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Win now, huh? I am kinda confused by this....
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joec32033
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3/8/2011  9:07 AM
Ok...I get the premise. But I don't understand what is meant by now. To me win now is the Celtics, Mavs, Lakers, Spurs, and by their own design, the Heat. These are teams that need to win within the next 2 years. These are teams with NO youth in the pipeline and aging stars(minus the Heat). That is win now.

We have younger cores then every team minus the Heat-who everyone says is set for 7 years. I just want to take a closer look at this win now theory.

The Lakers, Dallas, Boston, and San Antonio have stars on the wrong side of 30. There is no transcendent young player on any of those teams. Bynum on LA is always hurt(and isn't dominant when healthy, hell he is the 4th option behind Kobe, Pau, and Odom) and Rondo in Boston is a PG who can not shoot and hasn't made anyone better (I stand by my argument the three legends have made HIM better). Dallas and SA are riding the tails of Dirk (apparently they are pinning their future on Roddy Buckets) and Duncan (noone in the pipeline). That is my definition of win now.

Miami is set on paper. They sold depth and balance for 3 of the top 25 in the league and they all took discounts. Here is my problem with Miami. They signed Crash..er...Flash Wade and his puppies to 7 year deals. Bron and Bosh should be ok but Wade was constantly injured at 26, has a reckless style, and is dependent on quickness and athleticism. I really want to see how he holds up just 2-3 years down the line. Miami also has $45 mil invested in 3 players of 7 years! They are dependent on ring chasers taking discounts. They have $12 mil at best to fill out 13 roster spots. They also have Haslem who I have a man crush on- but he never makes it a full season.

My main problem with the Heat is they have zero room for improvement. Bosh, LBJ, Wade, and Haslem are what they are. They are not getting better. Their bench of veterans is what they are. Chalmers is what he is. Miami will be at the same level for most of the decade. I think THIS is what defines a win now team.

Onto our guys. With Amare, whose knees will always be a concern, he has already improved from last year. While his game in PHX was based on athleticism and speed we see him even now changing his game. He will flash what he can do sometimes but he is now incorporating less physically taxing aspects of his game-mid range J, passing-and only playing above the rim when he has to. IF his knees hold up he can be a modern day LJ whose game evolved and was effective part his prime.

Melo. Well Melo is only 26. 26. Yeah, 26. We gave away most-yes most not all most- of our youth for him. Good players with high ceilings. What I like about Melo is his game is below the rim and not based on athleticism. And he is signed until he is 30. Melo has a game that can be effective into his 30's, imo.

I think where we differ from Miami is we have potential to grow. I think that Douglas learning from Billups is a major plus. I think Landry can be what Mike Miller started to be in Memphis. Shawne Williams, as someone said before, is a Derrick McKey clone-or at least has the potential to be.

I see us as not only a win now team but we are positioned to be a young up and coming team that can beat Miami, just with a different blueprint, for at least as long as they are a top team if not longer.

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3/8/2011  9:09 AM
damn, you made me read early in the morning, before I had my bacon.

hey, win now is when you're all in, that's what it means to me.

I don't think the Knicks are in win now mode because of the flexibility we have coming up. Miami seems to be in win now, and they look to be in trouble.

WE AIN'T NOWHERE WITH THIS BUM CHOKER IN CARMELO. GIVE ME STARKS'S 2-21 ANY DAY OVER THIS LACKLUSTER CLUSTEREFF.
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3/8/2011  9:23 AM
I think the Knicks are currently in "hedge our bet" mode. Not 100% aggressive on finding the missing piece (mostly because at this point it's not clear what it is).

We have a team that's capable of winning on any given night (and could potentially go all the way NOW)...

The Knicks still have a future over the next 2-5 years:
* We also know we're in line to have some cap flexibility once Chauncey's contract expires after next season to bring in major reinforcements.

* And we've managed to keep some young assets that should get better, particularly Fields and Douglas.

* At the same time, our key acquisition, Carmelo, is only 26 and should be peaking in the next 3-5 years. (ie he still has room to refine his game)

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3/8/2011  9:28 AM
This team really is a win now team. The trade gutted our team and we still have a couple of weaknesses. The backup PG seems like it has been solved with Carter and TD. We still need a rebounding center but JJSkinny for now has been effective as a defensive center that boxes out. I think we will make some teams sweat big time in the playoffs this year. We might even catch a big time break and go all the way to the ECF. Here is to hoping.
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3/8/2011  9:31 AM
NYKBocker wrote:This team really is a win now team. The trade gutted our team and we still have a couple of weaknesses. The backup PG seems like it has been solved with Carter and TD. We still need a rebounding center but JJSkinny for now has been effective as a defensive center that boxes out. I think we will make some teams sweat big time in the playoffs this year. We might even catch a big time break and go all the way to the ECF. Here is to hoping.

I will make a bet now....IF we get to the ECF....WE WILL WIN IT ALL!!!!!!!!!!

But thats a BIG IF.........

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joec32033
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3/8/2011  10:08 AM
NYKBocker wrote:This team really is a win now team. The trade gutted our team and we still have a couple of weaknesses. The backup PG seems like it has been solved with Carter and TD. We still need a rebounding center but JJSkinny for now has been effective as a defensive center that boxes out. I think we will make some teams sweat big time in the playoffs this year. We might even catch a big time break and go all the way to the ECF. Here is to hoping.

The trade gutted our depth. One thing I always worry about with rebuilding is too much youth that us not THE guy. Seriously, look back. Classic example is the Clips when they had ALL youth. Q, Maggette, Odom, Wilcox. You can not develop everyone. We had too much youth. Yes there is such a thing. From the time Gallo got here he was NEVER developed as the guy. Never. It was always about 2010 and 2 major free agents. Wil was always a complimentary piece. Hell Gallo and Wil played the same position! I was a Gallo guy but he was deferential. Like Allan was when he first got here.

Guys that have it in them take it and are nurtured that way. Kobe was groomed. It was always Shaq and Kobe he took it and it was Kobe and Shaq. Dirk in Dallas was handed the keys. They brought him up as the guy. After his first season it was all in on him. There was no going out and getting a major star for Dallas. Gallo deferred. Before Amare, Gallo was learning and was passive. Amare gets here, Gallo settled back except for his sometime blowups. Now look at him. I ask you name me the guy on Denver. What is the first make in your head? Lawson? Ray? Chandler? Afflalo? No, the guy is Gallo. That is who Denver sees as there guy. Is there ANY talk of Denver going to get a star? No. Karl probably sat Gallo down and said you are our #1, now play.

If the Knicks thought Gallo was the guy, they don't run the offense through David Lee. He was never gonna be the guy here, it is that simple.

Sorry for the rant...back on topic....

We didn't guy our youth because Melo is 26. That is young. Fields and Douglas are young and can improve(Douglas has a hell of a chance learning from Billups). Williams is young and seemingly a solid rotation player. We have room to outright sign another top talent in a year or two, to fill the major holes we know we have. I really think we are still a work in progress with a chance to win now if everything goes right

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Win now, huh? I am kinda confused by this....

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