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3/10/2011  2:59 PM
Larry Johnson thinks the current Knicks can repeat the playoff success of the 1999 squad
BY Ebenezer Samuel
DAILY NEWS SPORTS WRITER

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Forget all those long-term plans of acquiring a superstar point guard to complement Amar'e Stoudemire and Carmelo Anthony, and ignore the simple goal of ending that six-year playoff drought.

Larry Johnson, who played five years in New York from 1996-2001, thinks this year's Knick team should shoot higher. Johnson believes Mike D'Antoni's squad could replicate what the Knicks did in the strike-shortened 1999 season, when the team upended three straight higher-seeded opponents and became the first eighth seed in the NBA Finals.

"Absolutely," Johnson, 41, told the Daily News. "I think they can do it."

The Knicks are currently in sixth place in the Eastern Conference, and they could conceivably catch the Hawks for the fifth seed. Still, in a league that's more star-driven than ever, the road to the Finals likely goes through Boston, Chicago and Miami.

Johnson, who was in attendance when the Knicks flattened the Jazz on Monday, isn't worried about that. The '99 team made its surprising run because it was a better team than it showed in the regular season. The Knicks had revamped their team before the season, acquiring Latrell Sprewell and Marcus Camby, and those additions took time to gel with holdovers Johnson, Allan Houston and Patrick Ewing. By the playoffs, the Knicks had a potent scoring trio in Houston, Ewing and Sprewell. And when Ewing battled injuries, Johnson, a former All-Star with the Hornets, took a more active offensive role.

Johnson believes this year's Knicks are similar. Anthony, Stoudemire and Chauncey Billups must learn to work together, but they should be on the same page by the postseason.

"I think with the addition of Melo and Chauncey they now have the other scorers," Johnson said. "When I was there, we had three scorers. Now, they have three scorers."

Still, Johnson admitted that the Knicks will have some hurdles. As Donnie Walsh and D'Antoni have expressed repeatedly, the Knicks' supporting cast took a severe hit in the Anthony deal. Johnson said Toney Douglas, who has been starting in place of the injured Billups, is "coming around" as a player, but a lack of bench depth could still haunt the Knicks in the postseason.

"We had a deep bench when we did that run," he said. "Their bench is a little weak. Maybe they need another banger down low. But they're definitely exciting to watch."

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3/10/2011  3:05 PM
love LJ but thats a politically correct thing to say while attending a Knick game.

Lets see... Ewing/Spree/Houston and Amare/Melo/Billups are certainly close enough talent wise.

However Camby, LJ, Kurt Thomas, Childs, Ward and Dudley were a GREAT supporting cast loaded with size and defense. Who do the Knicks have as good as Camby/LJ?

Its not even close. That 99 team was totally loaded, it just hand not gelled yet

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3/10/2011  3:09 PM
fishmike wrote:love LJ but thats a politically correct thing to say while attending a Knick game.

Lets see... Ewing/Spree/Houston and Amare/Melo/Billups are certainly close enough talent wise.

However Camby, LJ, Kurt Thomas, Childs, Ward and Dudley were a GREAT supporting cast loaded with size and defense. Who do the Knicks have as good as Camby/LJ?

Its not even close. That 99 team was totally loaded, it just hand not gelled yet

Not to mention that entire supporting cast were good to great defenders.

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3/10/2011  3:09 PM
this team's top three are better (in both terms of pedigree and health), but the supporting cast is worse. There's a chance. And LJ never really struck me as the type of guy that'd say something just because it was PC
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3/10/2011  3:15 PM
Definitely better at Point Guard. 99 had a way better defensive squad though. Funny cause we lost the finals cause of lack of size. LJ is really like 6'6.
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3/10/2011  3:57 PM
SupremeCommander wrote:this team's top three are better (in both terms of pedigree and health), but the supporting cast is worse. There's a chance. And LJ never really struck me as the type of guy that'd say something just because it was PC

I don't know about that. Ewing even at that stage would be better than Billups, Spree and H2O are both big time players that at worst would be equals of Amare and Melo. Advantage 1999.

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3/10/2011  4:14 PM
NYKBocker wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:this team's top three are better (in both terms of pedigree and health), but the supporting cast is worse. There's a chance. And LJ never really struck me as the type of guy that'd say something just because it was PC

I don't know about that. Ewing even at that stage would be better than Billups, Spree and H2O are both big time players that at worst would be equals of Amare and Melo. Advantage 1999.

Really? When I get out of the office I'll total accolades of note between the three. But, until then, Ewing most certainly was not the same player as he was. And Spree and H20 were both SGs. One had to play out of position to make it work, or not be on the courts at the same time. There is no such probelm with these three.

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3/10/2011  4:18 PM
SupremeCommander wrote:
NYKBocker wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:this team's top three are better (in both terms of pedigree and health), but the supporting cast is worse. There's a chance. And LJ never really struck me as the type of guy that'd say something just because it was PC

I don't know about that. Ewing even at that stage would be better than Billups, Spree and H2O are both big time players that at worst would be equals of Amare and Melo. Advantage 1999.

