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Amare's legs are shot right now, no explosion
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martin
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3/16/2011  10:22 AM
Surprised this has not been mentioned more often, or perhaps it has during GameThreads and I missed.

Dude has zero lift. Doesn't really dunk the ball any more, and when taking the ball to the rim I don't see that aggressiveness that was there at the beginning of the year. layup after layup and jumpshot after jumpshot.

Hansbrough made Amare look like he was standing still all the time; he looked like Amare 5 years ago.

Amare's defense is for crap. He has no idea how to defend the PnR or how to box out or take a charge or how to rotate, and quite frankly, he gives little effort on defense in general.

Remember when it was a block party early in the season? Not that much any more. He gets blocks here and there but they are not the same variety.

Knicks have a ton of games in March and Amare's rebounding and block numbers are down, which are hustle and effort stats.

Everyone is noticing this, right? I am not sure why the beat writers have not called this out in their reports cause it's completely obvious. Started about 2 months ago and for the last month he has been wearing those thigh-high stockings. Could be the result of him getting knocked in the knees earlier in the year.

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3/16/2011  10:25 AM
Im not seeing that. He could be dialing it back a tad for the playoffs though.

No need to try to dunk though defenders at this point.

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3/16/2011  10:25 AM
just another thing to blame the coach for... oh god. Imagine we ride this guy into the ground and are left w/ Melo and no assets.
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3/16/2011  10:29 AM
I agree martin. Felton got ran into the ground too.
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3/16/2011  10:29 AM
AnubisADL wrote:Im not seeing that. He could be dialing it back a tad for the playoffs though.

No need to try to dunk though defenders at this point.

for like the first 2 or 3 months of the season, Amare would try to dunk every shot he could, and generally that's been his MO for his career. He doesn't do that any more, and usually that's a sign that his legs aren't right. Amare never does a layup when he can dunk.

You know how KG will goal-tend a shot after a foul has been called and it's obvious the refs won't give the offensive player a continuation? Or he makes sure the player doesnt see the ball go in the hoop after he shoots after the timeout whistle? Amare did that at the beginning of this year too, probably for a show of intimidation and leadership on the defensive side of the court. Well, he doesn't do that any more. He is too tired, no legs.

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3/16/2011  10:31 AM
fishmike wrote:just another thing to blame the coach for... oh god. Imagine we ride this guy into the ground and are left w/ Melo and no assets.

Jerry Sloan is available. And so will Phil Jackson's assistants once he retires

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3/16/2011  10:32 AM
SupremeCommander wrote:I agree martin. Felton got ran into the ground too.

I don't know if it's the run into the ground thing or just cause he's hurt, I guess it could be either.

Amare has played at this pace for these minutes for PHO, so nothing new; obviously not Felton. But yes, Felton seemed a tad shot too.

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3/16/2011  10:32 AM
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fishmike wrote:just another thing to blame the coach for... oh god. Imagine we ride this guy into the ground and are left w/ Melo and no assets.

Jerry Sloan is available. And so will Phil Jackson's assistants once he retires

I am still holding out hope that Phil Jackson's ego mixed with offseason boredom will convince him to come be our savior.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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3/16/2011  10:34 AM
martin wrote:Surprised this has not been mentioned more often, or perhaps it has during GameThreads and I missed.

Dude has zero lift. Doesn't really dunk the ball any more, and when taking the ball to the rim I don't see that aggressiveness that was there at the beginning of the year. layup after layup and jumpshot after jumpshot.

Hansbrough made Amare look like he was standing still all the time; he looked like Amare 5 years ago.

Amare's defense is for crap. He has no idea how to defend the PnR or how to box out or take a charge or how to rotate, and quite frankly, he gives little effort on defense in general.

Remember when it was a block party early in the season? Not that much any more. He gets blocks here and there but they are not the same variety.

Knicks have a ton of games in March and Amare's rebounding and block numbers are down, which are hustle and effort stats.

Everyone is noticing this, right? I am not sure why the beat writers have not called this out in their reports cause it's completely obvious. Started about 2 months ago and for the last month he has been wearing those thigh-high stockings. Could be the result of him getting knocked in the knees earlier in the year.

I absolutely agree and mentioned it elsewhere. I find myself wanting him to shoot from the outside - hes been deadly. When he drives lately, he is not really beating anyone, turning the ball over and taking some wild shots. Definitely looks tired.

I still love the guy.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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3/16/2011  10:36 AM
mreinman wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:
fishmike wrote:just another thing to blame the coach for... oh god. Imagine we ride this guy into the ground and are left w/ Melo and no assets.

