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Can an NBA player learn to shoot? Is there hope for Fields?
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mreinman
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3/2/2011  9:45 PM
There are players that come into the NBA who don't really have a good shot such as Bruce Bowen and Derrick Fisher and they became shooters. Can repetition do the trick?

Landry Fields has a great all around (glue) game but without a better, more consistent shot, teams will double of him and it will hurt the team. Is there hope for him? TD would be so much more valuable as well if he could shoot more consistently.

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3/2/2011  9:47 PM
what?

fields can't shoot?

this is silly.

he ain't allan houston, but he can hit the long range shot...as we've seen all season...

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3/2/2011  9:47 PM
he made a nice move of the dribble tonight for a pull-up jumper. he seems like a hard worker - i think he can develop a jumper and pull-up to continue to be an effective player. he's never going to be a star or a scorer, he's just solid all around.
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3/2/2011  9:48 PM
Same recent examples:
Trevor Ariza.
David Lee.

Landry can shoot already though, just seems to have hit the rookie wall past couple weeks. It's something he'll probably work on over the next couple years and get a more consistent mid-range game, but even in his rookie year it's been dangerous to leave him alone from 3.

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3/2/2011  9:49 PM
^I think David Lee is a good comparison. Reminds me of DLee - hard hard worker, good feel for the game, despite not elite athleticism.
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3/2/2011  9:50 PM
hahaha this is friggin absurd. Fields is 31st in the league in 3P%

http://www.nba.com/statistics/player/3PointS.jsp?league=00&season=22010&conf=OVERALL&position=0&splitType=9&splitScope=GAME&qualified=Y&yearsExp=-1&splitDD=

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3/2/2011  9:57 PM
SupremeCommander wrote:hahaha this is friggin absurd. Fields is 31st in the league in 3P%

http://www.nba.com/statistics/player/3PointS.jsp?league=00&season=22010&conf=OVERALL&position=0&splitType=9&splitScope=GAME&qualified=Y&yearsExp=-1&splitDD=

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3/2/2011  9:58 PM
mountains out of molehills
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3/2/2011  10:00 PM
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3/2/2011  10:01 PM
He's good but he has to improve and based on the work ethic, he can...

Shooting is definitely something you can improve. I think there is one problem with any person that wants to be good shooters though. When they try to improve, they work on the "Proper" form or they mimic the players they loved watching. However, since everybody has different bodies, this doesn't always work, so Fields has to find out by himself what form works best for him and hopefully he will.

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3/2/2011  10:04 PM
Allanfan20 wrote:He's good but he has to improve and based on the work ethic, he can...

Shooting is definitely something you can improve. I think there is one problem with any person that wants to be good shooters though. When they try to improve, they work on the "Proper" form or they mimic the players they loved watching. However, since everybody has different bodies, this doesn't always work, so Fields has to find out by himself what form works best for him and hopefully he will.

I honestly always wonder about this - are some people/players just born with a natural shooting ability?

I could always shoot really well in high school and stuff - it felt like I could work on it and get better, but it also felt like it just came naturally.

I guess I've always wondered if shooting comes naturally or if it's something you can develop. I kind of tend to think that the guys who can shoot can shoot and the guys who can't will always be at a disadvantage no matter how much they work. Maybe that's crazy.

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3/2/2011  10:06 PM
David is a very good example. And, he is not bad from 3 but no mid range at all. Call it absurd but nobody/scout would consider him a shooter. 31st in the NBA could also be an aberation based on the number of 3's that he's taken and a hot streak but he is far from considered a good shooter. Lee became a good shooter and Bowen did as well, Ariza ... Is fields in that league? Duh, no way! Look beyond the stats - I have watched every game and yes he will some wide open 3's but far from showing any consistency.
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3/2/2011  10:06 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/2/2011  10:08 PM
The very LEAST one can do before starting s thread is a bit of research

Landry, leading the Knicks in fg efficiency, shoots 509 from the fields.

C'mon Son! GTFOHWTB

He will only get better. Dude is a freakin' rookie and has started since day one, without hitting the so-called rookie wall.

sheesh

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3/2/2011  10:07 PM
crzymdups wrote:^I think David Lee is a good comparison. Reminds me of DLee - hard hard worker, good feel for the game, despite not elite athleticism.

fields is a better defender than lee, though.

