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subzero0
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2/22/2011  4:21 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/22/2011  4:27 PM
My worse fears have been realized. The Knicks, in all their stupidity, decided that even though they had leverage in this trade they were going to trade everybody anyway. Why the Knicks would want to do this, no one knows. Maybe they were scared by the Nets, but no that cant be because the owner went on national tv and said they were not going to pursue him because, "the price was too high". Fitting words. Maybe the Knicks had to include them to make it work financially, but no they could have made it work with other players. Including Gallinari, was the clincher for me in this deal. I would have liked this deal if it didnt include Gallinari because if he had blossomed into a championship level player here we would have had a chance at winning a championship with Amare and Carmelo.

The reason why it was important to keep Gallinari is because it takes three championship level players to get a championship in this day and age. From 1990 up to now, every team that has won a championship has started with a championship level draft pick and then added to that player with free agents (with the exception of 1 team). The reason this works is because if you go to free agency first you will not have the cap space to sign three championship level players. If you plan to sign one or two championship level players and then get the next championship level player in the draft, you have to hope that the one or two free agent championship level player you signed does not make your team good enough such that the pick you have depreciates in value. There is only 1 way out of that trap, a traded pick from a bad team.

I am hearing reports that we are getting a pick from Minnesota. If these reports are true then that will be the only chance the Knicks have to get a championship within the next 10 years. But it will be tough. This plan will hinder on multiple criteria. First, the timberwolves have to perform so badly that we get a pick that is probable to give us the chance of a championship level player in the draft. Second, we have to hope the right player with the right position is available at the position that is not one that we have already allocated to one of our championship level players. Then we have to make the right pick. Lastly, we have to hope that he reaches his potential in time for us to make a run at the championships. We are assuming here that we are not hit with any key injuries.

Let's be honest, there arent any championship level players that are going to sign for the vet's minimum. If we would have started with the draft and got a championship level draft pick and then added free agents to our team we would have put ourselves in a good position not only to win a championship but become a dynasty. But because of the horrible moves that the Knicks continue to make we can only now hope for going to the 2nd or 3rd round and then go on vacation. With Gallinari came hope, hope that he would become a championship level player. Adding Carmelo to Gallinari and Amare would have given us a good chance at a championship. But that didnt happen. Now, the Knicks have a chance at a championship if they do in fact have that pick from the timberwolves. I hope management does a better job in making judgement calls then they have been before.

People, I think this is really the only realistic way forward. I dont care about being good enough for round 2, or 3 of the playoffs. I want a championship. I strongly believe that if we are not shooting for a championship then whatever we do doesnt matter.

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Knickoftime
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2/22/2011  4:34 PM
You just spent 661 words saying something that could have been said in 9...

"Knicks could have acquired Anthony without giving up Gallinari."

My response can be expressed in 7 words.

How are you certain they could have?

subzero0
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2/22/2011  4:38 PM
Knickoftime wrote:You just spent 661 words saying something that could have been said in 9...

"Knicks could have acquired Anthony without giving up Gallinari."

My response can be expressed in 7 words.

How are you certain they could have?

...

Um you kinda missed the point of what I wrote, I think you should re-read my post.

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2/22/2011  4:50 PM
subzero0 wrote:Um you kinda missed the point of what I wrote, I think you should re-read my post.

It's 4:49pm EST.

Do you REALLY not know there is no draft pick from Minnesota?

Paladin55
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2/22/2011  4:53 PM
Knickoftime wrote:You just spent 661 words saying something that could have been said in 9...

"Knicks could have acquired Anthony without giving up Gallinari."

My response can be expressed in 7 words.

How are you certain they could have?


And you took the time to open up Word, so you could cut, paste, and count the words in his post, when...


...you might have held back the insult, not disrespected the OP, not wasted your 38 word post, and asked your 7 word question- No?

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BasketballJones
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2/22/2011  4:53 PM
Yeah, I'm not gonna waste a post on this.
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BasketballJones
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2/22/2011  4:54 PM
BasketballJones wrote:Yeah, I'm not gonna waste a post on this.

Oops.

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2/22/2011  5:00 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/22/2011  5:00 PM
Paladin55 wrote:
Knickoftime wrote:You just spent 661 words saying something that could have been said in 9...

"Knicks could have acquired Anthony without giving up Gallinari."

My response can be expressed in 7 words.

How are you certain they could have?


And you took the time to open up Word, so you could cut, paste, and count the words in his post, when...


...you might have held back the insult, not disrespected the OP, not wasted your 38 word post, and asked your 7 word question- No?

Actually, you can go here http://www.javascriptkit.com/script/script2/countwords.shtml and paste the text.

And it's really 657 words, your 661 count was off, which makes me think Knickoftime actually sat there and counted every word himself, which is an even bigger waste of time.

