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By far--the most under rated propsect on any draft board(becasue he is not on any that i see)
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BRIGGS
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3/6/2011  12:53 PM
is Ben Hansbrough. He's way better than rautins who was a pretty high 2. He's a much better ball-handler( a true PG handle) and has superior shooting skills. rautins is a catch and shoot streak shooter --Hansbrough is just a great shooter. Honestly I dont see much difference between fredette--going 10 in mock drafts and Ben. Same size and Ben is a better athlete. I will say that this player will be the diamond in the rough for this draft.
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3/6/2011  1:26 PM
Hansbrough got game. I like how he gets into the paint and finishes with contact. I hope he stays under the radar so the knicks can snatch him later in the draft but I doubt it. I see him rising after scouts evaluate him in the camps and workouts.
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3/6/2011  2:17 PM
Nice find again Briggs.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/620652-nba-draft-2011-is-notre-dames-ben-hansbrough-better-than-jimmer-fredette

NBA Draft 2011: Is Notre Dame's Ben Hansbrough Better Than Jimmer Fredette?

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Notre Dame's Ben Hansbrough might be the most underrated college basketball player in the country. In fact, he might be better than this year's darling, Jimmer Fredette.

He is the best player on a team that is currently ranked in the top 10. He leads Notre Dame in points per game at 18.4, and assists per game at 4.2.

Those are great numbers, and when you consider the conference he plays in, they look even better. He plays in the Big East, the best collection of teams in the country.

He's putting up his stellar numbers against good, athletic guards from schools like Pittsburgh, Connecticut, Villanova and other great programs.

He's third in the conference in points per game, 11th in assists per game, sixth in field goal percentage, third in three-point percentage and sixth in free-throw percentage.

To be at the top of the Big East in all those categories is no small feat.

It's interesting to wonder how good Hansbrough's numbers could be in Jimmer Fredette's Mountain West Conference.

I'm as big a fan of Jimmer as anyone (in fact, I recently predicted that he could win NBA Rookie of the Year in 2012), but he doesn't consistently face the same level of competition as Hansbrough.

You've all heard Fredette's numbers, and obviously they're impressive, but I'm going to argue that Hansbrough's are better (and like I said, he's putting them up against better competition).

Let's start by looking at the numbers (per game) on the surface...

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3/6/2011  3:36 PM
Just from what's been said here and from his numbers, it's inconceivable that Hansbrough isn't drafted. But he could be there where we draft in the second round. How are his passing and ball handling skills? Can he play pg in the nba? Also, how is his defense?
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3/6/2011  3:42 PM
Ira, from what I found, he will have lots of trouble on defense, as will Fredette. Big problem for most teams, oh wait...
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3/6/2011  5:46 PM
MooK wrote:Hansbrough got game. I like how he gets into the paint and finishes with contact. I hope he stays under the radar so the knicks can snatch him later in the draft but I doubt it. I see him rising after scouts evaluate him in the camps and workouts.

Hard to finds sleepers anymore, although Fields could be seen as one.

Hard to catch lightening in a bottle twice, though.

He is coming from a good team, and has a pedigree. He's already been spotted in the radar.

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3/6/2011  6:02 PM
earthmansurfer wrote:Nice find again Briggs.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/620652-nba-draft-2011-is-notre-dames-ben-hansbrough-better-than-jimmer-fredette

NBA Draft 2011: Is Notre Dame's Ben Hansbrough Better Than Jimmer Fredette?

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Notre Dame's Ben Hansbrough might be the most underrated college basketball player in the country. In fact, he might be better than this year's darling, Jimmer Fredette.

He is the best player on a team that is currently ranked in the top 10. He leads Notre Dame in points per game at 18.4, and assists per game at 4.2.

Those are great numbers, and when you consider the conference he plays in, they look even better. He plays in the Big East, the best collection of teams in the country.

He's putting up his stellar numbers against good, athletic guards from schools like Pittsburgh, Connecticut, Villanova and other great programs.

He's third in the conference in points per game, 11th in assists per game, sixth in field goal percentage, third in three-point percentage and sixth in free-throw percentage.

To be at the top of the Big East in all those categories is no small feat.

It's interesting to wonder how good Hansbrough's numbers could be in Jimmer Fredette's Mountain West Conference.

