging 36-37mpg.

He was a nutty guy at UNC, he's been a nutty guy in Washington & Porland... there's no reason to believe his enigmatic personality wouldn't follow him at his next destination.

That's not to say that he wouldn't help us. He'd give us a nice low post threat on offense (when motivated)-- and a long athlete on the wing. He doesn't play like a #1 (or #2) scoring threat. It's not his game.
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2/9/2004  5:42 PM
Posted by technomaster:

I don't know if he'd dominate--- I just don't think that's his mindset. I'd imagine we'd see more of the 17ppg/7rpg numbers we've seen his whole career if he was on the Knicks. He'd likely defer to Marbury, Houston, KVH, and Thomas on offense.

I suppose what should be distressing to all is that his numbers have been dropping for the last 2 seasons while averaging 36-37mpg.

He was a nutty guy at UNC, he's been a nutty guy in Washington & Porland... there's no reason to believe his enigmatic personality wouldn't follow him at his next destination.

That's not to say that he wouldn't help us. He'd give us a nice low post threat on offense (when motivated)-- and a long athlete on the wing. He doesn't play like a #1 (or #2) scoring threat. It's not his game.

So you don't think Zeke bringing him in wouldn't change his tude? Look how dirty kurty has changed from acting a fool . I think he would do well , but I don't believe he's coming. We should have got him 1st and then went after Marbury.
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2/9/2004  6:01 PM
Posted by playa2:
Posted by technomaster:

I don't know if he'd dominate--- I just don't think that's his mindset. I'd imagine we'd see more of the 17ppg/7rpg numbers we've seen his whole career if he was on the Knicks. He'd likely defer to Marbury, Houston, KVH, and Thomas on offense.

I suppose what should be distressing to all is that his numbers have been dropping for the last 2 seasons while averaging 36-37mpg.

He was a nutty guy at UNC, he's been a nutty guy in Washington & Porland... there's no reason to believe his enigmatic personality wouldn't follow him at his next destination.

That's not to say that he wouldn't help us. He'd give us a nice low post threat on offense (when motivated)-- and a long athlete on the wing. He doesn't play like a #1 (or #2) scoring threat. It's not his game.

So you don't think Zeke bringing him in wouldn't change his tude? Look how dirty kurty has changed from acting a fool . I think he would do well , but I don't believe he's coming. We should have got him 1st and then went after Marbury.

Just stop already. There was no way we couldve traded for Weed. You are wrong we had nothing to offer for him. He had a totlally differnet contract than marbury. You are an idiot and deserve to be banned becuase you keep repeating the same stupid ideas.
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2/9/2004  6:06 PM
Dice ending contract along with WARD AND 2 #1 picks WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT. You need to sac up and recognize son.
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