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AnubisADL
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2/25/2011  3:36 PM
I want to know what others here think. I personally believe we can get to the Finals this year.

The one problem is D'Antoni's refusal to emphasize defense. We have some versatile defenders in Jefferies and Brewer which can help in the playoffs.

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2/25/2011  3:38 PM
no.

not this year.

very tough 1st round matchup with a good shot at a 2nd round exit.

if we get lucky with matchups then a slim chance of getting to the ecf.

and i am still flabbergasted that there are still some of us who think mda refuses to emphasize d.

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2/25/2011  3:41 PM
i'm aiming for a playoff series win.... and that only happens if melo and/or amar'e get scorching hot....

Finals appearance having to go through probably 3 out of the 4 of Miami, Boston, Chicago, Orlando is just not realistic....

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2/25/2011  3:41 PM
AnubisADL wrote:I want to know what others here think. I personally believe we can get to the Finals this year.

The one problem is D'Antoni's refusal to emphasize defense. We have some versatile defenders in Jefferies and Brewer which can help in the playoffs.

I don't paint MDA as "refusing" to emphasise defense. I think he very well understands the importance of it.

But its about point differential. If you score more you win.

I don't think we are deep enough to go deep nor do we have the size.

We lead the league in Block shots thru the trade. Blocks are a form of defense. OUr rebounding was improving. Mozzy made a difference.

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2/25/2011  3:41 PM
I think we can. We have a punchers chance. We need to shore up center spot for some rebounding and defense. Amare is just horrible at rebounding. Well not horrible but he is not commited to it.
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2/25/2011  3:44 PM
You know, this notion that Mike doesn't care about defense is just pure malarky. He does care and he's said that over and over again. He's made efforts to try and get the team to focus on D and he clearly has played guys who can't score just for the purpose of getting more defense. He started Timo for his defense. He played Jared for his D and Turiaf surely plays only for his D.

I believe that we're contenders mainly cuz we should now be close enough to actually be competitive with the better teams in the East. Anything can happen in a playoff series. We have the kind of dangerous players that can go off at any time so there's always a chance we can steal a game. The addition of Billups and Melo allows us to be stronger in a halfcourt game as well. We've got more than a punchers chance.

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2/25/2011  3:48 PM
i think, depending on matchups, they could advance pretty far in the playoffs. it's matchup dependent in my view.

if we had been able to steal Camby at the deadline, I think we could have won it all. just add a center like that for next season and we will be in good shape.

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2/25/2011  3:53 PM
We aren't contenders on paper, but get me two of the centers that will be available after being waived and I'll go to war with that team. Once the playoffs start, you never know what will happen.
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2/25/2011  3:57 PM
Knicksfan wrote:We aren't contenders on paper, but get me two of the centers that will be available after being waived and I'll go to war with that team. Once the playoffs start, you never know what will happen.

I think so. We are heavy in the forwars and we have an adequate backup point now with Anthony Carter(hopefully he gets acclimaited soon). We really just need a center or two. Now we know why Donnie was hell bent on holding onto Timo.

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2/25/2011  4:09 PM
I think we're a top 10 team, but in that 6-10 range. I can't we're contenders yet because Boston, Miami and probably Chicago are better and Orlando and Atlanta are just as good or better. And that's just withing the conference. I do think next year the team will become a legitimate contender though with added depth and experience
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2/25/2011  4:10 PM
If we can get in synch by end of season with the new team anything can happen in the playoffs.
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2/25/2011  4:13 PM
Dantoni cares about defense but sucks at teaching it..his defensive philosphy is terrible.
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2/25/2011  4:14 PM
FoeDiddy wrote:Dantoni cares about defense but sucks at teaching it..his defensive philosphy is terrible.

really, why?

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2/25/2011  4:18 PM
martin wrote:
FoeDiddy wrote:Dantoni cares about defense but sucks at teaching it..his defensive philosphy is terrible.

really, why?

Watching all season..the funneling Point Guards & Wing players to the rim has to come from coaching..I saw Toney Douglas & Fields funnel guards to the baseline repeatedly against the Bucks and it never worked. Billups had to pull Douglas aside and tell him stop with that nonsense and play your man straight up. Why could Billups point that out after one game and D'Antoni not make the adjustment all season. I bet everything that every teams scouting report is "Knicks Guards concede the drive to guards so drive hard and rotate ball and you will find an open shot"

It's okay to play strong on a guards hand if a pick is coming but our perimeter players do it even with no pick which concedes a lane to rim every time and has team scrambling.

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2/25/2011  4:26 PM
FoeDiddy wrote:
martin wrote:
FoeDiddy wrote:Dantoni cares about defense but sucks at teaching it..his defensive philosphy is terrible.

really, why?



