[ IMAGES: Images ON turn off | ACCOUNT: User Status is LOCKED why? ]

Outrebounded by Clevland 62-42? - not this year folks!
Author Thread
mreinman
Posts: 37827
Alba Posts: 1
Joined: 7/14/2010
Member: #3189

2/27/2011  1:07 AM
You can't win without defense and some size. Where will we find rebounds? JJ? I don't think so.
so here is what phil is thinking ....
AUTOADVERT
BlueSeats
Posts: 27272
Alba Posts: 41
Joined: 11/6/2005
Member: #1024

2/27/2011  2:43 AM
We rank worst in the league in rebounds given up. Worst in the league.
mreinman
Posts: 37827
Alba Posts: 1
Joined: 7/14/2010
Member: #3189

2/27/2011  2:49 AM
Basketball 101:

When your man is bigger and longer than you, hold your position. Do not jump to the ball, box out and let the ball come to you. Maybe Herb Williams is not the guy to teach this. The knicks players aside from being undersized do not seem to have rebounding fundamentals.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
Killa4luv
Posts: 27769
Alba Posts: 51
Joined: 6/23/2002
Member: #261
USA
2/27/2011  3:46 AM
I think this is stupid. But just so you know, when we got MRBURY WE lost our first game. to who?
the cleveland caviliers. if memory serves me.
Childs2Dudley
Posts: 23906
Alba Posts: 5
Joined: 1/25/2010
Member: #3051
USA
2/27/2011  4:01 AM
Killa4luv wrote:I think this is stupid. But just so you know, when we got MRBURY WE lost our first game. to who?
the cleveland caviliers. if memory serves me.

Yes, that was one of many losses to come during the Isiah-Marbury Era.

"Our attitude toward life determines life's attitude towards us." - Earl Nightingale
knickstorrents
Posts: 21121
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 1/23/2010
Member: #3050
Hong Kong
2/27/2011  4:36 AM
Killa4luv wrote:I think this is stupid. But just so you know, when we got MRBURY WE lost our first game. to who?
the cleveland caviliers. if memory serves me.

The unfortunate thing about this comment is... is Melo really that different and or a better player than Marbury? Melo seems a bit braindead to me.

Rose is not the answer.
Bonn1997
Posts: 58654
Alba Posts: 2
Joined: 2/2/2004
Member: #581
USA
2/27/2011  8:10 AM
knickstorrents wrote:
Killa4luv wrote:I think this is stupid. But just so you know, when we got MRBURY WE lost our first game. to who?
the cleveland caviliers. if memory serves me.

The unfortunate thing about this comment is... is Melo really that different and or a better player than Marbury? Melo seems a bit braindead to me.

No, we've returned to the Melobury approach. I know it's hard to remember this now but Marbury was an all-star and olympian and there was actually much more support for him and the trade that brought him here than for Melo and the trade bringing him here. In the first year (when players with baggage are on their best behavior), the team was .532 with Marbury and I'd be surprised if we have that success with Melo this year.

Knicksfan
Posts: 33475
Alba Posts: 27
Joined: 7/5/2004
Member: #691
USA
2/27/2011  8:22 AM
So now Melo is the new Marbury? Tough crowd!
Knicks_Fan
babyKnicks
Posts: 22486
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 10/31/2006
Member: #1191
USA
2/27/2011  8:24 AM
Knicksfan wrote:So now Melo is the new Marbury? Tough crowd!

If by tough you mean comically dillusional than def.

Let's go Knicks. That's amare
Ira
Posts: 24688
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 8/14/2001
Member: #91
2/27/2011  8:32 AM
Give Shelden Williams some playing time.
Finestrg
Posts: 27296
Alba Posts: 1
Joined: 1/1/2006
Member: #1069

2/27/2011  8:40 AM
Ira wrote:Give Shelden Williams some playing time.

I agree. See if he can help...Spoelstra plays Joel Anthony, why can't Mike at least try this guy?

nixluva
Posts: 56258
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 10/5/2004
Member: #758
USA
2/27/2011  8:40 AM
Ira wrote:Give Shelden Williams some playing time.

