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I supported the Melo trade with concern & Dolan was determined. Now he is raising the price 49%. Is this about a ring or mon
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Papabear
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3/15/2011  10:38 AM    LAST EDITED: 3/15/2011  10:48 AM
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I HOPE THAT THIS TRADE WAS NOT ABOUT THE MONEY ONLY FOR DOLAN'S POCKETS.

I supported the Melo trade with concern. Dolan was hell bent on getting Melo. Thats fine. But what is his real motive? We are now stuck for next season maybe.We need defense and a big man or two which everyone seems to ignore and keep talking about a point guard. Which is more important now when I see our team get no rebounds and player walk to the basket and put in layups after layups. We need pieces and before we can go and get the pieces Dolan is raising the price on tickets. That is no class at all. He could have waited until we have a team on the floor that can win 75% of thier games.If Melo and Amare does not include the rest of the players in the game and if they continue to not go all out on defense this whole team could fall apart. It seems that no one on the Knicks staff want to address a big man or two.

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3/15/2011  10:49 AM
A 49% increase is a slap in the face to the loyal fans who have put up with the deficiency of this owner and franchise for the past decade.
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3/15/2011  10:50 AM
Is this about a ring or mon

Has it ever been about a ring for Cablevision and Dolan? They're a huge for profit corporation that cares only about money. That's how it always will be unless they sell the team, and they have no reason to. I'm not expecting a Knicks championship in my lifetime, even if I live for another fifty years.
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3/15/2011  11:10 AM
Hey if the Knicks have to go over the cap and start paying luxury tax the money has to come from somewhere. Scum bag move to say the least but no suprising.
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3/15/2011  11:15 AM
Business is business. Simple Supply and Demand.

You can't change the world, business or people.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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3/15/2011  12:20 PM
Uh I thought the ticket prices would double.
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3/15/2011  12:35 PM
Is it ALL tickets? Or just the premium ones?

Dolan owns the Knicks and this is his right, just like its the right of the Steinbrenners and Wilpons when they build new stadiums and improved the product (whether being real or percieved).

A few things are obvious:
You really CANT rebuild in NY. Each year you see players on teams that have been around for a couple years and are having breakout seasons. The reason the Knicks dont have guys like that is we cant wait that long. Chandler was close (traded) and Gallo didnt make it though his 2nd full year in the league before Knick fans had his career pegged for good.

Whats that mean? Knicks are destined to ALWAYS overpay for players, whether its salary or assets.

This trade was more a $$$ trade than a basketball trade. we have 2 guys who will sell lots of jerseys, have lots of dunks and get us to 45 wins and the playoffs every year.

The REAL QUESTION for fans is can Walsh make this situation work, and can he build a team around Melo/Stat that can compete for a title? Thats really all it comes down too

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3/15/2011  12:44 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/15/2011  12:45 PM
CashMoney wrote:Hey if the Knicks have to go over the cap and start paying luxury tax the money has to come from somewhere. Scum bag move to say the least but no suprising.

This team is costing the Knicks' owners half of what it cost during the Isiah years. So how does that make sense?

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3/15/2011  12:56 PM
To be fair, IIRC, the Knicks hadn't raised ticket prices for 6 years, due to the product not being a playoff team. I think prices would've gone up even without Melo, although not nearly as much as they are now. I do think 49% is blatantly excessive, though.
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3/15/2011  1:10 PM
fishmike wrote:Is it ALL tickets? Or just the premium ones?

Dolan owns the Knicks and this is his right, just like its the right of the Steinbrenners and Wilpons when they build new stadiums and improved the product (whether being real or percieved).

A few things are obvious:
You really CANT rebuild in NY. Each year you see players on teams that have been around for a couple years and are having breakout seasons. The reason the Knicks dont have guys like that is we cant wait that long. Chandler was close (traded) and Gallo didnt make it though his 2nd full year in the league before Knick fans had his career pegged for good.

Whats that mean? Knicks are destined to ALWAYS overpay for players, whether its salary or assets.

This trade was more a $$$ trade than a basketball trade. we have 2 guys who will sell lots of jerseys, have lots of dunks and get us to 45 wins and the playoffs every year.

The REAL QUESTION for fans is can Walsh make this situation work, and can he build a team around Melo/Stat that can compete for a title? Thats really all it comes down too

We can wait, we just have to do a better job when we're set up to rebuild.

