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Interesting article on the trade - Knicks roster not as easy an upgrade as MSG
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subzero0
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3/12/2011  11:28 AM
Pretty insightful article about the trade and what it does to the long term goals of this team. The Knicks are going to have a tough time building a playoff contender.

http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/knicks/pressure_building_R0n6HgWuUwcUJQRIrQUzPI?CMP=OTC-rss&FEEDNAME=

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3/12/2011  11:32 AM
That was easy to see before the trade even happened. We are going to have to rely on what we have, for our role players to get better, and hopefully have a good draft this year.

We might even lose Fields to free agency after next season.

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3/12/2011  11:53 AM    LAST EDITED: 3/12/2011  11:53 AM
Allanfan20 wrote:That was easy to see before the trade even happened. We are going to have to rely on what we have, for our role players to get better, and hopefully have a good draft this year.

We might even lose Fields to free agency after next season.

We can't really lose Fields to FA unless we allow it to happen. We can match any offer as he will have the Gilber Arenas Tag or something like that. So, I think he will be able to be signed up to the MLE or something like that.

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3/12/2011  2:07 PM
Perhaps... but if signing him interrupts with us going after Dwight Howard or Deron Williams, you think we will keep him? I think this past year provides that answer.
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3/12/2011  2:36 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/12/2011  2:36 PM
For 2011 yes for 2012 I don't think so.

2 things will happen. Either the NBA will go hard cap and raise the cap to like 80mil. As well as reducing the salaries of current players allowing us to still have the cap space to add quality players around Melo and Amare which in that scenario would be like 30-40mil in cap space. Or they will maintain the same soft cap and luxury tax which go to the less marketable teams anyway. And we will buy as much talent as we possibly can even if it meant taking on bad contracts and hold a 120mil salary cap in order to make this championship run.

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3/12/2011  3:23 PM
Maybe not easy to upgrade without extending Walsh.
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3/12/2011  3:37 PM
All I know is that it's gonna be much easier to find complementary players than it was to get STAT and Melo. It's not like we MUST find another elite player in order to contend. That is a luxury to have 3 max players, not a necessity. 1st off Bosh isn't really on that level anyway. He's just paid like it. We need to find a C like M. Gasol, Damlembert, Pryzbilla and Deandre Jordan. It's entirely possible we can get one of these guys and some big bodies for the bench. I don't see what the problem is at this point. Every year there are guys that come into the draft and fall thru the cracks. I'm sure that Donnie can buy a pick somewhere if he wants to get someone like he did Landry. You're not really looking for high upside guys now. You're looking for those perfect role players to fill needs. It's a completely different process once you have your stars in place.

Thing is we've been in need of frontline talent for so long we don't know what it's like to be the Spurs and just look for guys that are great at filling a specific role. You don't need to look for All Stars. The Spurs pickup guys like this all the time for almost nothing and that's what we'll have to do.

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3/12/2011  4:43 PM
nixluva wrote:All I know is that it's gonna be much easier to find complementary players than it was to get STAT and Melo. It's not like we MUST find another elite player in order to contend. That is a luxury to have 3 max players, not a necessity. 1st off Bosh isn't really on that level anyway. He's just paid like it. We need to find a C like M. Gasol, Damlembert, Pryzbilla and Deandre Jordan. It's entirely possible we can get one of these guys and some big bodies for the bench. I don't see what the problem is at this point. Every year there are guys that come into the draft and fall thru the cracks. I'm sure that Donnie can buy a pick somewhere if he wants to get someone like he did Landry. You're not really looking for high upside guys now. You're looking for those perfect role players to fill needs. It's a completely different process once you have your stars in place.

Thing is we've been in need of frontline talent for so long we don't know what it's like to be the Spurs and just look for guys that are great at filling a specific role. You don't need to look for All Stars. The Spurs pickup guys like this all the time for almost nothing and that's what we'll have to do.

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3/12/2011  7:14 PM
Killa4luv wrote:
nixluva wrote:All I know is that it's gonna be much easier to find complementary players than it was to get STAT and Melo. It's not like we MUST find another elite player in order to contend. That is a luxury to have 3 max players, not a necessity. 1st off Bosh isn't really on that level anyway. He's just paid like it. We need to find a C like M. Gasol, Damlembert, Pryzbilla and Deandre Jordan. It's entirely possible we can get one of these guys and some big bodies for the bench. I don't see what the problem is at this point. Every year there are guys that come into the draft and fall thru the cracks. I'm sure that Donnie can buy a pick somewhere if he wants to get someone like he did Landry. You're not really looking for high upside guys now. You're looking for those perfect role players to fill needs. It's a completely different process once you have your stars in place.

Thing is we've been in need of frontline talent for so long we don't know what it's like to be the Spurs and just look for guys that are great at filling a specific role. You don't need to look for All Stars. The Spurs pickup guys like this all the time for almost nothing and that's what we'll have to do.