Really? When I get out of the office I'll total accolades of note between the three. But, until then, Ewing most certainly was not the same player as he was. And Spree and H20 were both SGs. One had to play out of position to make it work, or not be on the courts at the same time. There is no such probelm with these three.

Ewing scored less but was still an elite defender/shot blocker/rebounder. The team was deaper and his minutes reduced (some) but he was as good as Duncan is now... better actually. Ewing defered more because he was able too, not because he was really decling
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3/10/2011  4:19 PM
SupremeCommander wrote:
NYKBocker wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:this team's top three are better (in both terms of pedigree and health), but the supporting cast is worse. There's a chance. And LJ never really struck me as the type of guy that'd say something just because it was PC

I don't know about that. Ewing even at that stage would be better than Billups, Spree and H2O are both big time players that at worst would be equals of Amare and Melo. Advantage 1999.

Really? When I get out of the office I'll total accolades of note between the three. But, until then, Ewing most certainly was not the same player as he was. And Spree and H20 were both SGs. One had to play out of position to make it work, or not be on the courts at the same time. There is no such probelm with these three.

That is a great point on Spree and H2O. If we are talking team dynamics then yes, the current 3 is better suited. I just love those guys to death. Give me a few playoff runs with these 3 and I am sure I will change my tune.

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3/10/2011  4:20 PM
fishmike wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:
NYKBocker wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:this team's top three are better (in both terms of pedigree and health), but the supporting cast is worse. There's a chance. And LJ never really struck me as the type of guy that'd say something just because it was PC

I don't know about that. Ewing even at that stage would be better than Billups, Spree and H2O are both big time players that at worst would be equals of Amare and Melo. Advantage 1999.

Really? When I get out of the office I'll total accolades of note between the three. But, until then, Ewing most certainly was not the same player as he was. And Spree and H20 were both SGs. One had to play out of position to make it work, or not be on the courts at the same time. There is no such probelm with these three.

Ewing scored less but was still an elite defender/shot blocker/rebounder. The team was deaper and his minutes reduced (some) but he was as good as Duncan is now... better actually. Ewing defered more because he was able too, not because he was really decling


Time out, I may be remembering this wrong, but wasn't Ewing coming back from a wrist injury, and was less effective shooting?

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3/10/2011  4:27 PM
Panos wrote:
fishmike wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:
NYKBocker wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:this team's top three are better (in both terms of pedigree and health), but the supporting cast is worse. There's a chance. And LJ never really struck me as the type of guy that'd say something just because it was PC

I don't know about that. Ewing even at that stage would be better than Billups, Spree and H2O are both big time players that at worst would be equals of Amare and Melo. Advantage 1999.

Really? When I get out of the office I'll total accolades of note between the three. But, until then, Ewing most certainly was not the same player as he was. And Spree and H20 were both SGs. One had to play out of position to make it work, or not be on the courts at the same time. There is no such probelm with these three.

Ewing scored less but was still an elite defender/shot blocker/rebounder. The team was deaper and his minutes reduced (some) but he was as good as Duncan is now... better actually. Ewing defered more because he was able too, not because he was really decling


Time out, I may be remembering this wrong, but wasn't Ewing coming back from a wrist injury, and was less effective shooting?

yep

The wrist injury that changed a franchise
BY Frank Isola

A significant anniversary came and went this week without much fanfare or reflection. It was an anniversary that changed the Knicks – for the better – and underscored how a real franchise player can set the tone for an entire organization.

It is hard to believe but 10 years have passed since Patrick Ewing shattered his right wrist in a game in Milwaukee when he leaped for an alley-oop pass and was fouled in midair by Andrew Lang. Ewing crashed to the floor and used his wrist to break the fall. The force caused a high-speed, high-impact injury normally associated with victims of motorcycle accidents.

As soon as the Knicks returned to New York, Ewing was in surgery and his career was in jeopardy.

"As far as a professional basketball player, in my 20 years, I don't remember a player of Patrick's caliber sustaining this injury," said Dr. Norman Scott, the Knicks former team physician said after the surgery."It's a football-type injury or a motor vehicle accident type of injury. He fell with tremendous force on this wrist.

"The fact we could get it early, and we got it within six hours of the injury, we're optimistic."

I was in Milwaukee that night and you could almost hear the bones in Ewing's shooting wrist shattered late in the first half. Mike Saunders, the team's former trainer, raced onto the court to Ewing's aid. Ewing was in obvious pain but he still attempted his two free throws – with his left hand – thus preventing him from being disqualified. Afterwards, while Sanders was on the phone arranging for the medical staff to meet Ewing at the airport, Charlie Ward was helping Ewing fix his tie and tie his shoes.

As soon as the Knicks returned to New York, Ewing was on the operating table. The surgery was performed by Dr. Charles Melone and Scott's wife, Susan Craig Scott, at 4 A.M., to prevent possible nerve damage from the dislocated bone.

The Knicks record was 15-11 when Ewing went down and they were facing a long road without him. Jeff Van Gundy scrambled to make adjustments, moving Charles Oakley to center and making Allan Houston and Larry Johnson the focal point of the offense. Charlie Ward was never better.

