arkrud wrote:3 very good players playing on their own with no chemistry and scrubs around them.
But this is by design... so will see.

The problem for us is that Amare and Melo don't have the versatility and ability as players to make the adjustments that Wade and James were able to make.

Add to this the fact that they are not the defenders, ball handlers, and distributors that Wade/James are, and they never will be.

But, if we look like anything, we look like the Knicks of the last two years that played no defense and let other teams light it up from outside, and yea, we also get badly out rebounded in the process.

Of course, that might just be D'Antoni ball

BRIGGS wrote:

Paladin55 wrote:

arkrud wrote:3 very good players playing on their own with no chemistry and scrubs around them.
But this is by design... so will see.

The problem for us is that Amare and Melo don't have the versatility and ability as players to make the adjustments that Wade and James were able to make.

Add to this the fact that they are not the defenders, ball handlers, and distributors that Wade/James are, and they never will be.

Wade Jordan Pippen LBJ--they could all play de facto PG from their positions. The all played 94 feet and were diverse. Our guys are not like that. Its more of two really good scorers on the same team-but how does that-championship.

We made JJ Hickson look like Alonzo Mourning--if someone has a remedy---please tell me. Oh and we could not guard Sessions we could not guard the jamison(anthony actually looked terrible doing so) and this is a BAD team that Im talking about 26 losses in a row. We were choppy against another bad team at home on a B_B.

The thing that really concerns me about his team is that our two "Stars" need to LEARN to play defense. Now, if we had a loaded team (like if "ME"lo would have played his cards better), we'd be OK - like with Gallo and Mos still here, or Chandler for that matter.

We desperately need some depth. I have a feeling we may trade our pick (maybe a lotto) to get someone who can contribute here next year.

Childs2Dudley wrote:

Paladin55 wrote:

arkrud wrote:3 very good players playing on their own with no chemistry and scrubs around them.
But this is by design... so will see.

The problem for us is that Amare and Melo don't have the versatility and ability as players to make the adjustments that Wade and James were able to make.

Add to this the fact that they are not the defenders, ball handlers, and distributors that Wade/James are, and they never will be.

Yes.

2 iso players with little playmaking ability are now supposed to become playmakers.

It's over then. Everybody pack your bags and let's get out of here. The Knicks are done.

Knicksfan wrote:

Childs2Dudley wrote:

Paladin55 wrote:

arkrud wrote:3 very good players playing on their own with no chemistry and scrubs around them.
But this is by design... so will see.

The problem for us is that Amare and Melo don't have the versatility and ability as players to make the adjustments that Wade and James were able to make.

Add to this the fact that they are not the defenders, ball handlers, and distributors that Wade/James are, and they never will be.

Yes.

2 iso players with little playmaking ability are now supposed to become playmakers.

It's over then. Everybody pack your bags and let's get out of here. The Knicks are done.

The Knicks were done when Dolan took ownership of the team.

Childs2Dudley wrote:

Paladin55 wrote:

arkrud wrote:3 very good players playing on their own with no chemistry and scrubs around them.
But this is by design... so will see.

The problem for us is that Amare and Melo don't have the versatility and ability as players to make the adjustments that Wade and James were able to make.

Add to this the fact that they are not the defenders, ball handlers, and distributors that Wade/James are, and they never will be.

Yes.

2 iso players with little playmaking ability are now supposed to become playmakers.

Cmon little playmaking ability? Yeah they aren't point forwards but they create their own shots and do it efficiently

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/2011/02/26/2011-02-26_lebron_james_sees_similarities_in_heat_knicks_now_that_carmelo_anthony_amare_sto.html#ixzz1F5BBLS5E

MIAMI - As Friday night's 115-109 loss in Cleveland shows, despite winning in Carmelo Anthony's Knick debut on Wednesday, Mike D'Antoni's team could be headed for a slow start with its new two-star alignment.

Take it from LeBron James, who lived through a 9-8 record in his first month in Miami with co-superstar Dwyane Wade.

"I think it might be the same way," James said Friday night, before the Heat beat the Wizards, 121-113. "It's going to be a challenge for those guys. When you're used to being the No. 1 option, and you turn from being the No. 1 option to a number 1-A guy, that's what me and Dwyane had to figure out. It was downhill for us for a month."

The situation the Knicks - who face Miami Sunday night here - are going through isn't exactly the same as the Heat's, of course. Stoudemire was the Knicks' No. 1 option for only 54 games, and success was modest as Anthony came to a team with only a 28-26 record.