+1

-1(Marc Gasol)...What is the fascination???

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3/12/2011  8:20 PM
holfresh wrote:
Killa4luv wrote:
nixluva wrote:All I know is that it's gonna be much easier to find complementary players than it was to get STAT and Melo. It's not like we MUST find another elite player in order to contend. That is a luxury to have 3 max players, not a necessity. 1st off Bosh isn't really on that level anyway. He's just paid like it. We need to find a C like M. Gasol, Damlembert, Pryzbilla and Deandre Jordan. It's entirely possible we can get one of these guys and some big bodies for the bench. I don't see what the problem is at this point. Every year there are guys that come into the draft and fall thru the cracks. I'm sure that Donnie can buy a pick somewhere if he wants to get someone like he did Landry. You're not really looking for high upside guys now. You're looking for those perfect role players to fill needs. It's a completely different process once you have your stars in place.

Thing is we've been in need of frontline talent for so long we don't know what it's like to be the Spurs and just look for guys that are great at filling a specific role. You don't need to look for All Stars. The Spurs pickup guys like this all the time for almost nothing and that's what we'll have to do.

+1

-1(Marc Gasol)...What is the fascination???

hes 7 feet tall,big, hes a decent player and uh, hes 7 feet tall. whats not to like? hes not tim duncan, but tim duncan isnt even tim duncan anymore.

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3/12/2011  8:28 PM
Killa4luv wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Killa4luv wrote:
nixluva wrote:All I know is that it's gonna be much easier to find complementary players than it was to get STAT and Melo. It's not like we MUST find another elite player in order to contend. That is a luxury to have 3 max players, not a necessity. 1st off Bosh isn't really on that level anyway. He's just paid like it. We need to find a C like M. Gasol, Damlembert, Pryzbilla and Deandre Jordan. It's entirely possible we can get one of these guys and some big bodies for the bench. I don't see what the problem is at this point. Every year there are guys that come into the draft and fall thru the cracks. I'm sure that Donnie can buy a pick somewhere if he wants to get someone like he did Landry. You're not really looking for high upside guys now. You're looking for those perfect role players to fill needs. It's a completely different process once you have your stars in place.

Thing is we've been in need of frontline talent for so long we don't know what it's like to be the Spurs and just look for guys that are great at filling a specific role. You don't need to look for All Stars. The Spurs pickup guys like this all the time for almost nothing and that's what we'll have to do.

+1

-1(Marc Gasol)...What is the fascination???

hes 7 feet tall,big, hes a decent player and uh, hes 7 feet tall. whats not to like? hes not tim duncan, but tim duncan isnt even tim duncan anymore.

7 ft tall, 12 pts 6.8 reb per game and wants 10-12 mil per...Lost lots weight and arms are still extremely fat...does he defend?...

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3/12/2011  10:48 PM
knicks1248 wrote:berman

hahaha. agreed completely. i came in here curious to see the article, then saw it was berman.

berman is making the same points a lot of posters here have made. it's nothing new. and they're valid points....BUT the only reason that article was written was because he interviewed marc cuban, who has some serious sour grapes that he couldn't get melo.

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3/13/2011  12:08 AM
knicks1248 wrote:berman

He has a way of being stirring the pot after big losses. He didn't say anything that anyone who follows the team didn't already know. I wonder if he is predicting or has knowledge of Jordan's future. Jordan did not look anything like an NBA player last summer so I would be surprised if he solves the Knicks size problem.
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3/13/2011  3:36 PM
holfresh wrote:
Killa4luv wrote:
nixluva wrote:All I know is that it's gonna be much easier to find complementary players than it was to get STAT and Melo. It's not like we MUST find another elite player in order to contend. That is a luxury to have 3 max players, not a necessity. 1st off Bosh isn't really on that level anyway. He's just paid like it. We need to find a C like M. Gasol, Damlembert, Pryzbilla and Deandre Jordan. It's entirely possible we can get one of these guys and some big bodies for the bench. I don't see what the problem is at this point. Every year there are guys that come into the draft and fall thru the cracks. I'm sure that Donnie can buy a pick somewhere if he wants to get someone like he did Landry. You're not really looking for high upside guys now. You're looking for those perfect role players to fill needs. It's a completely different process once you have your stars in place.

Thing is we've been in need of frontline talent for so long we don't know what it's like to be the Spurs and just look for guys that are great at filling a specific role. You don't need to look for All Stars. The Spurs pickup guys like this all the time for almost nothing and that's what we'll have to do.

+1

-1(Marc Gasol)...What is the fascination???

i agree w/nixluva's post except for the part about Marc Gasol, i don't think he's the answer & i don't think we'll have the cap space to sign him regardless.

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Interesting article on the trade - Knicks roster not as easy an upgrade as MSG

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