The Knicks didn't offer up excuses nor did they feel sorry for themselves. Instead, each practice and each game was a chance for them to prove that even if they didn't have the most talent in the league, no team would out-work them. Former GM Ernie Grunfeld made several minor moves to solidify the roster in Ewing's absence.

Meanwhile, Ewing demonstrated his commitment and leadership by working out each day with strength coach Greg Brittenham intent on proving the doctors wrong.

That season the Knicks, thriving in their new role as the underdog, finished 43-39 and earned the seventh seed. They met Miami in the first round and gutted out a Game 5 win to advance to the second round. As the final seconds ticked off the clock, Ewing put his arm around Van Gundy and told him, "We did it."

It was victory for the entire organization; the trainers, coaches, front office, players. When you talk about Knicks pride, think about the 1997-98 Knicks. I always do.

And I always think about Ewing, a true warrior, making a remarkable comeback and playing in Game 2 against Indiana. The Garden erupted that day…for all the right reasons.

http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/knicks/2007/12/the-wrist-injury-that-changed.html

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3/10/2011  4:27 PM
NYKBocker wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:
NYKBocker wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:this team's top three are better (in both terms of pedigree and health), but the supporting cast is worse. There's a chance. And LJ never really struck me as the type of guy that'd say something just because it was PC

I don't know about that. Ewing even at that stage would be better than Billups, Spree and H2O are both big time players that at worst would be equals of Amare and Melo. Advantage 1999.

Really? When I get out of the office I'll total accolades of note between the three. But, until then, Ewing most certainly was not the same player as he was. And Spree and H20 were both SGs. One had to play out of position to make it work, or not be on the courts at the same time. There is no such probelm with these three.

That is a great point on Spree and H2O. If we are talking team dynamics then yes, the current 3 is better suited. I just love those guys to death. Give me a few playoff runs with these 3 and I am sure I will change my tune.

fair enough... I understand the trio is nothing more than a paper lion at this point

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3/10/2011  4:45 PM
Sports Guys Ewing Theory is based on the '99 run....and it's complete BS that it's named after him. Knicks would have never gotten past the Heat without Ewing's D on Zo, his rebounding and his scoring that round.

However, I think STAT, Melo, Billups, Fields is much better than Houston, Spree, Ewing, LJ. And I loved those teams. The 99 team was deeper but it was that depth that provided the defense. Houston and LJ were not effective defenders at all. Spree was above avg., Ewing was good and Camby was great. Other than that Childs and Ward were good defenders but they were small. While our current defensive depth isn't as good we still have good defenders in Fields, JJ, TD, Billups, underrated Defenders in Amar'e and Melo and this team can blow anyone out of the water Offensively.

It would take a lot of good fortune but I don't think we're too far away. Our biggest challenge would be Orlando because of Dwight. Either way it's going to be a lot of fun and NO ONE wants NYK in the first round.

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3/10/2011  4:48 PM
MSG3 wrote:Sports Guys Ewing Theory is based on the '99 run....and it's complete BS that it's named after him. Knicks would have never gotten past the Heat without Ewing's D on Zo, his rebounding and his scoring that round.

However, I think STAT, Melo, Billups, Fields is much better than Houston, Spree, Ewing, LJ. And I loved those teams. The 99 team was deeper but it was that depth that provided the defense. Houston and LJ were not effective defenders at all. Spree was above avg., Ewing was good and Camby was great. Other than that Childs and Ward were good defenders but they were small. While our current defensive depth isn't as good we still have good defenders in Fields, JJ, TD, Billups, underrated Defenders in Amar'e and Melo and this team can blow anyone out of the water Offensively.

It would take a lot of good fortune but I don't think we're too far away. Our biggest challenge would be Orlando because of Dwight. Either way it's going to be a lot of fun and NO ONE wants NYK in the first round.

One thing I remembered from that run is how great our perimeter defenders stopped guard dribble penetration. And when they did get through, Ewing and Camby erased the mistakes.

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3/10/2011  5:03 PM
LJ has that al jazeera prophecy stuff going on, he might be on to something.

hey, you know what obm always says? always says "get to the playoffs, anything can happen" yes sir, that's some cheese and crackers all right.

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3/10/2011  5:19 PM
orangeblobman wrote:LJ has that al jazeera prophecy stuff going on

Why would you reference the man's religion so dismissively? This is okay?

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3/10/2011  6:21 PM
The '99 Heat team was tougher too. A squad of warriors that I hated--but at least respected.

A far cry from the Oprah's Book Club running around South Beach these days.

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3/10/2011  6:29 PM
Too early to talk like this but there is a good feeling going on with this team - reminds me of when Spree came and we got a little life back into the roster, granted this is much bigger.
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3/10/2011  6:31 PM
Gymkata wrote:
A far cry from the Oprah's Book Club running around South Beach these days.

That is hilarious - you know there are a lot of switch hitters down there, maybe thats why LBJ and Bosh went - so they can get their share of man love.

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