I completely agree with you that we have to fix the rebounding issue and the only realistic way to do it would be to bring in two big men that can focus mainly on that task and on defense. But then the issue is the coach, since he may have right now a guy that could've helped last night with the rebounding in Sheldon Williams, but it seems he won't play him. So, who can help?

Jeffries won't, thats why I really hope we can convince Murphy, Barron and the best of the D-League to come here.

My suggestion for the Knicks mainly MDA is to get his head out of his azz and address this issue. Stop bullshyting with stupid lineups and get the appropriate players in the game. Play up players strengths example Sheldon Williams is suppose to be a decent rebounder should be used to get rebounds. Get Murphy here as he is one of the better rebounders not Jared freaking Jefferies who will hurt you at every opportunity can't shoot below average rebounder just not the player you want on your team. Last night it was getting out of hand with how easily Cavs were picking up rebounds over the Knicks.

fishmike wrote:

Vmart wrote:Problem with rebounding stems from the system. To many mismatches everywhere, you have sf going against pfs for rebounds. We already knew that Amare is a very weak rebounder if he has a off night rebounding then the team is screwed. Everyone is bust trying to run up the court for their 7 seconds shot forgetting to secure the ball before running up.

My suggestion for the Knicks mainly MDA is to get his head out of his azz and address this issue. Stop bullshyting with stupid lineups and get the appropriate players in the game. Play up players strengths example Sheldon Williams is suppose to be a decent rebounder should be used to get rebounds. Get Murphy here as he is one of the better rebounders not Jared freaking Jefferies who will hurt you at every opportunity can't shoot below average rebounder just not the player you want on your team. Last night it was getting out of hand with how easily Cavs were picking up rebounds over the Knicks.

ahh.. good call. Of course. When the whole roster is full of guys who have never in their career rebounded well blame the coach. Your predictable if nothing else dude

Dude your just being a sour grape because you didn't get what you want. Instead of moving on you want to reflect on the past team which by the way was sucking azz, if not for a good stretch vs some weak opponents they were playing well below .500 ball. This problem existed even when the other team was here. The Knicks are in a better place with this current team. Beside I think you can root for the knuggests no one will blame you. If anything your way more predictable than I am. You were just waiting for a poor performance from the Knicks so you could say I told you so. But last nights game is an aberration and will not be the norm, I to know that its a get to know you process the Knicks are going through.

As for blaming the coach, if your team is getting man handled on the boards make adjustment that is why he is the coach not continue to do the same again and again to get the same results. Better rebounders were needed in the game. Who controls that aspect of the game right the coach. Utilize the roster you have to it strengths.

We also lost to the Cavs with the previous roster too.

Don't over exaggerate by saying we're not making the playoffs, because time will only prove you wrong.

JrZyHuStLa wrote:Fish, if you want to say that we're "not a second round team" because our rebounding is weak, that's fine.

Don't over exaggerate by saying we're not making the playoffs, because time will only prove you wrong.

Yes... this has been a problem all year, and we are even thinner in the rebounding department than we were before the trade

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

fishmike wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:Fish, if you want to say that we're "not a second round team" because our rebounding is weak, that's fine.

Don't over exaggerate by saying we're not making the playoffs, because time will only prove you wrong.

why? Knicks have a 4 game lead over the 9th placed team. We got 58 points and 19 boards from Melo/Amare and lost by 6. I'm simply talking about winning games. The solution I am hearing from guys is Sheldon Williams and he is a VERY poor NBA player and has been on all 6 teams he's played on. Sheldon Williams isnt good at anything.

Yes... this has been a problem all year, and we are even thinner in the rebounding department than we were before the trade

We're thinner in the rebounding department. But don't you think we've strengthened our team in other ways? Is it only rebounding that gets all 16 teams into the postseason?

As for rebounding and playoffs show me any solid playoff team that gets beat on the boards every night. Rebounding is just as important as any facet of the game. you saw last night and many other nights before the trade that this can lose us games.

Amare and Melo are bigtime players but a tier below the Lebron/Wade level. If you think you can just put Amare/Melo together and give them 10-20 games and they will figure out how to play .800 basketball your kidding yourself.

