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babyKnicks
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3/9/2011  6:35 AM
By MARK HALE

In the eight games the Knicks have played since acquiring Carmelo Anthony on Feb. 22, both their overall scoring and their overall defense have improved.

The Knicks played 54 games before packaging Raymond Felton, Danilo Gallinari, Wilson Chandler and Timofey Mozgov to Denver for Anthony, Chauncey Billups and Anthony Carter.

To be fair, there aren't a ton of conclusions that can be drawn yet, simply because eight games isn't a big sample size (of either the Knicks or their competition).

And, more important, Billups -- one of the team's three best players -- has played in only four due to a thigh injury.

In fact, if you include Jared Jeffries' addition, the Knicks have yet to play a single game since the trade with their entire new corps.

"Once Chauncey gets back, then we can really figure out chemistry on both ends of the court," Amar'e Stoudemire said.

Still, the Knicks -- who are 5-3 since the deal, and have won two straight heading into tonight's game against the Grizzlies in Memphis -- have played four playoff teams since the trade, beating the Heat, Hawks and Hornets while losing to the Magic.

They've also lost twice to woeful Cleveland.

"I think we've shown glimpses of how good we can be," Jeffries said.

Specifically, since the deal, the Knicks offense statistically has been better, which was expected considering the team added a premier scorer in Anthony, who's averaged 25.9 points since arriving.

Not to mention that Billups has averaged 23.3 points in his four games.

And even Stoudemire has seen his production go up -- the Knicks' MVP was averaging 26.1 points, 8.4 rebounds and 51 percent shooting pre-trade, and has averaged 27.3 points, 6.9 rebounds and shot 55 percent post-trade.

As a team before the deal, the Knicks were averaging 106.2 points on 46.0 percent shooting. Since the trade, they're averaging 108.6 points on a slightly better 47.2 percent shooting.

And one pleasant development has been the 3-point accuracy. On the day of the trade, coach Mike D'Antoni admitted shooting was an issue. The Knicks, after all, had just dealt Gallinari and Chandler, two of their best deep threats.

Yet since the trade, the Knicks have shot 37.8 percent from three, up from their 36.5 percent beforehand.

"Shawne Williams is probably the lightning rod if he can keep knocking down threes," D'Antoni said.

"But Chauncey's going to knock down threes. Toney [Douglas], he'll knock down threes. Landry Fields is definitely a good shooter. So I don't think it's a concern. I think we've got enough."

Also offensively, the Knicks are getting to the free-throw line more. Pre-trade, they averaged 24.9 attempts per game. They're at 27.6 since landing Anthony and Co.

As for their defense, the Knicks are, surprisingly, appreciably better since the deal. Pre-trade, they were surrendering 105.8 points. Post-trade? They're at 102.5.

However, their defensive field-goal percentage is only slightly better -- 46.9 percent before, 45.9 percent after -- and their defensive 3-point percentage (37.2 before, 36.8 after) is almost identical.

The Knicks do continue to be out-rebounded. Pre-trade, they were getting beaten on the boards by an average of 44.4 to 41.1 each game. Since the deal, it's 41.8 to 39.9.

"I think we're a lot better now than where we were, and we're getting better all the time," D'Antoni said.

"I think our defense is getting a lot more solid, especially since we've added Jared. But still a ways to go.

"I think the potential's there. I think we can be as good as we want to be. I think we can be a top team. Whether we can get it all done this year or not, we'll see. But they've really bought into it. And we're playing pretty well."

mark.hale@nypost.com

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3/9/2011  6:58 AM
Worst trade ever! Seriously, I liked the trade from the start but can't wait to get Chauncey back at the point. I think once he's healthy the Knicks will be playing well above .500 ball. Good test tonight against Memphis.
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3/9/2011  7:46 AM
I'm excited to see him return but glad he was out for the past few. I think it's let us see alot of improvement(hopefully permanent) in TD.
CashMoney wrote:Worst trade ever! Seriously, I liked the trade from the start but can't wait to get Chauncey back at the point. I think once he's healthy the Knicks will be playing well above .500 ball. Good test tonight against Memphis.
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3/9/2011  8:01 AM
nykshaknbake wrote:I'm excited to see him return but glad he was out for the past few. I think it's let us see alot of improvement(hopefully permanent) in TD.
CashMoney wrote:Worst trade ever! Seriously, I liked the trade from the start but can't wait to get Chauncey back at the point. I think once he's healthy the Knicks will be playing well above .500 ball. Good test tonight against Memphis.

Yeah I think TD's confidence is high right now. Can't wait to see him at the 2 with Mr. Bog Shot at the 1.

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3/9/2011  8:05 AM
Our team is appreciably better since the trade. Even though the offensive improvement has been minimal when you see the actual #'s, the added value of having 2 elite level closers like Melo & Billups on the team to help take the pressure off of STAT's shoulders in crunchtime is gonna prove to be invaluable in the playoffs. As for any fears that making the Melo trade would make us worse defensively, I think the #'s prove otherwise. Role players like AC & Shelden have added a lot to our bench depth whereas most people considered them complete afterthoughts in the deal.
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3/9/2011  9:13 AM
I didn't like the trade because of the situation. I thought we can low ball Denver or just wait for Melo in the summer. I wanted Melo here and I was sure he was coming one way or the other. The trade happened and in Donnie I trust.

