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One Key To The Knicks Being Great Is Landry Fields Being Included
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3/1/2011  8:05 AM
The Big Four

“Chauncey’s the guy with the ball in his hands, and the guy who’s got a ring on his finger,” D’Antoni said. “So Chauncey’s the one who’s going to decide who gets to win the game for us in that situation.”

Landry Fields' 1-8 against the Heat was an aberration. Landry is still owns and EFF Rating of + 14.81, whatever that means, and is the most efficient shooter with 51 percent from the fields. If the Knicks run a decoy center like Jeffries, the other four men on offense would be wise to emphasize balance.

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3/1/2011  8:08 AM
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3/1/2011  8:16 AM
Fields has been looking a bit lost out their lately. He has to go back to his type of game, tip-ins, hustle points and more time spent on prefecting his 3 ball from the corner.
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3/1/2011  8:24 AM
Sangfroid wrote:Fields has been looking a bit lost out their lately. He has to go back to his type of game, tip-ins, hustle points and more time spent on prefecting his 3 ball from the corner.

We don't spread out like we did so the things are a bit crowded. I don't think Billups sees him yet, nor are we moving the ball where Amare gets the ball in and the wings curl around him. Also the ball is not being passed around and into the corner. Shawne Williams is not in the corners like he was either. Gallo if not wide open was very good about kicking it to the wide open Landry. As Gallo went more to the basket kicking it out to Lando was less frequent. Melo will never kick it out as he thinks he can always get a good shot.

They are still feeling things out. Landry will be fine.

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Sangfroid wrote:Fields has been looking a bit lost out their lately. He has to go back to his type of game, tip-ins, hustle points and more time spent on prefecting his 3 ball from the corner.

I thought he was doing the same thing that he has always been doing. Moving well without the ball. Its just that Melo is not finding him.

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3/1/2011  8:25 AM
of the guys we gave up, Felton, Gallo, Chandler and Mosgov Fields has the LEAST talent. He plays hard and he's smart. Lets not mistake that with a superstar talent. Fields is a very average defender, has a hard time keeping his man in front of his and shown no ability to create his own shot. He plays really hard, has shot the ball pretty good and makes some nice passes. The best part of our young roster is playing in Denver.
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3/1/2011  8:27 AM
The Big Backcourt (BBC)

Sangfroid - If Chauncey and Fields get in sync, it could ease some of the burden on Mister Big Shot to make every big play. As we have seen, Fields is an excellent passer and his three point range opens the court. The open looks will be there for Fields to take and make.

Fields can also use his 6'7 height to pick up the defense when Chancey needs to coast.

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3/1/2011  8:32 AM    LAST EDITED: 3/1/2011  8:33 AM
misterearl wrote:The Big Backcourt (BBC)

Sangfroid - If Chauncey and Fields get in sync, it could ease some of the burden on Mister Big Shot to make every big play. As we have seen, Fields is an excellent passer and his three point range opens the court. The open looks will be there for Fields to take and make.

Fields can also use his 6'7 height to pick up the defense when Chancey needs to coast.

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3/1/2011  9:12 AM
The spacing is definitely off and that's killing Landry. He's a product of D'Antoni's system to a large extent and we're not really running that system yet. Playing Walker and Williams got us back to something resembling SSoL.

I really think that the problem is that Melo doesn't trust the system yet. He needs to play in the same spaces on the floor that Chandler did. If he lets the pick and roll happen out top with him starting from the right corner, Amare dives and Chauncey hits Melo curling while the defense is collapsing in... that's ten times the space that he's ever had to work with. Chandler killed the mid range jumpers on plays like that. Instead Melo is starting from the high post most of the time.

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3/1/2011  9:28 AM
fishmike wrote:of the guys we gave up, Felton, Gallo, Chandler and Mosgov Fields has the LEAST talent. He plays hard and he's smart. Lets not mistake that with a superstar talent. Fields is a very average defender, has a hard time keeping his man in front of his and shown no ability to create his own shot. He plays really hard, has shot the ball pretty good and makes some nice passes. The best part of our young roster is playing in Denver.