Watching all season..the funneling Point Guards & Wing players to the rim has to come from coaching
..I saw Toney Douglas & Fields funnel guards to the baseline repeatedly against the Bucks and it never worked. Billups had to pull Douglas aside and tell him stop with that nonsense and play your man straight up. Why could Billups point that out after one game and D'Antoni not make the adjustment all season. I bet everything that every teams scouting report is "Knicks Guards concede the drive to guards so drive hard and rotate ball and you will find an open shot"

It's okay to play strong on a guards hand if a pick is coming but our perimeter players do it even with no pick which concedes a lane to rim every time and has team scrambling.

The Knicks' strategy for the whole season has been for opposing players to be funneled to the baseline, so I don't know what you are watching.

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2/25/2011  4:39 PM
AnubisADL wrote:I want to know what others here think. I personally believe we can get to the Finals this year.

The one problem is D'Antoni's refusal to emphasize defense. We have some versatile defenders in Jefferies and Brewer which can help in the playoffs.


I'm sorry but this old and stupid at this point.

I guess thats why he cant wait to get JJ back? Because of the great scoring? Do you watch the games? Listen to MDA at all? Ever? All he talks about is getting this team to defend better.

Obviously JJ was forced down MDA's throat (twice now) because why would MDA want a guy who only defends? Kinda like how Williams beat out Walker (defense). Kinda like how when he was a GM for the Sun for 2 months he added 2 guys (Kurt Thomas and Marcus banks for DEFENSE). Kinda like Raja Bell was a first team NBA all defensive team under him and no other coach (DEFENSE).

MDA has had offensive players, which is why he's had offensive teams. Shoud he have asked guys like Amare, Nash, Joe Johnson, Richardson, Marion and Raja to slow it down, stop scoring at an NBA record pace and focus on defense? Its called playing to your team's strengths. Melo hasnt played defense for 7 years. I guess if he doesnt here its because of MDA right?

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2/25/2011  4:42 PM
fishmike wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:I want to know what others here think. I personally believe we can get to the Finals this year.

The one problem is D'Antoni's refusal to emphasize defense. We have some versatile defenders in Jefferies and Brewer which can help in the playoffs.


I'm sorry but this old and stupid at this point.

I guess thats why he cant wait to get JJ back? Because of the great scoring? Do you watch the games? Listen to MDA at all? Ever? All he talks about is getting this team to defend better.

Obviously JJ was forced down MDA's throat (twice now) because why would MDA want a guy who only defends? Kinda like how Williams beat out Walker (defense). Kinda like how when he was a GM for the Sun for 2 months he added 2 guys (Kurt Thomas and Marcus banks for DEFENSE). Kinda like Raja Bell was a first team NBA all defensive team under him and no other coach (DEFENSE).

MDA has had offensive players, which is why he's had offensive teams. Shoud he have asked guys like Amare, Nash, Joe Johnson, Richardson, Marion and Raja to slow it down, stop scoring at an NBA record pace and focus on defense? Its called playing to your team's strengths. Melo hasnt played defense for 7 years. I guess if he doesnt here its because of MDA right?

Talking about something and doing it are too different things.

D'Antoni had Jared Jefferies shooting 3's. That is all I needed to see.

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2/25/2011  4:48 PM
We're pretenders until we're battle tested. As in this 2010-2011 TEAM is tested

Heck even OKC/Bulls/Hawks/Blazers are were pretenders. We are not a feared team yet and we haven't won a playoff series. What we have going for us is a coaching staff and players who have been tested and possess tons of playoff experience.

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2/25/2011  4:51 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/25/2011  4:57 PM
When I saw the thread I figured it was about making the playoffs.

Can't believe that anyone thinks that the Knicks are a finals-quality team as it is presently constituted.

Sorry, but some folks are living in a world that my reason just won't allow me to enter. Takes more than a leap of faith to believe we can reach the finals with this group.

No depth

No length

limited outside shooting

players who are defensively challenged

an offense heading toward an isolation based 1/1 system

Hope I am wrong, but I doubt it.

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2/25/2011  4:53 PM
martin wrote:
FoeDiddy wrote:
martin wrote:
FoeDiddy wrote:Dantoni cares about defense but sucks at teaching it..his defensive philosphy is terrible.

really, why?



Watching all season..the funneling Point Guards & Wing players to the rim has to come from coaching
..I saw Toney Douglas & Fields funnel guards to the baseline repeatedly against the Bucks and it never worked. Billups had to pull Douglas aside and tell him stop with that nonsense and play your man straight up. Why could Billups point that out after one game and D'Antoni not make the adjustment all season. I bet everything that every teams scouting report is "Knicks Guards concede the drive to guards so drive hard and rotate ball and you will find an open shot"

It's okay to play strong on a guards hand if a pick is coming but our perimeter players do it even with no pick which concedes a lane to rim every time and has team scrambling.

The Knicks' strategy for the whole season has been for opposing players to be funneled to the baseline, so I don't know what you are watching.


A friend of mine whose knowledge of the game I respect told me that JVG used a similar strategy. Anyone know if this is true?

Just wondering.

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