WE AIN'T NOWHERE WITH THIS BUM CHOKER IN CARMELO. GIVE ME STARKS'S 2-21 ANY DAY OVER THIS LACKLUSTER CLUSTEREFF.
BasketballJones
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2/22/2011  5:03 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/22/2011  5:05 PM
http://www.freejavascript.org/scripts/wordcount.shtml shows it as 662 words.
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Paladin55
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2/22/2011  5:05 PM
BasketballJones wrote:www.freejavascript.org/scripts/wordcount.shtml shows it as 662 words.

I put it into Word and got 661.

My feeling is that Isiah is somehow f'n things up here.

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orangeblobman
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2/22/2011  5:07 PM
I stand by the 657 figure, you're all starphucking.
WE AIN'T NOWHERE WITH THIS BUM CHOKER IN CARMELO. GIVE ME STARKS'S 2-21 ANY DAY OVER THIS LACKLUSTER CLUSTEREFF.
BasketballJones
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2/22/2011  5:07 PM
Paladin55 wrote:
BasketballJones wrote:www.freejavascript.org/scripts/wordcount.shtml shows it as 662 words.

I put it into Word and got 661.

My feeling is that Isiah is somehow f'n things up here.

My link is more accurate than word.

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nychamp
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2/22/2011  5:10 PM
Thread sucks.
Knickoftime
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2/22/2011  5:10 PM
Paladin55 wrote:And you took the time to open up Word, so you could cut, paste, and count the words in his post, when...

Yes. Took 10 seconds.

...you might have held back the insult, not disrespected the OP, not wasted your 38 word post, and asked your 7 word question- No?

"My worse fears have been realized. The Knicks, in all their stupidity, decided that even though they had leverage in this trade they were going to trade everybody anyway."

He just called anyone who endorses the trade stupid.

Didn't he?

orangeblobman
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2/22/2011  5:19 PM
Knickoftime wrote:
Paladin55 wrote:And you took the time to open up Word, so you could cut, paste, and count the words in his post, when...

Yes. Took 10 seconds.

...you might have held back the insult, not disrespected the OP, not wasted your 38 word post, and asked your 7 word question- No?

"My worse fears have been realized. The Knicks, in all their stupidity, decided that even though they had leverage in this trade they were going to trade everybody anyway."

He just called anyone who endorses the trade stupid.

Didn't he?

Yo why you be antagonizing and ish?

WE AIN'T NOWHERE WITH THIS BUM CHOKER IN CARMELO. GIVE ME STARKS'S 2-21 ANY DAY OVER THIS LACKLUSTER CLUSTEREFF.
BasketballJones
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2/22/2011  5:19 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/22/2011  5:20 PM
I'm really into this word counting thing. Fist of Oakley's "i don't get it" thread is 998 words.
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2/22/2011  5:24 PM
BasketballJones wrote:I'm really into this word counting thing. Fist of Oakley's "i don't get it" thread is 998 words.

Perhaps instead of # of "Posts" we can have # of "words" and more accurately assess the posting quantity of people on this forum.
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Paladin55
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2/22/2011  5:25 PM
Knickoftime wrote:
Paladin55 wrote:And you took the time to open up Word, so you could cut, paste, and count the words in his post, when...

Yes. Took 10 seconds.

...you might have held back the insult, not disrespected the OP, not wasted your 38 word post, and asked your 7 word question- No?

"My worse fears have been realized. The Knicks, in all their stupidity, decided that even though they had leverage in this trade they were going to trade everybody anyway."

He just called anyone who endorses the trade stupid.

Didn't he?

Are you taking that personally? Are you an employee of the NY Knicks? I did not get the feeling that he was pissed off with anyone but the Knicks.

The fact is that Dolan did something to Donnie- messed up his cane, or whatever- so he could sit at the table across from Denver, and while at the table he blinked first. There is a chance that the trade, as it now stands, did not have to go down the way it did. We don't know this for sure, but our people did not have the guts to stick it out to the end and see if Denver folded, despite the fact that we seemed to be in a superior bargaining position.

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2/22/2011  5:29 PM
The plan was to clear cap space, sign 2 max players with that space and continue to build a contender. They had to alter the play slightly because they felt very strongly that they would NOT be able to sign Melo in FA. They felt he would sign the extension rather than risk losing millions. So they had to give up assets. In the end they felt it was worth it cuz the hardest part of building a team is acquiring 2 elite players. They feel that they will be able to eventually get the role players they need to form a contender. It's that simple. They had to change the plan rather than risk missing out on the most important part of the plan. Getting 2 elite players.
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2/22/2011  5:33 PM
Markji wrote:
BasketballJones wrote:I'm really into this word counting thing. Fist of Oakley's "i don't get it" thread is 998 words.

Perhaps instead of # of "Posts" we can have # of "words" and more accurately assess the posting quantity of people on this forum.

Great idea. Bip: Get on it!

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