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Knixkik
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3/2/2011  8:01 AM
I really think we have an opportunity to scare some teams in the playoffs this season, and by adding the right pieces in the off-season we have a shot to compete for a championship. We desperately need another scorer/6th man off the bench to take pressure off of the new big 3. Fields will be fine, but is only a 5th option on offense, and Douglas is too inconsistent at this point in his career. What options will be available this summer for wings who can come in an average 12-14 points a game off the bench without effective cap space going forward? Maybe Grant Hill or Richard Hamilton if he gets bought out?

Also, it seems as if between Douglas and the addition of Carter, we may be okay at the backup PG position for the time being. Maybe we can add Ford next season on a 1 year contract, but i don't think this is one of our biggest concerns any longer. Lastly, we really need to add a rebounding PF/C who either starts over Jeffries or at least comes off the bench for big minutes. I think our best options here are Markieff Morris with our first round pick or Jeff Foster on a one year deal. Either way this player needs to be able to contribute strong defense and rebounding for at least 20 minutes per game. At the end of the day, our roster should be made up something like this.

C Jeffries/Foster and/or Morris/Turiaf
PF Stoudemire/Shawne Williams
SF Anthony/6th man (Grant Hill, Hamilton, etc?)/Brown
SG Fields/Routins
PG Billips/Douglas/Carter


My question is, who are our best options for 6th man and a rebounding big man that could be available in the off-season?

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3/2/2011  8:33 AM
There are only 8 guys worth pencilling in from the current roster. Anthony Carter is on the bubble. Jeff Foster is a scrub. Shawne Williams is built for the three. Grant Hill is 67 years old. Rip Hamilton is done. Andy Rautins is unproven and will need to settle in to a position over the summer, Toney Douglas can go

Q. Knixkik - My question is, who are our best options for 6th man and a rebounding big man that could be available in the off-season?

A. Let's start by sliding players to the spots they can be most effective.

C unexpected Afro-Euro out of nowhere/ The Jerome Jordan audition/ with the first pick in the 2011 NBA draft... Jonas Valanciunas, 6'11 240 Lithuania
PF Stoudemire/ Turiaf/ Derrick Brown
SF Anthony/ Shawne Williams/ Jared Jeffries
SG Fields/ FA Summer League surprise
PG Billups/ Carter/ second round draft selection

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3/2/2011  8:51 AM
This team needs a rebounding center and a sharpshooting SG. 6th man role I am happy with Shawne and Walker and Fields.
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3/2/2011  9:19 AM
We need a lot of things, but Douglas is not the answer as a true backup, and Carter is eligible for Social Security benefits next year.

You also have to take into consideration Billups' age, and the fact that you may burn him out if you play him the way Duhon and Felton were played.

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3/2/2011  9:52 AM
Paladin55 wrote:We need a lot of things, but Douglas is not the answer as a true backup, and Carter is eligible for Social Security benefits next year.

You also have to take into consideration Billups' age, and the fact that you may burn him out if you play him the way Duhon and Felton were played.

I actually like Anthony Carter. Last night he managed the game pretty well when he was in. The only problem I saw from him was that he did not hit his shots. They were all open shots too. Hopefully more game time will fix this problem.

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3/2/2011  10:13 AM
NYKBocker wrote:
Paladin55 wrote:We need a lot of things, but Douglas is not the answer as a true backup, and Carter is eligible for Social Security benefits next year.

You also have to take into consideration Billups' age, and the fact that you may burn him out if you play him the way Duhon and Felton were played.

I actually like Anthony Carter. Last night he managed the game pretty well when he was in. The only problem I saw from him was that he did not hit his shots. They were all open shots too. Hopefully more game time will fix this problem.

Anthony Carter is what he is. The behind the backboard thing was once-in-a-lifetime. He is rugged, but not a very good shooter.

The Knicks shot selection and fg percentages can only get better. (fingers crossed)

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3/2/2011  10:21 AM    LAST EDITED: 3/2/2011  10:22 AM
Paladin55 wrote:We need a lot of things, but Douglas is not the answer as a true backup, and Carter is eligible for Social Security benefits next year.

