nykshaknbake wrote:Y'know that Melo character not a winner and just likes to whine. DIdn't Amare once complain about MDAs defensive coaching? He's just a little bitch who whines because he's uncoachable and all me first. The problem is the othe other players look up to them and so they all refuse to play the great MDA defensive strategy. MDA tried to make adjustments but they told him to fuk off.

This is complete BS. Melo is NOT the problem. Melo is a winner, he won at Syracuse, he won at Denver. The roster is unbalanced right now. Another "fan" who likes to hate and complain. Talk about a whinner, look in the mirror.

nykshaknbake wrote:Look at my pervious posts before you post. I was being sarcastic. I corrected your post. You're welcome :)

BigRedDog wrote:

nykshaknbake wrote:Y'know that Melo character not a winner and just likes to whine. DIdn't Amare once complain about MDAs defensive coaching? He's just a little bitch who whines because he's uncoachable and all me first. The problem is the othe other players look up to them and so they all refuse to play the great MDA defensive strategy. MDA tried to make adjustments but they told him to fuk off.

This is complete BS. Melo is NOT the problem. Melo is a winner, he won at Syracuse, he won at Denver. The roster is unbalanced right now. Another "fan" who likes to hate and complain. Talk about a whinner, look in the mirror.

haha - I had to do a double take myself before I realized the sarcasm.

fishmike wrote:how about if Amare and Diva actually guarded anyone ever we wouldnt have to deal with last second shots because we arent getting lit up nightly by Tyler Hansbrough.

Well maybe if he played Corey Brewer who can actually play D or maybe give Sheldon Williams a little burn being that no one else could stop Hibbert why not give him a shot. Or maybe he doesn't advise his team to funnel everyone baseline when he knows that no one is waiting to help. Or maybe after a bad loss where there was no defense attempted whatsoever, he should not talk about shots shots shots after the game when he should be talking about defense defense defense or boxing out? It's always about push the ball, shots, 3's (30 of them) were not falling.

Why should Amare or Melo play Defense if the coach could care less. They need to shoot and fast and run and shoot. Defense? No need on this team. Oh, how about a timeley Time Out here and there? An in game adjusment once a month would be an improvement.

This is to the point where its akin to defending Ray Handley.

fishmike wrote:

mreinman wrote:

fishmike wrote:how about if Amare and Diva actually guarded anyone ever we wouldnt have to deal with last second shots because we arent getting lit up nightly by Tyler Hansbrough.

Well maybe if he played Corey Brewer who can actually play D or maybe give Sheldon Williams a little burn being that no one else could stop Hibbert why not give him a shot. Or maybe he doesn't advise his team to funnel everyone baseline when he knows that no one is waiting to help. Or maybe after a bad loss where there was no defense attempted whatsoever, he should not talk about shots shots shots after the game when he should be talking about defense defense defense or boxing out? It's always about push the ball, shots, 3's (30 of them) were not falling.

Why should Amare or Melo play Defense if the coach could care less. They need to shoot and fast and run and shoot. Defense? No need on this team.

This is to the point where its akin to defending Ray Handley.

these guys are pros... maybe MDA should take Melo and Amare aside for some one on one coaching on how to box out? Maybe he should bring them into his office and "talk" about playing harder on defense? How do you think that conversation is going to go?

Seriously dude... Ive enjoyed reading a lot of your posts but this talk is silly. Sheldon Williams is terrible and has had a terrible NBA career but its OUR coaches fault for not playing him? Thats your answer?

Wake up. We have two high scoring forwards who have ALWAYS been suspect defenders. Now its the coaches fault because they dont play defense? Just like it was the coaches fault for not getting Marbury to be a better team player.

Melo's last coach said he didnt play much defense also didnt he? You know Williams, Douglas and JJ play? Because they defend (someone has too)

Hansbrough drops 50+ on Amare over two games but Sheldon Williams is the key. Your gonna have to better than that

You forgot Corey Brewer. Can you tell me why he could not even get a look? Jefferies sucks - and his defense is waaaay overrated. Douglass has been getting killed overplaying the press (thats on the coach because TD should be told how to pace himself in the press).

I am not saying that Sheldon Williams is a playa but if I was a coach, and nobody could stop the bigs, I would give the Janitor a shot - hell - what would I have to lose.

You make believe that the coach/coaches philosophy has zero to do with coaching defense. This, I would agree is true for MDA but for many coaches, this is not the case. And, we can blame the players until we choke but it's always on the coach! If Marbury was stinking up the joint what happened? The coach(es) got fired.

Its easy to say that a hitting coach doesn't go out and hit the ball, but when his team is batting below the Mendoza line, he goes. If a real estate agent is not selling houses because of a depressed market, he is history.

ACCOUNTABILITY - NO EXCUSES!

NYKBocker wrote:

mreinman wrote:

fishmike wrote:

mreinman wrote:

fishmike wrote:how about if Amare and Diva actually guarded anyone ever we wouldnt have to deal with last second shots because we arent getting lit up nightly by Tyler Hansbrough.

Well maybe if he played Corey Brewer who can actually play D or maybe give Sheldon Williams a little burn being that no one else could stop Hibbert why not give him a shot. Or maybe he doesn't advise his team to funnel everyone baseline when he knows that no one is waiting to help. Or maybe after a bad loss where there was no defense attempted whatsoever, he should not talk about shots shots shots after the game when he should be talking about defense defense defense or boxing out? It's always about push the ball, shots, 3's (30 of them) were not falling.

Why should Amare or Melo play Defense if the coach could care less. They need to shoot and fast and run and shoot. Defense? No need on this team.