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3/15/2011  1:12 PM
i always believed it was for the money. why make money later if you can make money now?
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3/15/2011  1:15 PM
Here is the official press release message from MSG:

NEW YORK KNICKS AND NEW YORK RANGERS
RELEASE 2011-12 SEASON TICKET INFORMATION
Madison Square Garden will not Institute Personal Seat Licenses in the Transformed Arena

New York, NY, March 11, 2011 – The New York Knickerbockers and New York Rangers today released season ticket information for the 2011-12 seasons when Madison Square Garden will debut the first phase of the building’s top-to-bottom Transformation. The company also announced that it will not institute Personal Seat Licenses (PSLs) in the transformed Arena.

For the 2011-12 season Knicks season ticket prices will increase an average of 49%, and Rangers will increase an average of 23%. Knicks tickets have only been raised once in the last ten seasons, including staying flat for the past six, and Rangers ticket prices did not increase for the 2010-11 season. Knicks and Rangers season ticket holders will be contacted directly by their personal relationship manager with specific information on their account.

“Our top priority is to create a world class experience for every person that visits Madison Square Garden. The Garden Transformation will provide our fans with best in class service, new amenities, and outstanding food and beverage offerings. This will be a new state-of-the-art arena with wider concourses, new seats, better sightlines, and improved social settings,” said Scott O’Neil, president, MSG Sports. “Our commitment is for Madison Square Garden to not only be recognized as The World’s Most Famous Arena, but the world’s most spectacular one as well – something our fans, partners and all New Yorkers deserve. While ticket prices for Knicks and Rangers will be increasing, we will continue to offer a variety of price points for our fans and will not be instituting PSLs.”

As a result of the Transformation, the seating configuration in the lower bowl of the Arena will completely change beginning next season, the upper bowl is expected to follow in the 2012-13 season. Season ticket holders will be relocated to new seats accordingly.

“The seating configuration and layout of The Garden will change with the Transformation, and we have been planning for several years with our customers in mind,” said O’Neil. “We have the most passionate and knowledgeable fans in the world and it’s our intent and plan to manage a transparent and smooth seat relocation process – maintaining similar sightlines and upgrading experiences. We have a process in place and dedicated staff to work directly with our customers to ensure that everything is seamless and meets their expectations.”

In addition to not having PSLs in the transformed Arena, Knicks and Rangers season ticket options and benefits for next season include:

- Season tickets will be offered at a variety of price points, including 17 price points for Rangers fans starting as low as $39 per game and 20 price points for Knicks fans starting at $10 per game;
- Select premium seats will now have access to several new all-inclusive clubs – the Delta SKY360° Club and 1879 Club presented by J.P. Morgan. Both clubs will offer exclusive dining options and an intimate setting within the arena;
- New wider Madison Concourse (6th Floor) nearly double in size with views of the city featuring several new first-class food and entertainment options;
- Exclusive season ticket holder benefits, including access to special events with current players and alumni, such as meet and greets, storyteller forums, skating with the Rangers and shooting hoops with the Knicks; unique gifts and experiences based on tenure; savings vs. individual game tickets; first consideration to buy playoff tickets and for seat relocation and upgrades; online ticketing services; and a personal relationship manager to provide assistance for all account needs;
- A number of flexible payment plan options are available for all subscribers, new this season is an extended 10 month interest-free payment plan.


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Fans are encouraged to renew their season tickets online by using their personalized website which outlines their exclusive subscriber benefits and features a 3D Virtual Venue tool showcasing their seats. Fans that pay online will be entered to win a number of great prizes, including complimentary roundtrip tickets on Delta Air Lines and getaways courtesy of Delta Vacations.

Work on the Transformation is underway and will continue to be a year-round project, sequenced to maximize construction efforts during the summer months of 2011, 2012, and 2013 when The Garden will be shutdown. The building will be transformed into a state-of-the-art facility that lives up to its iconic stature, while preserving The Garden’s great history and distinctive architecture. For more information on the MSG Transformation, visit www.msg.com/transformation to see a complete timeline of the project, get up to the minute construction updates and have a chance to share your favorite MSG memories.

Fans interested in new season ticket plans for the Knicks and Rangers 2011-12 seasons should call 212-465-6073 or visit NYKnicks.com or NYRangers.com for more information. Individual tickets and partial plans for Knicks and Rangers will go on sale in the fall.

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3/15/2011  1:27 PM
Where does MSG rank again in terms of ticket prices with the rest of the league?
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3/15/2011  1:30 PM
fishmike wrote:Is it ALL tickets? Or just the premium ones?