I disagree. We kept the player with the best basketball instincts. Unlike Gallo and Chandler, Fields does not need the ball to have an impact on the game. You need a guy who focuses on intangibles while Stat and Melo will be responsible for carrying the offensive load.

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3/1/2011  9:30 AM
JrZyHuStLa wrote:
fishmike wrote:of the guys we gave up, Felton, Gallo, Chandler and Mosgov Fields has the LEAST talent. He plays hard and he's smart. Lets not mistake that with a superstar talent. Fields is a very average defender, has a hard time keeping his man in front of his and shown no ability to create his own shot. He plays really hard, has shot the ball pretty good and makes some nice passes. The best part of our young roster is playing in Denver.

I disagree. We kept the player with the best basketball instincts. Unlike Gallo and Chandler, Fields does not need the ball to have an impact on the game. You need a guy who focuses on intangibles while Stat and Melo will be responsible for carrying the offensive load.

Gallo, even when he didn't have the ball, he balled hard on D and made it tough for the other team. We saw this in his first game for Denver. The guy has the best basketball instincts in the league, or close to it. So don't tell me Fields has better instincts.

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3/1/2011  9:39 AM
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JrZyHuStLa wrote:
fishmike wrote:of the guys we gave up, Felton, Gallo, Chandler and Mosgov Fields has the LEAST talent. He plays hard and he's smart. Lets not mistake that with a superstar talent. Fields is a very average defender, has a hard time keeping his man in front of his and shown no ability to create his own shot. He plays really hard, has shot the ball pretty good and makes some nice passes. The best part of our young roster is playing in Denver.

I disagree. We kept the player with the best basketball instincts. Unlike Gallo and Chandler, Fields does not need the ball to have an impact on the game. You need a guy who focuses on intangibles while Stat and Melo will be responsible for carrying the offensive load.

Gallo, even when he didn't have the ball, he balled hard on D and made it tough for the other team. We saw this in his first game for Denver. The guy has the best basketball instincts in the league, or close to it. So don't tell me Fields has better instincts.

Gallo was a decent defender, he was far from great. He'll never be all nba defensive team material, so I think your post has limited validity to it. And he really hurted the team with some of his awful shooting nights. Gallo was asked to do too much in NY, and was struggling. Im so glad we kept Fields over this guy. Hes going to learn a lot of good things from Chauncey that won't show up in the box score. The last thing a Dantoni team with 2 of the top 5 scorers needed was a chucker like Gallo.

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3/1/2011  9:41 AM
JrZyHuStLa wrote:
orangeblobman wrote:
JrZyHuStLa wrote:
fishmike wrote:of the guys we gave up, Felton, Gallo, Chandler and Mosgov Fields has the LEAST talent. He plays hard and he's smart. Lets not mistake that with a superstar talent. Fields is a very average defender, has a hard time keeping his man in front of his and shown no ability to create his own shot. He plays really hard, has shot the ball pretty good and makes some nice passes. The best part of our young roster is playing in Denver.

I disagree. We kept the player with the best basketball instincts. Unlike Gallo and Chandler, Fields does not need the ball to have an impact on the game. You need a guy who focuses on intangibles while Stat and Melo will be responsible for carrying the offensive load.

Gallo, even when he didn't have the ball, he balled hard on D and made it tough for the other team. We saw this in his first game for Denver. The guy has the best basketball instincts in the league, or close to it. So don't tell me Fields has better instincts.

Gallo was a decent defender, he was far from great. He'll never be all nba defensive team material, so I think your post has limited validity to it. And he really hurted the team with some of his awful shooting nights. Gallo was asked to do too much in NY, and was struggling. Im so glad we kept Fields over this guy. Hes going to learn a lot of good things from Chauncey that won't show up in the box score. The last thing a Dantoni team with 2 of the top 5 scorers needed was a chucker like Gallo.