Donnie made a masterful job. The fact that he got Billups and Carter in the deal is what made me happy. They solved a lot of our problems. I understand why Donnie was trying to hold on to Timo. We need a center but in Donnie I trust.

Talent wise. Denver got as close to equal value as you are going to get for a superstar. The package Donnie sent is definately better than anything NJ can offer them. It is a win win for both teams.

There are still lingering sadness that our kids were sent away and I doubt it will ever go away. I guess I have 2 teams that I root for now.

MDA deserves a lot of credit for what he has done. Having massive trades in mid-season in all 3 seasons and still able to produce is impressive. Right now, he has changed a little and tailored his schemes to better use the skillset he has in the team. Very good.

Shawne and Billy stepped up. JJSkinny addition is another gem from Donnie. I think we will make some noise in the playoffs. A lot of noise but I am more excited what Donnie can do in the off-season and what MDA can do with a full training camp with this group.

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3/9/2011  9:39 AM
It's great that we're winning but really hard to make much out of only 8 games. We should expect the play of our PGs to decrease relative to what we've gotten the past 8 games--Billups and TD have played well above their season-long #s.
That said, as much of a critic as I've been of Carmelo, I realize he has the potential to be truly awesome. If he can commit himself to defense and team-oriented offense, he can be a top 10 player in the league.
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3/9/2011  9:44 AM
whats Denver's record since the trade?
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3/9/2011  9:56 AM
fishmike wrote:whats Denver's record since the trade?

like 14-2

WE AIN'T NOWHERE WITH THIS BUM CHOKER IN CARMELO. GIVE ME STARKS'S 2-21 ANY DAY OVER THIS LACKLUSTER CLUSTEREFF.
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3/9/2011  9:58 AM
fishmike wrote:whats Denver's record since the trade?

5-2

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3/9/2011  9:59 AM
orangeblobman wrote:
fishmike wrote:whats Denver's record since the trade?

like 14-2

They actually lost?

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3/9/2011  9:59 AM
matt wrote:
orangeblobman wrote:
fishmike wrote:whats Denver's record since the trade?

like 14-2

They actually lost?

i know, i couldn't believe it

WE AIN'T NOWHERE WITH THIS BUM CHOKER IN CARMELO. GIVE ME STARKS'S 2-21 ANY DAY OVER THIS LACKLUSTER CLUSTEREFF.
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3/9/2011  10:01 AM
Marv wrote:
fishmike wrote:whats Denver's record since the trade?

5-2

And they play in a tougher division- last I checked our record would not have us in the play offs there.

Any idea if there losses are to Cleveland too?

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3/9/2011  10:02 AM
I was initially worried about the cost of getting Melo, but after thinking objectively I came around to the idea that it was worth the cost. It's just so much more impactful to have more than 1 superstar. That combination immediately gives you an edge over the course of 48 minutes. More often than not, that talent edge will show up at some point in a game and so far it's been clear that it helps. We haven't even had the big 3 in there this entire time and it's still an improvement with STAT and Melo by themselves. I can't wait to get Chauncey back so they can get the chemistry down. STAT and Melo are getting a nice flow going.

MDA and Melo have kind of made the doubters calm down a bit about their commitment to defense. Both have shown that they can get better defensively. I've been really impressed with Melo's rebounding ability. This isn't the shutdown defensive team of all time, but they can defend well enough to allow the offense to stand up. As long as this team can continue to give the same effort level they've been putting forth recently, this team is gonna be in great shape.

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3/9/2011  10:04 AM
franco12 wrote:
Marv wrote:
fishmike wrote:whats Denver's record since the trade?

5-2

And they play in a tougher division- last I checked our record would not have us in the play offs there.

Any idea if there losses are to Cleveland too?

Papabear Says

Look they are gone and I don't care what division they are in. The Knicks are a better team now point blank.

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3/9/2011  10:07 AM
Denver lost on a miracle 3 in OT against a very good Portland team. They also lost to a surging Clippers team. They beat Memphis, Boston, Atlanta, Charlotte, Jazz.
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3/9/2011  10:08 AM
TERRIBLE TRADE
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3/9/2011  10:14 AM
matt wrote:
orangeblobman wrote:
fishmike wrote:whats Denver's record since the trade?

like 14-2

They actually lost?


They will set an NBA record by going 82-0 next year!
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3/9/2011  10:21 AM
orangeblobman wrote:
matt wrote:
orangeblobman wrote:
fishmike wrote:whats Denver's record since the trade?

like 14-2

They actually lost?

i know, i couldn't believe it

and Raymond Felton has been the best ex-Knick

DLeethal wrote: Lol Rick needs a safe space
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3/9/2011  10:24 AM
SupremeCommander wrote:
orangeblobman wrote:
matt wrote:
orangeblobman wrote:
fishmike wrote:whats Denver's record since the trade?

like 14-2

They actually lost?

i know, i couldn't believe it

and Raymond Felton has been the best ex-Knick

Gallo was until the fluke injury.

Knicks' stats are adding up nicely since Carmelo deal

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