You also have to take into consideration Billups' age, and the fact that you may burn him out if you play him the way Duhon and Felton were played.

Exactly.

Chauncey is a player coach who can provide 25 quality minutes. Anything more is tempting the basketball gods with a trip to the disabled list.

Toney Douglas does not have a string of Tiny Archibald or Dean Meminger in his DNA. Period. You either have it or you don't.

Andy Rautins would be wise to work on his handle and intuition.

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3/2/2011  10:23 AM
misterearl wrote:
Paladin55 wrote:We need a lot of things, but Douglas is not the answer as a true backup, and Carter is eligible for Social Security benefits next year.

You also have to take into consideration Billups' age, and the fact that you may burn him out if you play him the way Duhon and Felton were played.

Exactly.

Chauncey is a player coach who can provide 25 quality minutes. Anything more is tempting the basketball gods with a trip to the disabled list.

Toney Douglas does not have a string of Tiny Archibald or Dean Meminger in his DNA. Period. You either have it or you don't.

Andy Rautins would be wise to work on his handle and intuition.

With this group, I think Andy's skillset is what we really need. BUT..I think it is a little too late in the season for him. He needs to work on his handle in the off-season like you said. Hopefully, he can be the fix that we need for next year.

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3/2/2011  10:34 AM
misterearl wrote:There are only 8 guys worth pencilling in from the current roster. Anthony Carter is on the bubble. Jeff Foster is a scrub. Shawne Williams is built for the three. Grant Hill is 67 years old. Rip Hamilton is done. Andy Rautins is unproven and will need to settle in to a position over the summer, Toney Douglas can go

Q. Knixkik - My question is, who are our best options for 6th man and a rebounding big man that could be available in the off-season?

A. Let's start by sliding players to the spots they can be most effective.

C unexpected Afro-Euro out of nowhere/ The Jerome Jordan audition/ with the first pick in the 2011 NBA draft... Jonas Valanciunas, 6'11 240 Lithuania
PF Stoudemire/ Turiaf/ Derrick Brown
SF Anthony/ Shawne Williams/ Jared Jeffries
SG Fields/ FA Summer League surprise
PG Billups/ Carter/ second round draft selection

We likely won't get Jonas Valanciunas with our draft pick. He is a top-10 pick. Draftexpress currently has him at number 2 overall. Your need to start with more realistic draft targets. I think at this point Markieff Morris or Jujuan Johnson are the most realistic targets who can fill needs, can contribute right away, and still have good upside.

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3/2/2011  10:34 AM
NYKBocker wrote:
misterearl wrote:
Paladin55 wrote:We need a lot of things, but Douglas is not the answer as a true backup, and Carter is eligible for Social Security benefits next year.

You also have to take into consideration Billups' age, and the fact that you may burn him out if you play him the way Duhon and Felton were played.

Exactly.

Chauncey is a player coach who can provide 25 quality minutes. Anything more is tempting the basketball gods with a trip to the disabled list.

Toney Douglas does not have a string of Tiny Archibald or Dean Meminger in his DNA. Period. You either have it or you don't.

Andy Rautins would be wise to work on his handle and intuition.

With this group, I think Andy's skillset is what we really need. BUT..I think it is a little too late in the season for him. He needs to work on his handle in the off-season like you said. Hopefully, he can be the fix that we need for next year.

Agree. Remember the guys in high school who were mandated to dribble a basketball everywhere they went?

Rautins needs to make good use of his summer and move in with Clyde.

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3/2/2011  10:38 AM
Knixkik wrote:
misterearl wrote:There are only 8 guys worth pencilling in from the current roster. Anthony Carter is on the bubble. Jeff Foster is a scrub. Shawne Williams is built for the three. Grant Hill is 67 years old. Rip Hamilton is done. Andy Rautins is unproven and will need to settle in to a position over the summer, Toney Douglas can go

Q. Knixkik - My question is, who are our best options for 6th man and a rebounding big man that could be available in the off-season?