Jerry Sloan is available. And so will Phil Jackson's assistants once he retires

I am still holding out hope that Phil Jackson's ego mixed with offseason boredom will convince him to come be our savior.

don't hold your breathe. Jackson knows he can't win without certain types of players on the team, and that's all he wants to do. This isn't a shot at Jackson so much as just the reality in which he likes to coach, which is smart. If the Knicks were to get Dwight Howard in 2012, you would see his name pop up, but that's it.

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3/16/2011  10:36 AM
AnubisADL wrote:Im not seeing that. He could be dialing it back a tad for the playoffs though.

No need to try to dunk though defenders at this point.

"Dialing it back for the playoffs?"

Is that like running at three quarter speed? Or measuring exactly how much energy is required to reach the rim?

Or is "Dialing it back" just another word for coasting?

None of those are acceptable. You go 100 per cent or you sit.

One thing is certain, as martin observes, when the season started Amare wore no protective padding (or support hose) on his legs. Now he is wrapped like The Mummy.

Not a good sign or fashion statement.

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3/16/2011  10:37 AM
mreinman wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:
fishmike wrote:just another thing to blame the coach for... oh god. Imagine we ride this guy into the ground and are left w/ Melo and no assets.

Jerry Sloan is available. And so will Phil Jackson's assistants once he retires

I am still holding out hope that Phil Jackson's ego mixed with offseason boredom will convince him to come be our savior.

I honestly would prefer a younger guy. Someone with drive and hunger. I know that can blow up in your face. But, at the same time, poeple who really wants to make a name for themselves in NYC would be awesome.

Brian Shaw is probably Jackson's top assistant. But there may be some synergy with Donnie selecting the former PAcer Chuck Person (I don't believe Donnie drafted him, but did coach him).

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3/16/2011  10:37 AM
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AnubisADL wrote:Im not seeing that. He could be dialing it back a tad for the playoffs though.

No need to try to dunk though defenders at this point.

"Dialing it back for the playoffs?"

Is that like running at three quarter speed? Or measuring exactly how much energy is required to reach the rim?

Or is "Dialing it back" just another word for coasting?

None of those are acceptable. You go 100 per cent or you sit.

One thing is certain, as martin observes, when the season started Amare wore no protective padding (or support hose) on his legs. Now he is wrapped like The Mummy.

Not a good sign or fashion statement.

right. Amare does not dial back. In fact, he doesnt even know what that means, except when he plays defense.

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3/16/2011  10:39 AM
SupremeCommander wrote:
mreinman wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:
fishmike wrote:just another thing to blame the coach for... oh god. Imagine we ride this guy into the ground and are left w/ Melo and no assets.

Jerry Sloan is available. And so will Phil Jackson's assistants once he retires

I am still holding out hope that Phil Jackson's ego mixed with offseason boredom will convince him to come be our savior.

I honestly would prefer a younger guy. Someone with drive and hunger. I know that can blow up in your face. But, at the same time, poeple who really wants to make a name for themselves in NYC would be awesome.

Brian Shaw is probably Jackson's top assistant. But there may be some synergy with Donnie selecting the former PAcer Chuck Person (I don't believe Donnie drafted him, but did coach him).

I see what you mean ... someone like Monty Williams.

So you honestly would prefer not to have Phil Jax?

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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3/16/2011  10:42 AM
mreinman wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:
mreinman wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:
fishmike wrote:just another thing to blame the coach for... oh god. Imagine we ride this guy into the ground and are left w/ Melo and no assets.

Jerry Sloan is available. And so will Phil Jackson's assistants once he retires

I am still holding out hope that Phil Jackson's ego mixed with offseason boredom will convince him to come be our savior.

I honestly would prefer a younger guy. Someone with drive and hunger. I know that can blow up in your face. But, at the same time, poeple who really wants to make a name for themselves in NYC would be awesome.

Brian Shaw is probably Jackson's top assistant. But there may be some synergy with Donnie selecting the former PAcer Chuck Person (I don't believe Donnie drafted him, but did coach him).

I see what you mean ... someone like Monty Williams.

So you honestly would prefer not to have Phil Jax?

for this team right no, yes... if the roster becomes a finished product and (as mentioned above) Dwight Howard joins the Knicks, then i would want Phil to coach here. But if he came here with this roster he might not give 100 percent or just retire.