I'm not on of the "I told you so" people on this board. I dont do that anywhere in life, I wont do it here. This is my team. Its got massive problems. I was in favor of building with depth. Getting 7-8 skilled athletic 2-way players. Now we traded 4 of those type of guys for one guy who can score. Billups is really good and will help get things straighted here, especially on D when JJ gets here.

fishmike wrote:I got laughed at suggesting this team could actually miss the playoffs but its realistic. Basketball is simple. You can have less talent, but if you outrebound your opponent by 20 your going to win. The only guy on our roster who rebounds anything above average is Fields and he's tyhe freakin SG

That's a little unfair. Carmelo is also a superior rebounder. Outside of those two, Balkman is also an above average rebounder. But, it's irrelevant unless we get a big man who can rebound. You can't expect smaller players to pick up the rebounding slack for the big guys. It doesn't work. We desperately need to get some bigs. I'm hoping for Barron and Murphy.

fishmike wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

fishmike wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:Fish, if you want to say that we're "not a second round team" because our rebounding is weak, that's fine.

Don't over exaggerate by saying we're not making the playoffs, because time will only prove you wrong.

why? Knicks have a 4 game lead over the 9th placed team. We got 58 points and 19 boards from Melo/Amare and lost by 6. I'm simply talking about winning games. The solution I am hearing from guys is Sheldon Williams and he is a VERY poor NBA player and has been on all 6 teams he's played on. Sheldon Williams isnt good at anything.

Yes... this has been a problem all year, and we are even thinner in the rebounding department than we were before the trade

We're thinner in the rebounding department. But don't you think we've strengthened our team in other ways? Is it only rebounding that gets all 16 teams into the postseason?

I would say the talent has been upgraded. But Zach Randolph and Marbury also did that. You need to play TEAM basketball, and our PG is a stop gap 34 year old player.

As for rebounding and playoffs show me any solid playoff team that gets beat on the boards every night. Rebounding is just as important as any facet of the game. you saw last night and many other nights before the trade that this can lose us games.

Amare and Melo are bigtime players but a tier below the Lebron/Wade level. If you think you can just put Amare/Melo together and give them 10-20 games and they will figure out how to play .800 basketball your kidding yourself.

I'm not on of the "I told you so" people on this board. I dont do that anywhere in life, I wont do it here. This is my team. Its got massive problems. I was in favor of building with depth. Getting 7-8 skilled athletic 2-way players. Now we traded 4 of those type of guys for one guy who can score. Billups is really good and will help get things straighted here, especially on D when JJ gets here.

Felton wasn't a part of the future either. He's set to expire when Chauncey is. And calling him a stop gap PG isn't really fair when you had Felton chucking up shots thinking he's Derek Rose. I can't even recall the last time we had a PG with the basketball IQ and intangibles that he has. Billups over Felton is a CLEAR upgrade.

I never once said Stat and Melo are Lebron/Wade/Kobe level tier talents. They're not. Those 3 are better defenders than our guys, sure. But one thing we have in common with the elite guys is the offensive firepower. If you're going to say rebounding is weak, you can also say our defense is as well. Melo and Stat don't put a premium on defense, I'm willing to admit that. But not a lot of guys are willing to admit D'antoni's lack of emphasis on it. This is my problem with him. Telling the media you care and actually holding a team like Cleveland to 80 points instead of 115 is night and day.

Who cares about the "I told you so"? We're all here as Knicks fans who just want to see our team do well. I have to respect posters like yourself or anyone with different views, that's what makes having discussions and debates great.

fishmike wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:We are not missing the playoffs with Amare, Carmelo, and Billups man.

in 2 games we are .500 with other teams breathing down our necks. We are back to making guys like Session and JJ Hickson look like Alonzo Mouring and Tim Hardaway.

this is not a panic thread. We have a serious problem. Before we had the depth to overcome it a bit.. do we now? Time will tell.

This is the NBA man any team can lose on any night. Cleveland played way above their level all night. Anthony Parker and Hickson throwing up straight garbage that went in.

We are CLEARLY better than Philly and Indiana. I will take Orlando or Chicago in the first round.