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Many players will be available soon as many will be bought out. Some of the candidates will be Murphy, Jeffries, Ford, Pryzbilla, etc. We know there are other options like Barron and players from the D-League, but who to get?

And more importantly, who to cut from the 15 players we have?

A few options here:

Go 3 big: Sign Murphy, Jeffries and Barron/Pryzbilla. Cut Mason, Sheldon Williams and Bill Walker.
Go 3 with balance: Sign Murphy, Ford and Jeffries/Barron. Cut Mason, Carter and Sheldon Williams.
Go 2 big: Sign Murphy and Jeffries/Barron
Go 2 balance: Sign Murphy and Ford. Cut Mason and Carter.
Lower expectations: Sign Jeffries and Barron. Cut Mason and Sheldon Williams.
Go D-League: Sign Barron and best C in minors. Cut Mason and Sheldon Williams.
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2/25/2011  7:52 AM
Obviously there are a few more combinations, both to sign and to cut. Why focus on these ones?

Well, it depends on who is interested in NY. Murphy hasn't been rumored to want to come here, but we haven't really read much about him after being bought out. We'll see today, but it seems like a good match. Ford has been rumored to Portland, but we'll see today. Pryzbilla may be the wild card as he could or couldn't be bought out. If he is, he should be sought after.

We know Jeffries and Barron are real options for us.

Now, why not cutting Balkman? Because he has two more years in his contract after this one. Its way better to keep him and seek a deal for anything in the offseason. Better not just cut him and still have his contract in the cap.

Why not Carter? Carter shouldn't be cut unless you are getting a viable backup PG (Ford) in return.

Shelden Williams could help our team with rebounding, but is a liability on offense. I doubt Mike D uses him, so if you are bringing Jeffries along with one or two others, it would make sense to cut him. Jeffries would bring height, defense and versatility. We would lose rebounding but, would it count if it never is used on court?

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2/25/2011  8:06 AM
I would love to see Przybilla here not Barron. I would also not mind Ford but I really liked what TD brought the other night. He was like Vinnie "The Microwave" Johnson.

For me, cut Mason and get Przybilla if he is available.

Also Kapono might makes some sense for some outside shooting. He had a good year in Miami just a few seasons ago.

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2/25/2011  8:19 AM
GoNyGoNyGo wrote:I would love to see Przybilla here not Barron. I would also not mind Ford but I really liked what TD brought the other night. He was like Vinnie "The Microwave" Johnson.

For me, cut Mason and get Przybilla if he is available.

Also Kapono might makes some sense for some outside shooting. He had a good year in Miami just a few seasons ago.


I agree. Przybilla tops the list.
Keep Sheldon Williams.....he is a big PF who can fill in at C and rebounds well.
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2/25/2011  8:21 AM
Markji wrote:
GoNyGoNyGo wrote:I would love to see Przybilla here not Barron. I would also not mind Ford but I really liked what TD brought the other night. He was like Vinnie "The Microwave" Johnson.

For me, cut Mason and get Przybilla if he is available.

Also Kapono might makes some sense for some outside shooting. He had a good year in Miami just a few seasons ago.


I agree. Przybilla tops the list.
Keep Sheldon Williams.....he is a big PF who can fill in at C and rebounds well.

I would agree on Sheldon if he was 6'10 or 6'11, but he is closer to 6'8"

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2/25/2011  8:31 AM
Knicksfan wrote:
Markji wrote:
GoNyGoNyGo wrote:I would love to see Przybilla here not Barron. I would also not mind Ford but I really liked what TD brought the other night. He was like Vinnie "The Microwave" Johnson.

For me, cut Mason and get Przybilla if he is available.

Also Kapono might makes some sense for some outside shooting. He had a good year in Miami just a few seasons ago.


I agree. Przybilla tops the list.
Keep Sheldon Williams.....he is a big PF who can fill in at C and rebounds well.

I would agree on Sheldon if he was 6'10 or 6'11, but he is closer to 6'8"


Right now we have Shawne Williams as our only back-up PF, but he is more of a SF, and Amare starts at PF. But the reality is that Amare will be playing a lot of Center. We need more back-up at PF.

Shawne Williams is 6'9" 225lbs. He has really developed well this year . But we need more size up front.
Sheldon Williams is 6'9" 250lbs. For Denver he played 17 min ; 5.3 rebs; 4.7ppg. 74%FT% He is a good back up. We still need another real center though. I vote for Przybilla.