A. Let's start by sliding players to the spots they can be most effective.

C unexpected Afro-Euro out of nowhere/ The Jerome Jordan audition/ with the first pick in the 2011 NBA draft... Jonas Valanciunas, 6'11 240 Lithuania
PF Stoudemire/ Turiaf/ Derrick Brown
SF Anthony/ Shawne Williams/ Jared Jeffries
SG Fields/ FA Summer League surprise
PG Billups/ Carter/ second round draft selection

We likely won't get Jonas Valanciunas with our draft pick. He is a top-10 pick. Draftexpress currently has him at number 2 overall. Your need to start with more realistic draft targets. I think at this point Markieff Morris or Jujuan Johnson are the most realistic targets who can fill needs, can contribute right away, and still have good upside.

Draft picks are pure speculation. Valanciunas was chosen to address a need. More important, was the re-arrangement of Turiaf to the 4 spot, Williams to 3 and Jeffries to small forward.

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3/2/2011  10:41 AM
misterearl wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
misterearl wrote:There are only 8 guys worth pencilling in from the current roster. Anthony Carter is on the bubble. Jeff Foster is a scrub. Shawne Williams is built for the three. Grant Hill is 67 years old. Rip Hamilton is done. Andy Rautins is unproven and will need to settle in to a position over the summer, Toney Douglas can go

Q. Knixkik - My question is, who are our best options for 6th man and a rebounding big man that could be available in the off-season?

A. Let's start by sliding players to the spots they can be most effective.

C unexpected Afro-Euro out of nowhere/ The Jerome Jordan audition/ with the first pick in the 2011 NBA draft... Jonas Valanciunas, 6'11 240 Lithuania
PF Stoudemire/ Turiaf/ Derrick Brown
SF Anthony/ Shawne Williams/ Jared Jeffries
SG Fields/ FA Summer League surprise
PG Billups/ Carter/ second round draft selection

We likely won't get Jonas Valanciunas with our draft pick. He is a top-10 pick. Draftexpress currently has him at number 2 overall. Your need to start with more realistic draft targets. I think at this point Markieff Morris or Jujuan Johnson are the most realistic targets who can fill needs, can contribute right away, and still have good upside.

Draft picks are pure speculation. Valanciunas was chosen to address a need. More important, was the re-arrangement of Turiaf to the 4 spot, Williams to 3 and Jeffries to small forward.

There are 2 paths that teams take in the draft. Draft the best available or draft based on need. I think with our team where we are pretty much set at PF, SF, PG for next year. We need to draft based on need. SG we can still get away with Fields. Who knows, with his work ethic he might develop to be a sharpshooter. Our need is C that can rebound. That is what we should be drafting this summer.

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3/3/2011  8:43 AM    LAST EDITED: 3/3/2011  9:26 AM
We'll have to see how the draft begins to take shape once the summer hits but the two guys I'd like to see us add are 6'11" C Keith Benson and 6'5" SG Marshon Brooks..They'd be perfect additions for this club...I'm thinking legit skilled center and potent 6th man with these two...Benson could turn into a well-rounded center fairly quickly that could contribute in all areas (score it inside & out, grab double-digit rebounds, best shot-blocker in the country) once he adds only another 5-10 lbs. of muscle (which I think could be done fairly quickly--he's said to be playing at 230 lbs. this year) and a 2G off the bench behind Fields that can basically do it all as well -- score the ball at a monster clip in a variety of ways and at a good shooting % overall, handle it a little, rebound it very well for a 2, plus contribute some steals and blocks with his superior length (not sure about his official measurements but this dude looks very long to me--we'll have to wait for the Combine)...There's a ton a value here when you sit back and think about what both guys can do..As for drafting a PG, I'm not sure there's a good enough one early or late to justify taking -- I like guys like Kemba Walker, Demetri McCamey, Purdue's E'twaun Moore is a guy I've seen a few times now that's impressive even though he's probably more of an off-guard in the OJ Mayo mold, etc.. all for different reasons but in the end I'm not sure any would be that difference-maker/future full-time quarterback we'll need..Plus I think we're fine next year with a Billups/Douglas combo at the point (more than fine actually & maybe Anthony Carter comes back on the cheap too) to bridge the gap to 2012 when Paul and D-Will are FAs (something I'm sure we're already targeting)...I think beefing up other areas makes a little more sense....Adding a legit center with skills and a 6th man via FA would cost a TON in terms of cap room, room we just don't have and room we're gonna need to preserve for the following year -- we have a shot to do it for minimal cost going this route..