He may yet play, but we need to be realistic about his ability to make a difference. You can't just stick guys in and expect them to be successful. Mike doesn't want this guy all in the way on offense. What does he do playing with STAT and MELO on the floor? Both of our stars want space to go to the basket. Where would he position himself on offense? Does he know what to do in this system? It might be that he needs more than one practice to get comfortable. And that's all he had before the Cavs game. Maybe he gets a shot this game, but fans have to start being realistic with how unprepared these new players are. This is a new system for them and they won't know what to do. It's the same with trying to insert someone in to the Triangle offense. IF they don't know it, they won't be able to just wing it.
scoshin
Posts: 20584
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 1/23/2004
Member: #568
2/27/2011  9:30 AM
nixluva wrote:
Ira wrote:Give Shelden Williams some playing time.

He may yet play, but we need to be realistic about his ability to make a difference. You can't just stick guys in and expect them to be successful. Mike doesn't want this guy all in the way on offense. What does he do playing with STAT and MELO on the floor? Both of our stars want space to go to the basket. Where would he position himself on offense? Does he know what to do in this system? It might be that he needs more than one practice to get comfortable. And that's all he had before the Cavs game. Maybe he gets a shot this game, but fans have to start being realistic with how unprepared these new players are. This is a new system for them and they won't know what to do. It's the same with trying to insert someone in to the Triangle offense. IF they don't know it, they won't be able to just wing it.

And that's the problem with Mike D. He stresses offense at the expense of better rebounding or more size. I'm getting sick of this gimmicky system. Our "big three" put up 84 points combined against Cleveland. 67 against Milwaukee. This is all with one practice together, and the three mainly playing iso-ball cause they don't know each other's sweet spots.

Scoring shouldn't be a problem. We need a defensive/rebounding roleplayer at C. I don't think Shelden Williams will give us much, but hey, when you're getting outrebounded by 20, and making JJ Hickson look like Kevin Love, maybe it wouldn't hurt to give him a try?

misterearl
Posts: 38786
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 11/16/2004
Member: #799
USA
2/27/2011  9:32 AM
For some reason I am having a difficult time understanding the fascination for Shelden Williams. He has already had auditions for six different teams, not counting the Atlanta Hawks on two separate occasions. He has never played on a team for two consecutive seasons. When a player is bounced around that much that should be a caution signal that dude is not that good.

Just because he is new does not mean he can play.

once a knick always a knick
nykshaknbake
Posts: 22247
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 11/15/2003
Member: #492
2/27/2011  9:45 AM
misterearl wrote:For some reason I am having a difficult time understanding the fascination for Shelden Williams. He has already had auditions for six different teams, not counting the Atlanta Hawks on two separate occasions. He has never played on a team for two consecutive seasons. When a player is bounced around that much that should be a caution signal that dude is not that good.

Just because he is new does not mean he can play.

It's doubtful he'll have a major positive effect but maybe we only get outrebounded by 10 or so instead of 20.

misterearl
Posts: 38786
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 11/16/2004
Member: #799
USA
2/27/2011  9:50 AM
nykshaknbake wrote:
misterearl wrote:For some reason I am having a difficult time understanding the fascination for Shelden Williams. He has already had auditions for six different teams, not counting the Atlanta Hawks on two separate occasions. He has never played on a team for two consecutive seasons. When a player is bounced around that much that should be a caution signal that dude is not that good.

Just because he is new does not mean he can play.

It's doubtful he'll have a major positive effect but maybe we only get outrebounded by 10 or so instead of 20.

Shelden averages 4 rebounds for his career. You get outrebounded by 16.

You do the math.

once a knick always a knick
Finestrg
Posts: 27296
Alba Posts: 1
Joined: 1/1/2006
Member: #1069

2/27/2011  10:13 AM
scoshin wrote:
nixluva wrote:
Ira wrote:Give Shelden Williams some playing time.

He may yet play, but we need to be realistic about his ability to make a difference. You can't just stick guys in and expect them to be successful. Mike doesn't want this guy all in the way on offense. What does he do playing with STAT and MELO on the floor? Both of our stars want space to go to the basket. Where would he position himself on offense? Does he know what to do in this system? It might be that he needs more than one practice to get comfortable. And that's all he had before the Cavs game. Maybe he gets a shot this game, but fans have to start being realistic with how unprepared these new players are. This is a new system for them and they won't know what to do. It's the same with trying to insert someone in to the Triangle offense. IF they don't know it, they won't be able to just wing it.

And that's the problem with Mike D. He stresses offense at the expense of better rebounding or more size. I'm getting sick of this gimmicky system. Our "big three" put up 84 points combined against Cleveland. 67 against Milwaukee. This is all with one practice together, and the three mainly playing iso-ball cause they don't know each other's sweet spots.

