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playa2
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2/1/2004  1:06 PM
By Greg Logan
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February 1, 2004


As great as the Knicks' trade for Stephon Marbury was from the standpoint of public relations and immediate impact, it has to rank among the most lopsided deals in NBA history in terms of the financial obligation the Knicks took on and what they gave up in the way of young players and draft picks.

Phoenix got out from under an extra $100 million in long-term debt, avoided another $5 million in luxury tax this season, pocketed $3 million in cash from the Knicks, gained the rights to young Europeans Maciej Lampe and Milos Vujanic, and picked off the Knicks' first-round draft choice this season and a conditional future first-round pick.











As one Eastern Conference general manager recently said of the deal crafted by new Knicks president Isiah Thomas, "They gave up too much. Phoenix saved a lot of money. The Knicks didn't have to give up the draft pick or so many young players, too."

Swapping the contracts of Marbury and Antonio McDyess was a great exchange for the Knicks because McDyess is on the injured list trying to strengthen his left leg after three operations in two seasons. But Lampe is on the Suns' active roster, and he predicted last night the deal will backfire when he and Vujanic blossom.

"I think it will," Lampe said. "It's just a matter of time."

SOME GIVE ZEKE WAYYYYY TOO MUCH CREDIT

[Edited by - gogetit on 02/01/2004 13:13:37]

[Edited by - gogetit on 02/01/2004 13:16:32]
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2/1/2004  1:29 PM
Posted by gogetit:

By Greg Logan
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February 1, 2004


As great as the Knicks' trade for Stephon Marbury was from the standpoint of public relations and immediate impact, it has to rank among the most lopsided deals in NBA history in terms of the financial obligation the Knicks took on and what they gave up in the way of young players and draft picks.

Phoenix got out from under an extra $100 million in long-term debt, avoided another $5 million in luxury tax this season, pocketed $3 million in cash from the Knicks, gained the rights to young Europeans Maciej Lampe and Milos Vujanic, and picked off the Knicks' first-round draft choice this season and a conditional future first-round pick.











As one Eastern Conference general manager recently said of the deal crafted by new Knicks president Isiah Thomas, "They gave up too much. Phoenix saved a lot of money. The Knicks didn't have to give up the draft pick or so many young players, too."

Swapping the contracts of Marbury and Antonio McDyess was a great exchange for the Knicks because McDyess is on the injured list trying to strengthen his left leg after three operations in two seasons. But Lampe is on the Suns' active roster, and he predicted last night the deal will backfire when he and Vujanic blossom.

"I think it will," Lampe said. "It's just a matter of time."

SOME GIVE ZEKE WAYYYYY TOO MUCH CREDIT

[Edited by - gogetit on 02/01/2004 13:13:37]

[Edited by - gogetit on 02/01/2004 13:16:32]
Right! Some of this was a part of why some people didn't like the trade. But what can you do? This is New York! People are excited about seeing their guy(stephon) perform for their favorite team, thus the trade.
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2/1/2004  2:26 PM
i think the only way that this deal kills us is if lampe, milos and the draft picks turn out to be allstars and i don't mean once i mean the all star 3 or more times. otherwise there is no telling what could happen to those guys and the pick suppose a knee injury and they never pan out, or the pick is a bust. at least we have a top pg right now that we know for sure is worth his paycheck. all i am saying is a least we know we have a good player and are not hoping that one might develop n future years.
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2/1/2004  2:53 PM
this tradw *would* kill us if we were the Nets or Celtics or some other team. The Knicks simply work under a diffent financial structure than other teams. The payroll means nothing. Lets put this into perspective...
we traded 2 second round picks in Lampe and Vujanic
we traded an expiring contract(s) in Ward and McDyess
we traded a BAD contract in Eisley (and a bad player)
we traded a probably decent #1 this year and a future #1 we can pick anytime in the next 8 years

For Penny who is now clearly our best bench player and one of the best 6th men in the NBA an all star 26 year old PG our team will be built around for the next 10 years and we didn even give up a starter.

Dont overvalue Lampe and Milos. They were nice assets, just like the picks. Arent those SUPPOSED to be used to get yourself a franchise player? And NOT one coming off 3 knee surguries that hasnt played in 2 years?
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2/1/2004  3:25 PM
oh wow lampe predicted he'd be great! lol give me a break. why dont u go root for the suns and see how long u wait for lampe has a 10point game,i'll stay over here with starbury dropping 35 on your head
Posted by gogetit:

By Greg Logan
STAFF WRITER

February 1, 2004


As great as the Knicks' trade for Stephon Marbury was from the standpoint of public relations and immediate impact, it has to rank among the most lopsided deals in NBA history in terms of the financial obligation the Knicks took on and what they gave up in the way of young players and draft picks.

Phoenix got out from under an extra $100 million in long-term debt, avoided another $5 million in luxury tax this season, pocketed $3 million in cash from the Knicks, gained the rights to young Europeans Maciej Lampe and Milos Vujanic, and picked off the Knicks' first-round draft choice this season and a conditional future first-round pick.











As one Eastern Conference general manager recently said of the deal crafted by new Knicks president Isiah Thomas, "They gave up too much. Phoenix saved a lot of money. The Knicks didn't have to give up the draft pick or so many young players, too."

Swapping the contracts of Marbury and Antonio McDyess was a great exchange for the Knicks because McDyess is on the injured list trying to strengthen his left leg after three operations in two seasons. But Lampe is on the Suns' active roster, and he predicted last night the deal will backfire when he and Vujanic blossom.