It's not that I don't want him. Just honestly don't think he's the best fit at this stage of his career. The situation has Larry Brown potential

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3/16/2011  10:44 AM
but I do want his coaching methods employed here... which is why I'd interview his assistants
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3/16/2011  10:47 AM
SupremeCommander wrote:
mreinman wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:
mreinman wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:
fishmike wrote:just another thing to blame the coach for... oh god. Imagine we ride this guy into the ground and are left w/ Melo and no assets.

Jerry Sloan is available. And so will Phil Jackson's assistants once he retires

I am still holding out hope that Phil Jackson's ego mixed with offseason boredom will convince him to come be our savior.

I honestly would prefer a younger guy. Someone with drive and hunger. I know that can blow up in your face. But, at the same time, poeple who really wants to make a name for themselves in NYC would be awesome.

Brian Shaw is probably Jackson's top assistant. But there may be some synergy with Donnie selecting the former PAcer Chuck Person (I don't believe Donnie drafted him, but did coach him).

I see what you mean ... someone like Monty Williams.

So you honestly would prefer not to have Phil Jax?

for this team right no, yes... if the roster becomes a finished product and (as mentioned above) Dwight Howard joins the Knicks, then i would want Phil to coach here. But if he came here with this roster he might not give 100 percent or just retire.

It's not that I don't want him. Just honestly don't think he's the best fit at this stage of his career. The situation has Larry Brown potential

Good points. But please - no Mark Jackson or Patrick Ewing ...

I like Shaw but I think he will be Jacksons successor and he isnt giving up the laker job for this cesspool. A defensive minded assistant like Thibs and Mcmillan were would be nice.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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3/16/2011  10:50 AM
I have noticed this but I think this has something to do with the dings he has been getting.
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3/16/2011  11:01 AM
martin wrote:
mreinman wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:
fishmike wrote:just another thing to blame the coach for... oh god. Imagine we ride this guy into the ground and are left w/ Melo and no assets.

Jerry Sloan is available. And so will Phil Jackson's assistants once he retires

I am still holding out hope that Phil Jackson's ego mixed with offseason boredom will convince him to come be our savior.

don't hold your breathe. Jackson knows he can't win without certain types of players on the team, and that's all he wants to do. This isn't a shot at Jackson so much as just the reality in which he likes to coach, which is smart. If the Knicks were to get Dwight Howard in 2012, you would see his name pop up, but that's it.

exactly what I was going to say. Jax has a legacy and its coaching stars to titles. There is zero chance he comes here without a star bigman.

Although the triangle would look with this current team.

Does anyone see a young guy like Montry Williams doing well here? All a guy like that will do is cater to the star players.

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3/16/2011  11:12 AM    LAST EDITED: 3/16/2011  11:52 AM
martin wrote:Surprised this has not been mentioned more often, or perhaps it has during GameThreads and I missed.

Dude has zero lift. Doesn't really dunk the ball any more, and when taking the ball to the rim I don't see that aggressiveness that was there at the beginning of the year. layup after layup and jumpshot after jumpshot.

Hansbrough made Amare look like he was standing still all the time; he looked like Amare 5 years ago.

Amare's defense is for crap. He has no idea how to defend the PnR or how to box out or take a charge or how to rotate, and quite frankly, he gives little effort on defense in general.

Remember when it was a block party early in the season? Not that much any more. He gets blocks here and there but they are not the same variety.

Knicks have a ton of games in March and Amare's rebounding and block numbers are down, which are hustle and effort stats.

Everyone is noticing this, right? I am not sure why the beat writers have not called this out in their reports cause it's completely obvious. Started about 2 months ago and for the last month he has been wearing those thigh-high stockings. Could be the result of him getting knocked in the knees earlier in the year.


If you go back to around Mid December actually fans were complaining about the coach burning guys out(playing them 40min/gm+) when he wasn't using a bench hardly at all. Matter of fact there was discussion about trends around that same time of year since he's been here.... seeing the team kind of fade end of December early January. Then Amar'e had a leg injury in late December I believe and Felton looked like he was running on fumes, Chandler's game plummeted thereafter(maybe due to rumors) although he suffered a leg injury in early January.

The sign bball heads look for if a player is declining if they get their shot blocked a lot....ironically both Amar'e and Melo are getting their ish pushed in quite often this year. They're losing their athleticism. Good thing for Amar'e he decided to go in Chris Webber mode early to adjust.


That's why you have or need a bench, if for nothing else truly develop one. This coach never spent time trying to solidify his bench and we're paying for it now.

Amare's legs are shot right now, no explosion

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