However, last July James walked into a team whose established franchise player was Wade, who had already led the Heat to a title, in 2006.

"It's different here," James said. "D-Wade had seven years under his belt here. He won the title. He laid the foundation. There's 'Wade County' and all that great stuff. I don't think Amar'e wouldn't open his arms and the rest of New York, too, for Carmelo. You saw the reception he (Anthony) got when he played Milwaukee. It was unbelievable. They've been waiting on that."

New York fans have been waiting an eternity for the Knicks to have two bona fide stars in the lineup. But it doesn't mean there's smooth sailing right away.

Anthony's 10-of-25 shooting performance in his debut was noted by Wade, but not because of the misses.

"He was Melo," Wade said. "Twenty-five shots? That's Melo."

It's not just that Wade expects Anthony to keep shooting, as he has done his entire career. But Stoudemire's shot attempts dropped from an average of 19 to 13 against the Bucks. It remains to be seen how Stoudemire will adjust if his totals continue to be lower than Anthony's.

Friday night, Anthony took 22 shots, making nine, en route to 27 points. Stoudemire took 27 shots, making 14, in scoring a game-high 31.

Also, the Knicks offense probably will slow down because Anthony is at his best in isolation plays, holding the ball. So the ball movement that was seen earlier this season, which helped Stoudemire, and the Knicks' ability to find him in transition when he beat his man down the floor, may be things of the past.

"The only thing I can tell them is what happened here with me and D-Wade," said James, who scored 25 points alongside Wade's 41 in Miami's win Friday night, moving the Heat (43-16) closer to the No. 1 spot in the Eastern Conference. "Finally, we were like, 'OK, let's just do what we do and do what's going to help our team.' Once we figured that out, we started to play better basketball, individually. Because when we started, Dwyane had career lows in shooting and a bunch of his stats. So it's going to take games and it's going to take practice. We needed film sessions to understand how we can not only help ourselves, but also the team."

The difference is that Wade and James do other things besides score, even if they're wing players who like to dominate the ball. "Playing games helps, and when you go through situations, that helps," James said. "But there's not much practice time for any team, at this point. We've got 25 games left..."

James sees the Knicks as locks to make the playoffs now. The question becomes, what can the Knicks do in the postseason riding two offensive-minded stars, especially if they don't improve much defensively?

"Anytime you've got two explosive scorers, either one can take over a game at any given time," James said. "All it takes is one explosion in a playoff game for a team to go up 1-0, or for the series to break open. They're definitely a dangerous team."

But first, they're what you'd call a work-in-progress.

it took that team until the final week of the season before they looked like they were rolling.

it takes time to mesh the games of stars who play differently. they can figure it out, but it's not going to be automatic that you put Melo/Billups/Amare on the floor they'll win. it's going to look like a lot of isolation play until they start knowing the same plays.

and, damn the hates, jeffries will help - he seals lanes on defense and boxes out (albeit not a great rebounder, but he does box out, dammit, which makes it easier for his teammates to rebound - he's a team player).

BRIGGS wrote:

Paladin55 wrote:

arkrud wrote:3 very good players playing on their own with no chemistry and scrubs around them.
But this is by design... so will see.

The problem for us is that Amare and Melo don't have the versatility and ability as players to make the adjustments that Wade and James were able to make.

Add to this the fact that they are not the defenders, ball handlers, and distributors that Wade/James are, and they never will be.

Wade Jordan Pippen LBJ--they could all play de facto PG from their positions. The all played 94 feet and were diverse. Our guys are not like that. Its more of two really good scorers on the same team-but how does that-championship.

We made JJ Hickson look like Alonzo Mourning--if someone has a remedy---please tell me. Oh and we could not guard Sessions we could not guard the jamison(anthony actually looked terrible doing so) and this is a BAD team that Im talking about 26 losses in a row. We were choppy against another bad team at home on a B_B.

Jamison took Melo down low to the hole twice in the 4th like Melo was his little bit brother. Gallo would have flopped, at least one of the times, if he had been guarding Jamison, and at least gotten his hands up to contest the shot. Almost reminded me of the way Tim Thomas took Randolph down low and dunked over him his rookie year.

I have to admit that Melo playing tough D (even fouling him or taking the charge) in that kind of situation and not being driven under the basket would have made me feel better about him last night.