Lol. Okay. I don't think Gallo hurt this team at all. You're calling Gallo a chucker. That's way overboard. I suspect a personal dislike of Gallo, and I am not knocking you for it. But you are throwing stuff overboard I think. Way over the line. Gallo was asked to do too little and is one of the most sound basketball minds in the entire NBA. Any team he is on benefits greatly. Fields will never equal Gallo, not in any regard.

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3/1/2011  9:56 AM
orangeblobman wrote:
JrZyHuStLa wrote:
orangeblobman wrote:
JrZyHuStLa wrote:
fishmike wrote:of the guys we gave up, Felton, Gallo, Chandler and Mosgov Fields has the LEAST talent. He plays hard and he's smart. Lets not mistake that with a superstar talent. Fields is a very average defender, has a hard time keeping his man in front of his and shown no ability to create his own shot. He plays really hard, has shot the ball pretty good and makes some nice passes. The best part of our young roster is playing in Denver.

I disagree. We kept the player with the best basketball instincts. Unlike Gallo and Chandler, Fields does not need the ball to have an impact on the game. You need a guy who focuses on intangibles while Stat and Melo will be responsible for carrying the offensive load.

Gallo, even when he didn't have the ball, he balled hard on D and made it tough for the other team. We saw this in his first game for Denver. The guy has the best basketball instincts in the league, or close to it. So don't tell me Fields has better instincts.

Gallo was a decent defender, he was far from great. He'll never be all nba defensive team material, so I think your post has limited validity to it. And he really hurted the team with some of his awful shooting nights. Gallo was asked to do too much in NY, and was struggling. Im so glad we kept Fields over this guy. Hes going to learn a lot of good things from Chauncey that won't show up in the box score. The last thing a Dantoni team with 2 of the top 5 scorers needed was a chucker like Gallo.

Lol. Okay. I don't think Gallo hurt this team at all. You're calling Gallo a chucker. That's way overboard. I suspect a personal dislike of Gallo, and I am not knocking you for it. But you are throwing stuff overboard I think. Way over the line. Gallo was asked to do too little and is one of the most sound basketball minds in the entire NBA. Any team he is on benefits greatly. Fields will never equal Gallo, not in any regard.

Right on all accounts (though I'm not commenting on the 'personal dislike' stuff). Gallo will never equal Fields, as Gallo will never be the best at his position at something in the NBA as Fields is the best SG in the NBA at rebounding.

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3/1/2011  9:59 AM
fishmike wrote:of the guys we gave up, Felton, Gallo, Chandler and Mosgov Fields has the LEAST talent. He plays hard and he's smart. Lets not mistake that with a superstar talent. Fields is a very average defender, has a hard time keeping his man in front of his and shown no ability to create his own shot. He plays really hard, has shot the ball pretty good and makes some nice passes. The best part of our young roster is playing in Denver.

but let's not forget this is his first year for crying out loud and he's far exceeded our expectations so don't compare him with those other guys(minus mozgov) who have a few more years in the league.

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3/1/2011  10:05 AM
JrZyHuStLa wrote:
orangeblobman wrote:
JrZyHuStLa wrote:
fishmike wrote:of the guys we gave up, Felton, Gallo, Chandler and Mosgov Fields has the LEAST talent. He plays hard and he's smart. Lets not mistake that with a superstar talent. Fields is a very average defender, has a hard time keeping his man in front of his and shown no ability to create his own shot. He plays really hard, has shot the ball pretty good and makes some nice passes. The best part of our young roster is playing in Denver.

I disagree. We kept the player with the best basketball instincts. Unlike Gallo and Chandler, Fields does not need the ball to have an impact on the game. You need a guy who focuses on intangibles while Stat and Melo will be responsible for carrying the offensive load.