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2/25/2011  8:50 AM
I wouldn't cut Balkman and his guaranteed dollars over several years. It seems idiotic to cut Balkman, who is a fast defender with no jumper and then sign Jeffries, a fast defender with no jumper.

I would cut Mason. He's something like 1-14 on the season.

Kills me to cut a 'Cuse guy, but they should probably "suggest" that he goes to play Euro ball for a while too.

Sounds like Jeffries is a done deal, although I don't see much value there.

Murphy, Pryz, Powe, Barron, Sims... I'm sure any of these guys can help for spot minutes.

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2/25/2011  9:02 AM
Markji wrote:
Knicksfan wrote:
Markji wrote:
GoNyGoNyGo wrote:I would love to see Przybilla here not Barron. I would also not mind Ford but I really liked what TD brought the other night. He was like Vinnie "The Microwave" Johnson.

For me, cut Mason and get Przybilla if he is available.

Also Kapono might makes some sense for some outside shooting. He had a good year in Miami just a few seasons ago.


I agree. Przybilla tops the list.
Keep Sheldon Williams.....he is a big PF who can fill in at C and rebounds well.

I would agree on Sheldon if he was 6'10 or 6'11, but he is closer to 6'8"


Right now we have Shawne Williams as our only back-up PF, but he is more of a SF, and Amare starts at PF. But the reality is that Amare will be playing a lot of Center. We need more back-up at PF.

Shawne Williams is 6'9" 225lbs. He has really developed well this year . But we need more size up front.
Sheldon Williams is 6'9" 250lbs. For Denver he played 17 min ; 5.3 rebs; 4.7ppg. 74%FT% He is a good back up. We still need another real center though. I vote for Przybilla.

I don't want Amare to play at C, and for that to happen we need to get at least two people that can play there. Murphy would probably start at C for us and Mike D would love his 3pt shot. Barron would be another guy who would probably give us a few good minutes there. Even Jeffries would help both PF and C backup duties.

If you can get two of them, who would you waive? Mason is a given, but who else? Carter is our only real backup PG right now, so he can't be cut. Rautins is Mike D's project, so he wont. Balkman has several years left on his contract, so we shouldn't cut him. Brwewr seems to have value so we could get something useful for him after the season and he could prove a solid tall backup SG, That leaves Bill Walker and Shwane Williams as candidates. If we are signing only two bigs, Im ok with cutting Walker if Azibuike can come back.

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2/25/2011  9:11 AM
What's wrong with Amare playing C? We won all those games with him playing C.
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2/25/2011  9:20 AM
JohnWallace44 wrote:What's wrong with Amare playing C? We won all those games with him playing C.

There are benefits to him playing C in certain situations/match-ups, but I don't think they want him going against certain bigs and getting fouls or getting out of their way to prevent fouls.

And to be honest, he came to the team under the assumption that he was going to be a PF- why piss him off by playing him at the 5 if it is something he does not want to do?

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2/25/2011  9:41 AM
Knicksfan wrote:
Markji wrote:
Knicksfan wrote:
Markji wrote:
GoNyGoNyGo wrote:I would love to see Przybilla here not Barron. I would also not mind Ford but I really liked what TD brought the other night. He was like Vinnie "The Microwave" Johnson.

For me, cut Mason and get Przybilla if he is available.

Also Kapono might makes some sense for some outside shooting. He had a good year in Miami just a few seasons ago.


I agree. Przybilla tops the list.
Keep Sheldon Williams.....he is a big PF who can fill in at C and rebounds well.

I would agree on Sheldon if he was 6'10 or 6'11, but he is closer to 6'8"


Right now we have Shawne Williams as our only back-up PF, but he is more of a SF, and Amare starts at PF. But the reality is that Amare will be playing a lot of Center. We need more back-up at PF.

Shawne Williams is 6'9" 225lbs. He has really developed well this year . But we need more size up front.
Sheldon Williams is 6'9" 250lbs. For Denver he played 17 min ; 5.3 rebs; 4.7ppg. 74%FT% He is a good back up. We still need another real center though. I vote for Przybilla.

I don't want Amare to play at C, and for that to happen we need to get at least two people that can play there. Murphy would probably start at C for us and Mike D would love his 3pt shot. Barron would be another guy who would probably give us a few good minutes there. Even Jeffries would help both PF and C backup duties.