Scoring shouldn't be a problem. We need a defensive/rebounding roleplayer at C. I don't think Shelden Williams will give us much, but hey, when you're getting outrebounded by 20, and making JJ Hickson look like Kevin Love, maybe it wouldn't hurt to give him a try?

Bingo..Right now we have to deal with the cards we were dealt..The trade deadline has come & gone, the draft & FA isn't until the summer..You start addressing the rebounding problem with Shelden Williams and see what he can offer..Then go from there. Ain't rocket science.

Finestrg
Posts: 27296
Alba Posts: 1
Joined: 1/1/2006
Member: #1069

2/27/2011  10:16 AM    LAST EDITED: 2/27/2011  11:37 AM
misterearl wrote:
nykshaknbake wrote:
misterearl wrote:For some reason I am having a difficult time understanding the fascination for Shelden Williams. He has already had auditions for six different teams, not counting the Atlanta Hawks on two separate occasions. He has never played on a team for two consecutive seasons. When a player is bounced around that much that should be a caution signal that dude is not that good.

Just because he is new does not mean he can play.

It's doubtful he'll have a major positive effect but maybe we only get outrebounded by 10 or so instead of 20.

Shelden averages 4 rebounds for his career. You get outrebounded by 16.

You do the math.

Faulty logic beyond reason right there fella..We're looking for a role player to perform a specific task..Not a star. Why are some of you guys against trying certain things?? AR, now Shelden Williams..It just astonishes me..It's a no-brainer right now to see if Shelden can address the rebounding problem..Logic dictates that he should be step 1 in the process..The guy fell into our lap here, now see what he can do..

I don't even care that he's new to the team and hasn't had much practice time...Big deal..He's a big guy that doesn't require the ball on offense at all..Dude's always been a big defensive/rebounding presence..How would he get in the way of our offensive players? Someone explain that to me??? Look, is he a great player? No..Borderline bust actually..But he should be able to supply what we need..That's his game..Let's find out..The dude actually wasn't half bad for the Nuggets filling in for K-Mart early on this season..He had some real good games where he really contributed sprinkled in there..This guy's game is like riding a bike -- if you're a rebounder/banger/defender, I doubt you suddenly forget how to do the dirty work. If that's your role, IT'S THE SAME FOR ANY TEAM YOU PLAY FOR..Go rebound the ball..Defend the post..Simple..I fail to see how he would suddenly interfere with our star players and what they do well..Does Joel Anthony interfere with Lebron/Wade/Bosh? No, he enhances what they do..He plays post defense and grabs rebounds so these guys can go do their thing...Bottom line is you wanna see if Shelden's an instant upgrade over Ronny Turiaf...That's what our coach needs to find out right now.

nykshaknbake
Posts: 22247
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 11/15/2003
Member: #492
2/27/2011  10:20 AM
Well misterearl HE gets 4 in limited minutes. Maybe if you played him 30 he might get 8. We probably get 4 from our C position all night. SO when he's nott playing maybe we get 2. What's 5 or 6 extra rebounds? Rebounds the other team doesn't get. So you do the math.

misterearl wrote:
nykshaknbake wrote:
misterearl wrote:For some reason I am having a difficult time understanding the fascination for Shelden Williams. He has already had auditions for six different teams, not counting the Atlanta Hawks on two separate occasions. He has never played on a team for two consecutive seasons. When a player is bounced around that much that should be a caution signal that dude is not that good.

Just because he is new does not mean he can play.

It's doubtful he'll have a major positive effect but maybe we only get outrebounded by 10 or so instead of 20.

Shelden averages 4 rebounds for his career. You get outrebounded by 16.

You do the math.

misterearl
Posts: 38786
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 11/16/2004
Member: #799
USA
2/27/2011  10:33 AM

nyshakeandbake - I wish I could depend on Shelden's unimpressive stats as the only barometer of his play. Unfortunately, having watched him up close for two years in Atlanta during two different tours of duty I can report without hesitation...

... that Sheldon Williams is a below average basketball player.

No matter how you slice it, below average is not a good formula for ANY NBA matchup.

This Ain't The ACC

once a knick always a knick
Outrebounded by Clevland 62-42? - not this year folks!

©2001-2025 ultimateknicks.comm All rights reserved. About Us.
This site is not affiliated with the NY Knicks or the National Basketball Association in any way.
You may visit the official NY Knicks web site by clicking here.

All times (GMT-05:00) Eastern Time.

Terms of Use and Privacy Policy