Gallo, even when he didn't have the ball, he balled hard on D and made it tough for the other team. We saw this in his first game for Denver. The guy has the best basketball instincts in the league, or close to it. So don't tell me Fields has better instincts.

Gallo was a decent defender, he was far from great. He'll never be all nba defensive team material, so I think your post has limited validity to it. And he really hurted the team with some of his awful shooting nights. Gallo was asked to do too much in NY, and was struggling. Im so glad we kept Fields over this guy. Hes going to learn a lot of good things from Chauncey that won't show up in the box score. The last thing a Dantoni team with 2 of the top 5 scorers needed was a chucker like Gallo.

+1

the hypnotic spell that Gallo has on some of the grown men on this forum amazes me.

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SlimChin wrote:
fishmike wrote:of the guys we gave up, Felton, Gallo, Chandler and Mosgov Fields has the LEAST talent. He plays hard and he's smart. Lets not mistake that with a superstar talent. Fields is a very average defender, has a hard time keeping his man in front of his and shown no ability to create his own shot. He plays really hard, has shot the ball pretty good and makes some nice passes. The best part of our young roster is playing in Denver.

but let's not forget this is his first year for crying out loud and he's far exceeded our expectations so don't compare him with those other guys(minus mozgov) who have a few more years in the league.

I agree with Slim, and would emphasis that Landry probably has been asked to play within himself and do the simple stuff early on: concentrate on D, hit the open shot, rebound the ball.

You can see that Fields has been starting to go to rim recently, not very successfully but it's there. I guarantee that you will see a faster jumpshot after the summer, coaches know that he has got to change that but you can't address it during a season.

Rebounding is a talent, so is hitting big shots late in game.

Landry is a hard worker, and that's the key to adding any type of skill at that level.

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3/1/2011  10:46 AM
martin wrote:
SlimChin wrote:
fishmike wrote:of the guys we gave up, Felton, Gallo, Chandler and Mosgov Fields has the LEAST talent. He plays hard and he's smart. Lets not mistake that with a superstar talent. Fields is a very average defender, has a hard time keeping his man in front of his and shown no ability to create his own shot. He plays really hard, has shot the ball pretty good and makes some nice passes. The best part of our young roster is playing in Denver.

but let's not forget this is his first year for crying out loud and he's far exceeded our expectations so don't compare him with those other guys(minus mozgov) who have a few more years in the league.

I agree with Slim, and would emphasis that Landry probably has been asked to play within himself and do the simple stuff early on: concentrate on D, hit the open shot, rebound the ball.

You can see that Fields has been starting to go to rim recently, not very successfully but it's there. I guarantee that you will see a faster jumpshot after the summer, coaches know that he has got to change that but you can't address it during a season.

Rebounding is a talent, so is hitting big shots late in game.

Landry is a hard worker, and that's the key to adding any type of skill at that level.

He had that nasty pump fake/dunk shot in the Milwaukee game

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3/1/2011  11:13 AM
I can't wait to see him flying in on a missed free throw to put us up with 2 seconds left in a playoff game...can't wait.
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Sangfroid wrote:Fields has been looking a bit lost out their lately. He has to go back to his type of game, tip-ins, hustle points and more time spent on prefecting his 3 ball from the corner.

I thought he was doing the same thing that he has always been doing. Moving well without the ball. Its just that Melo is not finding him.

Melo will learn like Amare did. When Landry feeds the post, he doesn't do one of those BS give n go/clear space cuts where he's just going through the motions. Dude cuts HARD and puts pressure on the defense. Amare's been getting much better at racking up easy assists by finding Landry. Melo will learn. Billups will learn.

Big leap of faith here but I can imagine Amare and Chauncey getting in Melo's ear about those missed opportunities when he's posting up and misses a wide open Landry under the basket.

Let's try to elevate the level of discourse in this byeetch. Please
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