As usual I'll be looking for us to max out this draft, meaning we need to add at least one additional pick --- how we go about doing that, I'm not sure -- purchase one outright, parlay our 1st rounder to a team that has 2 later ones, etc..If they don't pursue a guy like Benson thinking they already have something similar coming in Jerome Jordan and instead look to add more muscle & rebounding with a Jordan Williams or a Ken Faried, I'd be OK with that too (although coming away with a J Jordan/Benson center combo for the future with Turiaf going 1 more year as a bridge back-up 4 wouldn't be terrible either---we already have perhaps the game's best PF in Stoudemire anyway..Benson looks to be more skilled than Jerome Jordan..Maybe we grab Benson & then use J Jordan's rights, Andy Rautins, along with cash to grab that extra pick???)..I'd love to get an extra pick and grab this kid Brooks from Providence..Saw him again last night and although he didn't have a great game, I think he's the goods. Dude can do a lot of things and he's had a great senior year that includes several monster games..I think he'd bring a ton of firepower off the bench, even in year one, and for the right price..And I like the fact that he's not just a scorer..

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3/3/2011  9:46 AM
misterearl wrote:Chauncey is a player coach who can provide 25 quality minutes. Anything more is tempting the basketball gods with a trip to the disabled list.

This is just flat out stupid.

He's playing at a high level this year playing 32 minutes. PG's hwo have 2, 3, 4 years on him (Kidd and Nash) are still playing 31 minutes plus.

You're picking an arbitrary number completely out of thin air.

But I'll invite you to prove me wrong. By what empirical basis did you arrive at the "25 minutes" figure?

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3/3/2011  10:50 AM
Knixkik wrote:I really think we have an opportunity to scare some teams in the playoffs this season, and by adding the right pieces in the off-season we have a shot to compete for a championship. We desperately need another scorer/6th man off the bench to take pressure off of the new big 3. Fields will be fine, but is only a 5th option on offense, and Douglas is too inconsistent at this point in his career. What options will be available this summer for wings who can come in an average 12-14 points a game off the bench without effective cap space going forward? Maybe Grant Hill or Richard Hamilton if he gets bought out?

Also, it seems as if between Douglas and the addition of Carter, we may be okay at the backup PG position for the time being. Maybe we can add Ford next season on a 1 year contract, but i don't think this is one of our biggest concerns any longer. Lastly, we really need to add a rebounding PF/C who either starts over Jeffries or at least comes off the bench for big minutes. I think our best options here are Markieff Morris with our first round pick or Jeff Foster on a one year deal. Either way this player needs to be able to contribute strong defense and rebounding for at least 20 minutes per game. At the end of the day, our roster should be made up something like this.

C Jeffries/Foster and/or Morris/Turiaf
PF Stoudemire/Shawne Williams
SF Anthony/6th man (Grant Hill, Hamilton, etc?)/Brown
SG Fields/Routins
PG Billips/Douglas/Carter


My question is, who are our best options for 6th man and a rebounding big man that could be available in the off-season?

I like both of those moves. I don't think Markieff Morris will be ready to start from day one. I'd sign Foster to start with Morris coming off the bench. Forget Jeffries as part of the rotation.

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3/3/2011  11:05 AM
Knickoftime wrote:
misterearl wrote:Chauncey is a player coach who can provide 25 quality minutes. Anything more is tempting the basketball gods with a trip to the disabled list.

This is just flat out stupid.

He's playing at a high level this year playing 32 minutes. PG's hwo have 2, 3, 4 years on him (Kidd and Nash) are still playing 31 minutes plus.

You're picking an arbitrary number completely out of thin air.

But I'll invite you to prove me wrong. By what empirical basis did you arrive at the "25 minutes" figure?

Empirical evidence? I pulled the figure out of thin air.

Stupid or uncanny coincidence? The basketball gods have spoken. Chauncey Billups is out until Sunday.

One thing is certain, those bruises take a bit longer to heal at 34 than at 24.

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