Dolan owns the Knicks and this is his right, just like its the right of the Steinbrenners and Wilpons when they build new stadiums and improved the product (whether being real or percieved).

A few things are obvious:
You really CANT rebuild in NY. Each year you see players on teams that have been around for a couple years and are having breakout seasons. The reason the Knicks dont have guys like that is we cant wait that long. Chandler was close (traded) and Gallo didnt make it though his 2nd full year in the league before Knick fans had his career pegged for good.

Whats that mean? Knicks are destined to ALWAYS overpay for players, whether its salary or assets.

This trade was more a $$$ trade than a basketball trade. we have 2 guys who will sell lots of jerseys, have lots of dunks and get us to 45 wins and the playoffs every year.

The REAL QUESTION for fans is can Walsh make this situation work, and can he build a team around Melo/Stat that can compete for a title? Thats really all it comes down too

i dont think this says you can't rebuild in ny. the fans totally supported this team. maybe dolan, or donnie or both decided they didn't want to continue the rebuild with this team. but ny? we were filling the seats and buying the jerseys and watching the msg network.

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3/15/2011  1:31 PM
Juice wrote:Where does MSG rank again in terms of ticket prices with the rest of the league?

I believe they're #2 with the Lakers #1.

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3/15/2011  1:38 PM

Nalod is shocked at all of this!
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3/15/2011  2:14 PM
You can't rebuild in New York is such bull****! GM's that make ****ty trades and then blame the whole thing on the fans. I think everyone was really enjoying watching this team grow. Without trade rumors I think we would have played much better.

Raising tickets is a ****ing joke! TO be fair! Are we supposed to be happy they have allowed the tickets to remain #2 in the entire league while missing the playoffs 9/10 seasons. The Lakers have made the finals 50% of the time in the leagues history.

Again. The Knicks are not a storied franchise in fact they are one of the worst organizations in Sports. This is the mecca because of other events. The Knicks have nothing to do with it. What kind of organization that is battling for the 6th barely playing above .500 raises prices.

The should send out the press release that essentially tells all the loyal fans to go f themselves. It's better than talking about the experience and the quailty of restaurant. Always nice to get the letter over the years that says why this year is different we have added a top flight center, great coaching, exciting new draft picks. Amazing

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3/15/2011  2:22 PM
MS wrote:What kind of organization that is battling for the 6th barely playing above .500 raises prices.

The kind that gives a 4-year extension to a GM for his team making the 8 seed for one whole day.

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3/16/2011  1:10 PM
Maybe Dolan should have waited to see if we make the playoffs before hiking the prices.
Would serve him right if we didn't, and people didn't re-up.
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3/16/2011  1:43 PM
Marv wrote:
fishmike wrote:Is it ALL tickets? Or just the premium ones?

Dolan owns the Knicks and this is his right, just like its the right of the Steinbrenners and Wilpons when they build new stadiums and improved the product (whether being real or percieved).

A few things are obvious:
You really CANT rebuild in NY. Each year you see players on teams that have been around for a couple years and are having breakout seasons. The reason the Knicks dont have guys like that is we cant wait that long. Chandler was close (traded) and Gallo didnt make it though his 2nd full year in the league before Knick fans had his career pegged for good.

Whats that mean? Knicks are destined to ALWAYS overpay for players, whether its salary or assets.

This trade was more a $$$ trade than a basketball trade. we have 2 guys who will sell lots of jerseys, have lots of dunks and get us to 45 wins and the playoffs every year.

The REAL QUESTION for fans is can Walsh make this situation work, and can he build a team around Melo/Stat that can compete for a title? Thats really all it comes down too

i dont think this says you can't rebuild in ny. the fans totally supported this team. maybe dolan, or donnie or both decided they didn't want to continue the rebuild with this team. but ny? we were filling the seats and buying the jerseys and watching the msg network.

dude.. the fans were chanting WE WANT MELO WE WANT MELO

His jersey sold out before the game started.

Walsh can walk away mission accomplished. So long as Melo and Amare stay reasonably healthy the Knicks will win 45 games ish a year, make the playoffs, have an all star or two and charge through the roof for tickets. Just like the 90s except those teams actually competed for a title.

Mission accomplished.

the fans? The fans think we are losing because of the coach

"winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
I supported the Melo trade with concern & Dolan was determined. Now he is raising the price 49%. Is this about a ring or mon

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