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3/2/2011  10:08 PM
He's not a bad shooter but is a set shooter so he needs to be completely open to hit a shot..any sort of pressure throws him off. He needs to get a pull up jumper off the dribble.
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3/2/2011  10:12 PM
PresIke wrote:
crzymdups wrote:^I think David Lee is a good comparison. Reminds me of DLee - hard hard worker, good feel for the game, despite not elite athleticism.

fields is a better defender than lee, though.

totally agree. but, still, their work ethic is similar.

and dlee wasn't so much a bad defender as he was just undersized for the PF position and trying to stay out of foul trouble and not a shotblocker. dlee was a good player... just not a great defender. and the horrible perimeter defense we had here for years made him look worse. he could have contested driving guys who beat their man from the perimeter, but he'd have fouled out after 15 minutes every night.

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3/2/2011  10:13 PM
mreinman wrote:There are players that come into the NBA who don't really have a good shot such as Bruce Bowen and Derrick Fisher and they became shooters. Can repetition do the trick?

Landry Fields has a great all around (glue) game but without a better, more consistent shot, teams will double of him and it will hurt the team. Is there hope for him? TD would be so much more valuable as well if he could shoot more consistently.

Do you watch the games? Landry can shoot.

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3/2/2011  10:13 PM
I think he's got a better feel for his shot than Gallo, and has been more efficient/productive than Gallo. You know, the same set of rules everyone was applying to Melo and to why he wasn't really a superstar
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3/2/2011  10:14 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/2/2011  10:14 PM
mreinman wrote:David is a very good example. And, he is not bad from 3 but no mid range at all. Call it absurd but nobody/scout would consider him a shooter. 31st in the NBA could also be an aberation based on the number of 3's that he's taken and a hot streak but he is far from considered a good shooter. Lee became a good shooter and Bowen did as well, Ariza ... Is fields in that league? Duh, no way! Look beyond the stats - I have watched every game and yes he will some wide open 3's but far from showing any consistency.

david lee is a good example of what? correct me if i'm wrong but lee is a pf/c who had ZERO jump shot until 2 years ago, when he started to work on it, seriously. last year it was effective, but shooting is often one of the things many players learn.

meanwhile, his being 31st in the league in 3 point %...that's a season long stat on fields. no one is saying he's a top 3 point specialist, but he's shooting 40% from 3. sorry, that's not an aberration, that's a good percentage for any shooter.

i'd like you to find some evidence, other than anecdotal game to game stats which anyone can find, on a consistent basis that supports your claims.

for someone who writes pretty well, this seems to be a rather odd assertion, imho.

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3/2/2011  10:15 PM
crzymdups wrote:
Allanfan20 wrote:He's good but he has to improve and based on the work ethic, he can...

Shooting is definitely something you can improve. I think there is one problem with any person that wants to be good shooters though. When they try to improve, they work on the "Proper" form or they mimic the players they loved watching. However, since everybody has different bodies, this doesn't always work, so Fields has to find out by himself what form works best for him and hopefully he will.

I honestly always wonder about this - are some people/players just born with a natural shooting ability?

I could always shoot really well in high school and stuff - it felt like I could work on it and get better, but it also felt like it just came naturally.

I guess I've always wondered if shooting comes naturally or if it's something you can develop. I kind of tend to think that the guys who can shoot can shoot and the guys who can't will always be at a disadvantage no matter how much they work. Maybe that's crazy.

I think the "Naturally good shooters" are born with bodies that are exactly suitable for shooting, but it still takes a ton of practice. Take Ray Allen for instance. Do you think he'd be nearly as good a shooter if he didn't have that practice routine he supposedly has? There's a lot of miniature components to shooting, and to top it off, you have to make adjustments are your body becomes older.

As for the non natural guys, you can still improve. Like I said, you just have to fiddle with different forms. Some people have to not worry about making it look pretty, like Shawn Marion and Kevin Martin, and this could be the case with Landry Fields too. You have practice what works, just like how the good shooters practice at what's "Natural" to them.

And again... you CANNOT mimic another guys shot. I used to try to shoot exactly like Allan Houston, back in HS. I had the whole form down, but not the great shot. Now I'm a good shooter, but I couldn't say my shot is pretty or ugly. It's just for me. Just like how nobody should mimic Tiger Woods golf swing or Barry Bonds baseball swing. Different forms are for different bodies. It's actually motor science.

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