This is to the point where its akin to defending Ray Handley.

these guys are pros... maybe MDA should take Melo and Amare aside for some one on one coaching on how to box out? Maybe he should bring them into his office and "talk" about playing harder on defense? How do you think that conversation is going to go?

Seriously dude... Ive enjoyed reading a lot of your posts but this talk is silly. Sheldon Williams is terrible and has had a terrible NBA career but its OUR coaches fault for not playing him? Thats your answer?

Wake up. We have two high scoring forwards who have ALWAYS been suspect defenders. Now its the coaches fault because they dont play defense? Just like it was the coaches fault for not getting Marbury to be a better team player.

Melo's last coach said he didnt play much defense also didnt he? You know Williams, Douglas and JJ play? Because they defend (someone has too)

Hansbrough drops 50+ on Amare over two games but Sheldon Williams is the key. Your gonna have to better than that

You forgot Corey Brewer. Can you tell me why he could not even get a look? Jefferies sucks - and his defense is waaaay overrated. Douglass has been getting killed overplaying the press (thats on the coach because TD should be told how to pace himself in the press).

I am not saying that Sheldon Williams is a playa but if I was a coach, and nobody could stop the bigs, I would give the Janitor a shot - hell - what would I have to lose.

You make believe that the coach/coaches philosophy has zero to do with coaching defense. This, I would agree is true for MDA but for many coaches, this is not the case. And, we can blame the players until we choke but it's always on the coach! If Marbury was stinking up the joint what happened? The coach(es) got fired.

Its easy to say that a hitting coach doesn't go out and hit the ball, but when his team is batting below the Mendoza line, he goes. If a real estate agent is not selling houses because of a depressed market, he is history.

ACCOUNTABILITY - NO EXCUSES!

Should that apply to players as well? Amare was scored on at will by Hansborough and Hibbert. Should he be benched? Melo not going for loose balls and rebounding in a better clip. Should he be benched? Putting Sheldon on Hibbert is not going to solve the problem. He is too short and Hibbert will just shoot over him. MDA made a call in that he would rather roll with what he trusts than going with Sheldon. You can't blame him on that.

There are two schools of thought on this board regarding Primary Responsibility:

1. Its on the Players
2. Its on the Coach

In all sports, it is significantly harder to fire the players than firing the coach. A coach has a job and that is to get his players to play hard. If the players screw the coach and loaf, that sucks for the coach that the player(s) don't have his back but that is life. He pays the ultimate price.

Fault is irrelevant at this point. If we could place all the blame on the players, then the Clippers would've had the same coach for 25 years since their players never gave a rats ass.

Papabear wrote:

BigRedDog wrote:

nykshaknbake wrote:Y'know that Melo character not a winner and just likes to whine. DIdn't Amare once complain about MDAs defensive coaching? He's just a little bitch who whines because he's uncoachable and all me first. The problem is the othe other players look up to them and so they all refuse to play the great MDA defensive strategy. MDA tried to make adjustments but they told him to fuk off.

This is complete BS. Melo is NOT the problem. Melo is a winner, he won at Syracuse, he won at Denver. The roster is unbalanced right now. Another "fan" who likes to hate and complain. Talk about a whinner, look in the mirror.

Papabear Says

I agree! The team is playing bad defense and you are throwing Melo under the bus. Melo Just came from a winning franchise and they were begging him to stay. It is not Melo. It's the system of the Knicks and the same old sorry coaches and an owner who is all about money and don't care about a championship.Don't blame Melo for our woes, the problems were here before he got here. We have no big men and D'Antoni don't beleive in big men. Just shoot the damn ball 3points 3points.We have Amare banging up against a 7ft2inch guy and then expect him to score 25 points. Every team know our defensive game plan and they just move the ball around to the open guy. It is so easy. D'Antoni can't teach defense thats why he left his other team with a good winning record. He had Nash to run his team with great shooters. But no good defense and when he was asked to change his system he walked.

I love when Papabear speaks the truth!

Papabear wrote:

BigRedDog wrote:

nykshaknbake wrote:Y'know that Melo character not a winner and just likes to whine. DIdn't Amare once complain about MDAs defensive coaching? He's just a little bitch who whines because he's uncoachable and all me first. The problem is the othe other players look up to them and so they all refuse to play the great MDA defensive strategy. MDA tried to make adjustments but they told him to fuk off.

This is complete BS. Melo is NOT the problem. Melo is a winner, he won at Syracuse, he won at Denver. The roster is unbalanced right now. Another "fan" who likes to hate and complain. Talk about a whinner, look in the mirror.

Papabear Says

I agree! The team is playing bad defense and you are throwing Melo under the bus. Melo Just came from a winning franchise and they were begging him to stay. It is not Melo. It's the system of the Knicks and the same old sorry coaches and an owner who is all about money and don't care about a championship.Don't blame Melo for our woes, the problems were here before he got here. We have no big men and D'Antoni don't beleive in big men. Just shoot the damn ball 3points 3points.We have Amare banging up against a 7ft2inch guy and then expect him to score 25 points. Every team know our defensive game plan and they just move the ball around to the open guy. It is so easy. D'Antoni can't teach defense thats why he left his other team with a good winning record. He had Nash to run his team with great shooters. But no good defense and when he was asked to change his system he walked.

Cory Brewer was not promised 20+ minutes a game and was released. Again... Cory Brewer has been a POOR NBA player.

Lets see.. we have Amare/Melo/Billups making over $50mm but the losing is the coach's fault for not playing Sheldon Williams and Cory Brewer.

And papabear your just wrong about the above. He didnt "walk." Go do your research. Also can you please explain why MDA's Suns teams were better defensively than Gentry's? Cause the stats dont lie.