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misterearl
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3/3/2011  11:51 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/3/2011  11:57 PM
The Nuggets are playing more like the 4 uptempo Knicks and the Nouveau Knicks are trying not to play like the old Nuggets.

“We’re always going to be a little bit of an iso, one-on-one kind of a team, which, to be honest with you, is pretty good,” D’Antoni said, a declaration that would have made jaws drop in Phoenix. (D'Antoni) followed with some important qualifiers: that the Knicks cannot “totally fall into” a one-on-one game, that the ball still needs to move, that the floor should be spaced and that the scoring should be shared.

“I think we’ll meet some place halfway in between,” he said Thursday, “because we don’t want to lose what Melo and those guys do the best. A lot of it is going one-on-one. They’re the best in the league at it.”

If a smaller player is guarding him, Anthony said his “natural instinct” was to take him in the post. But he fully embraces a system of ball movement and pick-and-roll plays that can get him open shots without grinding through defenders. “I didn’t have that in Denver,” (Melo) said. “It was just, go down there, get a bucket in the post and bully your way through. I did seven years of bullying, man, and my body, I can’t take it no more.”

“It’s kind of hard to double-team guys in this offensive set that we run,” Anthony said. “I like it, and it’s only going to get better.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/04/sports/basketball/04knicks.html?partner=rssnyt&emc=rss

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3/4/2011  12:05 AM
misterearl wrote:If a smaller player is guarding him, Anthony said his “natural instinct” was to take him in the post. But he fully embraces a system of ball movement and pick-and-roll plays that can get him open shots without grinding through defenders. “I didn’t have that in Denver,” (Melo) said. “It was just, go down there, get a bucket in the post and bully your way through. I did seven years of bullying, man, and my body, I can’t take it no more.”

I always thought Denver played a similar uptempo style to the D'Antoni's... and we currently do not have anyone who can shoot the ball as well as Afflalo... so not sure what he's thinking here.

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3/4/2011  12:21 AM
These 1 on 1 ISO's are old school knicks style and you need that in the playoffs. But, I completely agree that for this to work and to keep the double teams away, we need much better shooters (e.g. Korver, Kerr, Craig Hodges, Paxon). Rautins down the road?? :-)
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3/4/2011  12:54 AM
Pace-wise, Denver and New York were the most similar teams in the league heading into the trade. Denver was #1 in points per game, NY was #2.

Suddenly it's a bad thing to want to take the ball into the post.

Not sure I get the point of this thread - should a coach make adjustments for his personnel or not? I think he probably should.

This quote, from the same article linked above:

D'Antoni: “Really, there’s all kinds of different ways you can play it, and we’re going to try to maximize just what the players do.”

sounds like a coach with the right idea to me.

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3/4/2011  12:59 AM
Here's another quote from the article.

According to NBA.com StatsCube, the Knicks averaged 98.7 possessions a game before the trade and are averaging 99.5 possessions with Anthony. Five games is a tiny sample size, but perhaps the Knicks’ overall character has not changed.

The more things change the more they stay the same.

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3/4/2011  1:55 AM
There has always been a halfcourt aspect to the SSOL offense. The only thing that we aren't doing is running at every opportunity. We still get into our sets fairly quickly and still run the other plays we have. Just not as much PnR. Now we use other sets with motion and if that doesn't work we go into ISO mode. Denver's offense is actually nothing like Mike's system. The only thing that's the same is the fact that it's uptempo. So far we have seen less fastbreak BB, but the pace is still quick.

Mike is such a great offensive coach that he can adjust to any type of roster, but the key is do you have good players or not. Now we have good players and so he'll make use of their strengths and look to maximize them as always. People really should get his playbook and checkout all the cool stuff in there. MOST of Mike's offense is in the halfcourt. It's just that he likes to get into early offense, but if the defense gets back, which it does on most possessions, he's got tons of quick acting sets that can lead to a score fairly quickly, just not under 7 seconds. I just browsed thru my copy of some of his plays and I saw more and 50 plays he's got for the halfcourt and that wasn't all of them.

The biggest change is the use of the PnR, which has not been as prevalent as before the trade. We've seen the offense minus the fast pace when we had Duhon who almost never pushed the pace. SSOL or not, Mike's got plenty of nice stuff for this team which isn't suited as much to run SSOL.

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3/4/2011  2:09 AM
I don't think that offense is going to be an issue (though the offense will quickly change and be called TSOL (Twenty).

Let's see if he can get these guys playing defense every night. Every time you hear him in the huddle he is yelling "we gotta push the ball we gotta push the ball" while Doc Rivers and SVG are screaming "we need stops you need to stay with your guy". Priorities!

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3/4/2011  5:24 AM
Hey nixy, what is the playbook you are talking about, the SSOL book by Jack McCallum?
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3/4/2011  6:18 AM
crzymdups wrote:Here's another quote from the article.

According to NBA.com StatsCube, the Knicks averaged 98.7 possessions a game before the trade and are averaging 99.5 possessions with Anthony. Five games is a tiny sample size, but perhaps the Knicks’ overall character has not changed.

The more things change the more they stay the same.

Maybe that's Melo's quick shot attempts a la World B Free and his matador D!

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3/4/2011  7:21 AM
I hate it when Melo goes iso after just one pass on the possession, it drives me nuts ! Besides, he misses those iso shots quite often since the trade.
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3/4/2011  7:30 AM
“We try to tell [Douglas], we try to tell Landry, we try to tell Shawne, don’t worry about me or Amar’e,” Anthony said. “Let us feed off you guys. Let us read you guys. You guys play your game. That’s the only way we’re going to be successful.”

There was a play in the Hornets game where Carmelo had the ball in the backcourt, playing the role of Anthony Mason as a point forward. With Billups out for (perhaps) the next two games, it could be fun to watch the subtle adjustments by the three point amigos - Fields, Bill Walker and Shawne Williams - on offense.

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