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Knixkik
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3/9/2011  8:15 AM
This should be our goal entering the off-season. I am very comfortable with our Big 3 moving forward, and feel while they are slightly less talented than the Heat's Big 3, they can make up for it with better chemistry and overall fit. Now our major objective must be to put the best players around them possible, ones that are much better than anything the Heat can put on the floors. Fields, Douglas, and Jeffries are a great start, and Shawne Williams and Anthony Carter are also solid as well. We must put a good center on the floor and have that position be far stronger than it is in Miami. Also, another scorer off the bench is needed as well. I think we can be better than Miami in all positions including the bench and coaching with the exception of SG and a slight disadvantage at SF. But if everything else is in our favor we can be a better team than the Heat starting next season and for the years following as well.
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3/9/2011  8:28 AM
whoa. i think you’re getting WAY ahead of yourself. we just came off an awesome game. miami's struggling at the moment. you’re extrapolating at a very particular moment in time imo.
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3/9/2011  8:41 AM    LAST EDITED: 3/9/2011  8:42 AM
Obviously, if we get the right players to complement Amare and Melo and if we can find a solid center, we are going to be a contender. Anytime your team has two of the top-10 players in the league, you are going to be a contender no matter who else is on the team. Chicago won 6 championships with pretty much Jordan and Pippen and a rotating collection of solid but certainly not superstar players.
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3/9/2011  8:59 AM
I think you are right. The parts mesh better than the Fire Nation.
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3/9/2011  9:04 AM
The reason the Knicks are better is because the stars that NYK have don't require the ball all the time like Wade and LeBron do. Essentially LeBron and Wade are the same player. Wade and LeBron don't let point guards play their game of distribution of ball. Amare and Melo are different players and the duty of ball handling falls to a PG who likes to get everyone involved not just the stars.
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3/9/2011  9:14 AM
Vmart wrote:The reason the Knicks are better is because the stars that NYK have don't require the ball all the time like Wade and LeBron do. Essentially LeBron and Wade are the same player. Wade and LeBron don't let point guards play their game of distribution of ball. Amare and Melo are different players and the duty of ball handling falls to a PG who likes to get everyone involved not just the stars.

it's tough to play 2 superstar SG/SG's together. you can play a guy like nash or paul with lebron or wade but lebron and wade toghether takes so much away from ball movement. yeah they are both getting theirs, but the rest of the team is suffering. bosh had 7 points yesterday, there are games where he's invincible because he doesn't see the ball.

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3/9/2011  9:22 AM
DWade and LeDouche are only SG/SF in paper. In the grand scheme of things, they are PGs in that the ball/offense has to go through them. This is their problem. They will have these great Sportscenter highlights but unless one totally changes their game and defers they will never win anything. Oh, and Bosh is useless.
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3/9/2011  9:36 AM
i think you could easily make the argument that right now....there are alot of teams that are better then the heat
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3/9/2011  9:41 AM    LAST EDITED: 3/9/2011  9:41 AM
NYKBocker wrote:DWade and LeDouche are only SG/SF in paper. In the grand scheme of things, they are PGs in that the ball/offense has to go through them. This is their problem. They will have these great Sportscenter highlights but unless one totally changes their game and defers they will never win anything. Oh, and Bosh is useless.

I'd love to have the "problems" that they have. If in a year they decide this roster won't work, imagine what they could get if they put Lebron on the market. They could keep Wade and Bosh and probably get two all-stars plus tons of draft picks for Lebron. That said, I think Marv is right that people are looking at way to narrow a time frame. The Heat still have around a .650 winning percentage.
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3/9/2011  10:25 AM
When you watch Heat games what you are seeing now is that teams have adjusted to them and are picking at their weaknesses. The big 3 are really good, but it's the other guys in the rotation that are getting abused. When they sit one of Wade or Lebron, you really don't get enough from Bosh to make up the difference. It's not like here with STAT. Bosh is basically a jumpshooter now. A very good one, but he isn't really impacting the game in terms of causing problems for a defense. So basically the Heat is all perimeter. It's offense that starts out far away from the basket and eventually teams make the adjustment to force the Heat to take a lot of jumpers. If they aren't absolutely killing it from the perimeter, they hit a dry spell and don't have a way to get enough easy baskets.