I'm as big a fan of Jimmer as anyone (in fact, I recently predicted that he could win NBA Rookie of the Year in 2012), but he doesn't consistently face the same level of competition as Hansbrough.

You've all heard Fredette's numbers, and obviously they're impressive, but I'm going to argue that Hansbrough's are better (and like I said, he's putting them up against better competition).

Let's start by looking at the numbers (per game) on the surface...

Fredette has that crossover that he uses that creates separation and a knack to be able to get into the lane draw contact or score. I don't know if he has the toughness that ben has from watching both very close--Hansborugh is a fierce looking competitor--he wants to win badly and that is a skill. I don't think he defended Kemba that well yesterday but in their first game he was able to bottle him up using size strength and IQ(albeit in the zone D) however I think that Ben might be just a little bit better of an athlete than freddette--hansburough dunks easily and has shown the ability to defend. Fredettes big Qv mark by far is on the D. He would have to go to a team with some pieces in place on that side--we dont really have that.

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3/6/2011  7:17 PM
I was kinda hoping that you were gonna say Dwight Hardy when I saw this post As for Ben, I always kinda lumped him in the same category as Freeman from G-Town. They are tough, but they are definitely a step slow for the NBA. What seperates Jimmer from those guys is that Jimmer has the ability to create his shot in tight spaces, kinda like Deron Williams.
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3/6/2011  7:45 PM
I agree about Fredette Briggs, he needs to go to a team that can defend. At least a team with a semi-dominating center. That said, I would grab one of these guys as a shooter off the bench if we got a second round pick. We need someone who can defend AND score with our pick this year. Time for a thread like that of prospects...
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3/6/2011  8:10 PM
How tall is he? The reason Rautins is on the roster is that he'd give you a size advantage if he could develop the handle.
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3/6/2011  10:26 PM
JohnWallace44 wrote:How tall is he? The reason Rautins is on the roster is that he'd give you a size advantage if he could develop the handle.

Hes a big kid 6-3 210

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3/6/2011  11:23 PM
Heres a pretty good video of him. he looks like an MDA type PG to me. He shot 52% in BE play which was pretty sick. I think the way to build the team back up is to just go in and get two Landry fields from the draft---I think there will be a few of them--we bring in Jerome Jordan for SL--just build the asset base back up quickly--that is how we recover from giving up so much. I feel pretty good about who we have drafting and would like to see Dw stay on.

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3/7/2011  12:13 AM
I wonder why he's not any mock draft boards? He seems like a winner to me.
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3/7/2011  1:24 AM
Paladin55 wrote:
MooK wrote:Hansbrough got game. I like how he gets into the paint and finishes with contact. I hope he stays under the radar so the knicks can snatch him later in the draft but I doubt it. I see him rising after scouts evaluate him in the camps and workouts.

Hard to finds sleepers anymore, although Fields could be seen as one.

Hard to catch lightening in a bottle twice, though.

He is coming from a good team, and has a pedigree. He's already been spotted in the radar.

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The knicks (with Isaiah's help [shudder], catch alot of lightning. Fields, Chandler and Lee (though not as low), Ariza even TD. And I actually think Rautins might be a decent player. Its not like he has played alot and failed. The jury is still out on him but in the end he might in some way be quite helpful.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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3/7/2011  7:45 AM
From the video, I like his fakes and the way he uses his strength when he's going towards the hoop. He reminds me a little of Douglas because of his size, his ability to hit the 3 and because he doesn't seem to be a true point guard. I want us to get Markief Morris with our first round pick, but perhaps we could buy a later 1st rounder and draft Hansbrough. He's not going to last until our second round pick. I don't care what the draft boards say.
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3/7/2011  9:28 AM
I know highlight videos are misleading, but it sure looks like the kid could play in the NBA. And I am thinking more of a player like Nash- except this kid is probably more athletic.
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3/7/2011  1:03 PM
Would be a heck of a 2nd round pick to make.
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3/7/2011  1:04 PM
And about draft picks, other than our first round pick, do we have any 2nd rounder?
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3/7/2011  1:16 PM
I was watching ND yesterday.. that hansbrough kid is good.. is that tylers brother?
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3/7/2011  2:08 PM
Knicksfan wrote:And about draft picks, other than our first round pick, do we have any 2nd rounder?

I'm pretty sure we don't have a second round pick this year. We will have to buy one...

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By far--the most under rated propsect on any draft board(becasue he is not on any that i see)

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