If you can get two of them, who would you waive? Mason is a given, but who else? Carter is our only real backup PG right now, so he can't be cut. Rautins is Mike D's project, so he wont. Balkman has several years left on his contract, so we shouldn't cut him. Brwewr seems to have value so we could get something useful for him after the season and he could prove a solid tall backup SG, That leaves Bill Walker and Shwane Williams as candidates. If we are signing only two bigs, Im ok with cutting Walker if Azibuike can come back.


If u don't want Amare to play C then we need someone who can play center, rebound and not clog up the middle for Amare and Melo.
We need a bigger body to play next to Amare to bang with the bigger bruising centers/PF. Sheldon Williams can do that. Przyb can do that. Murphy is having a terrible year...can't even shoot FT. But he is reportedly going to Boston or Orlando? so I don't consider him.

I don't want Jeffries. If we sign only 1 new player I would go for Przyb first; then Earl Barron. Cut Mason or Azu, depending on how healed Azu is. Balkman also is not going to play for us. MDA and Walsh don't want him. Not sure what to do with him though?

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2/25/2011  9:55 AM
I understand you can't teach size and the Knicks are lacking in it right now, but you also can't discount performance. I don't know the reason why but Przybilla was doing NOTHING in Portland.
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2/25/2011  10:08 AM
JohnWallace44 wrote:What's wrong with Amare playing C? We won all those games with him playing C.

We want him to be healthy throughout his contract with us, and he is better suited as a power forward, which he really is. The beating he takes as a C will not help him be healthy. Better get two or three people that can bring solid contribution at C than risking Amar'e.

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2/25/2011  10:38 AM
Murphy should be the target not Jefferies. Murphy is just to ideal in the MDA system. I think MDA can have him playing like Lee.
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2/25/2011  11:03 AM
I really dont see Przybilla getting cut. He is now on the Bobcats and they are still in a hunt, unless they go on tanking mode now. Sounds like Jeffries is back already, out of the list I like Murphy, Sean Williams, Earl Barron, PEJ, Kapono, and Ford.

Only people I would cut are Mason, Carter, Sheldan Williams. For PG i would like to see more Tony Douglous and Melo playing a Point Forward role. I loved the ball movement I saw from Denver yesterday. I think he needs to stop the "isolation mentality" for spurts of the game. The defenders are always expecting Melo to force a shot once he touches the ball, we need our team to move the ball more and make the defense guess when he is going to score and be willing to pass. I think Melo can play PF at times with Dantoni ball. He can bring up the ball and make the PF guard him. However, if Melo does this, we need a Center that can produce, not like Jeffries. I think it can work for just small parts of the game, having 3 shooters to spread the floor as well.

Douglous
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Williams/walker
Melo
Barron/Sean Williams/Murphy assuming Amare is getting rest.

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2/25/2011  11:10 AM
I would take a long look at Leon Powe. Sounds like he wants Boston, but if they go for Troy Murphy, Knicks should take a long look at Powe. He's not as tall as some other guys, but he's a true banger.

David Aldridge: Why I think Leon. Powe reunion in Boston is strong possibility: no one is bigger fan than Doc Rivers. Twitter

David Aldridge: But Powe will look at Knicks, Magic as well. Twitter

If Boston signs Powe, hopefully Knicks can grab Troy Murphy.

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2/25/2011  11:13 AM
Powe or Murphy is fine by me.
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2/25/2011  11:21 AM
Anyone seen Powe play this year? Does he have anything left.

I tend to think Murphy is going to the Celts.

Jeffries, despite his many flaws, has size and can play some D, but more importantly with a season winding down, he needs little prep time to step in and do his thing.

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2/25/2011  11:25 AM
Why do you keep putting Shelden Williams as a cut? He is a big body that can rebound. I'd rather keep him over Balkman, Azbubuike and others.
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2/25/2011  3:03 PM
Childs2Dudley wrote:Why do you keep putting Shelden Williams as a cut? He is a big body that can rebound. I'd rather keep him over Balkman, Azbubuike and others.

Yeah I'm leaning towards keeping him for depth for sure

But Azu is getting close and his contract is 80% paid and expires next year. I see value here

I say Balkman and Mason are the 2 cuts we must make!

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2/25/2011  3:22 PM
i'd cut mason and rautins or if you really believe he has a shot to stick in this league... anthony carter...
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