The biggest issue tho has been that they can't stop PG's or PF/C's. Bibby, Chalmers & House aren't stopping anyone. That is forcing Joel Anthony, Bosh and Dampier to give help too often and teams are using that against the Heat lately. How many times do you see Lebron or Wade come flying across the floor to give help. It works at 1st, but just a few good passes and all that help D they have to give is just a step slower in the 4th qtr. It's hard to keep up that level of defense for 48 mintues and 82 games. It's not a traditionally strong D like some of the bigger teams. They've just have been using up a ton of energy giving help and I think that is effecting them late in games. Quite frankly they get gassed. That strategy works great against bad teams. They can just overwhelm them, but the better teams have good depth and can simply outlast the Heat.
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3/9/2011  10:29 AM
nyk4ever wrote:
Vmart wrote:The reason the Knicks are better is because the stars that NYK have don't require the ball all the time like Wade and LeBron do. Essentially LeBron and Wade are the same player. Wade and LeBron don't let point guards play their game of distribution of ball. Amare and Melo are different players and the duty of ball handling falls to a PG who likes to get everyone involved not just the stars.

it's tough to play 2 superstar SG/SG's together. you can play a guy like nash or paul with lebron or wade but lebron and wade toghether takes so much away from ball movement. yeah they are both getting theirs, but the rest of the team is suffering. bosh had 7 points yesterday, there are games where he's invincible because he doesn't see the ball.

There bench is awful and lbj and wade are iso players...there benh is avg less then 19 pts as a whole..you stop there fast breaks and there done..

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3/9/2011  10:34 AM
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nyk4ever wrote:
Vmart wrote:The reason the Knicks are better is because the stars that NYK have don't require the ball all the time like Wade and LeBron do. Essentially LeBron and Wade are the same player. Wade and LeBron don't let point guards play their game of distribution of ball. Amare and Melo are different players and the duty of ball handling falls to a PG who likes to get everyone involved not just the stars.

it's tough to play 2 superstar SG/SG's together. you can play a guy like nash or paul with lebron or wade but lebron and wade toghether takes so much away from ball movement. yeah they are both getting theirs, but the rest of the team is suffering. bosh had 7 points yesterday, there are games where he's invincible because he doesn't see the ball.

There bench is awful and lbj and wade are iso players...there benh is avg less then 19 pts as a whole..you stop there fast breaks and there done..

i agree--but stopping those fast breaks is easier said then done

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3/9/2011  11:21 AM
Last I checked the Heat have a much better record than the Knicks, and they are more talented.

I said to start the year they would have problems because of a lack of size, just like the Knicks do. When "lesser" teams defend ok and pound the Knicks on the boards we lose. Plain and simple. Look at the Cle games.

We dont really have a big 3... more like a 2 and half. Billups is a stop gap PG at 34 years old. That was a big problem with this trade. Is he better then Felton? By a little.. yes, but he's 8 years older, and the worst case with Felton was we could resign him and "live with" the 15ppg, 9assists and great defense you would get with him running the ship.

The good thing your seeing right away by having top flight scorers is you can carry a defensive specialist with ZERO offensive skills and that guy becomes an impact player.

The Heat have better players to build around. They dont need a top PG. They would be great with a guy like Toney who defends and can light it up if you opt to ignore him.

At least with MDA riding JJ's jock we can get away from daily posts from certain guys that say MDA doesnt care about defense, playing bigs and only loves guys who shoot the 3. Seems to me the guys who defend and rebound are getting the most minutes these days.

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