"I think it will," Lampe said. "It's just a matter of time."

SOME GIVE ZEKE WAYYYYY TOO MUCH CREDIT

[Edited by - gogetit on 02/01/2004 13:13:37]

[Edited by - gogetit on 02/01/2004 13:16:32]
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2/1/2004  3:34 PM
Y are we supposed to care that Suns saved a ton of money. Its not like we were going to be under the cap.

While I will agree we did give up a ton. We can still build a championship calibre team with Marbury, future draftpicks, sweetney, williams, and flexibable contract in KVH & Hardway & Mutombo & Houston when they get into there walking yrs. Plus people now want to come play for the up and coming Zeke as GM whos has stated his goal is a championship.
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2/1/2004  3:40 PM
The point is anybody can get a talent, especially if you give away most of your your assets and expiring contracts on your own team. Zeke ain't no GURU! He's a salesman LOL
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2/1/2004  4:56 PM
I think Isiah gave up too much given that Phoenix was engaged in a salary dump, but as long as the Knicks make the playoffs this year, the deal should end up being in the Knicks' best interests.

Vujanic is a wuss. He used every excuse possible not to sign with the Knicks, and now that Phoenix has his rights, he says he wants to sign. 'Nuff said.

Lampe fell in the draft because he has slow feet. He may eventually turn out to be a decent player, but he was hardly untouchable.

Steph is a top ten player on the rise. He is worth a max contract.

Penny's contract is out of context for his present skill level, but his expiring contract will become a valuable asset to a team looking to get under the cap in the season after the next one. In the meantime, he is a good role player, who has a chance to make important contributions to the team.

The other first round pick the Knicks gave up is protected to 25. That is a basically a second round pick.

As long as Isiah can find a way to get a legitimate post up player, the Knicks will be fine.
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2/1/2004  5:00 PM
Posted by gogetit:

The point is anybody can get a talent, especially if you give away most of your your assets and expiring contracts on your own team. Zeke ain't no GURU! He's a salesman LOL
yea? Chicago's having an easy timeget talent right? For 6 years they have had cap space, draft picks and nothing but the lottery to show for it.
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2/1/2004  5:03 PM
FISHMIKE i agree 100%. NYC is a HUGE MARKET, Marbury will bring tons of money in from merchandising. Filling the GARDEN up also brings in a ridiculous amount of money per game.

Like you said also, DON'T OVERVALUE Milos and Lampe just yet, they still have to prove themselves, I mean cmon this *** Milos didn't wanna come over because he wanted a guarenteed contract and the Knicks sucked.

Once we get Rasheed you'll forget about Milos and Lampe.
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2/1/2004  5:10 PM
I think the only problem with the trade is I would have only wanted to only give up either just one draft pick or two picks but keep Lampe.Also would have been nice to have pick this year been lottery protected (top 3 picks or even top pick)Thats the difference between very good and great trade.Also difference in being a good or great negotiator.But either way only at much slightly overpaid.Can't argue with having Marbury here in prime for at least next 6 yrs.Thanks Zeke.
fishmike 9/27/2024 11:00 PM Ug I hate this. The idea of Towns is great until you see what a pussy he is. Jules is a dog. DD was a flamethrower locked up cheap for 3 more years. First Leon move I hate
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2/2/2004  12:22 AM
Yes playa, it will absolutley destroy us. How dare Thomas bring in an allstar PG who can put up huge numbers!!! Doesn't he undertand it will take away playing time from our superstar PG Frank Williams who has proven he is the best PG ever in the longest winning streak in the NBA history ealier this season against superb competition. Obviosly Thomas should have waived his magic stick and gottten us a supestar PF instead becasue those are much easeir to come buy these days, perheaps w/out giving up our Euro allstars in Lampe and Vujanic who have already proven themselves to be the best players to ever come out of Europe, espeecially Vujanic who has absolutley dominated the NBA with his incredible desrie to play here. And how could Iseah possibly give up McDyess and Eisly, our future hall of famers who never get injured as both of them are tied for iron man records in the NBA? Truly Iseah Thomas has to be fired on the spot for turingn the formely titlebound knicks into a lottery team.

A glimmer of hope maybe?!?
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2/2/2004  1:59 AM
Good point fishmike: the knicks gave up some junk, a once very good but now injured allstar in dice and two euro players, one who was scared to come and compete and the other who is higher on himself than other GM's are(lampe) for a 26 year old, healthy star player!!

Also look at this years draft, it is filled with average players, and the projected top pick is strongly thinking about goint to college. People think it is easy to just jump up and get a star type player... well like you said, just look at the bulls. I am tired of hearing about what we gave up, the suns have been stupid enough to give up marbury who they acquired for kidd, when you look at it, the suns are in financial trouble, they are trying to sell their fans, the rebuilding thing again, I thought when you have players like kidd and steph, you are supposed to build around them, and don't say you couldn't with these two, Kidd has taken the nets to two finals and marbury has revitalized the knicks org...

Suns are a joke!!
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Posted by simrud:

Yes playa, it will absolutley destroy us. How dare Thomas bring in an allstar PG who can put up huge numbers!!! Doesn't he undertand it will take away playing time from our superstar PG Frank Williams who has proven he is the best PG ever in the longest winning streak in the NBA history ealier this season against superb competition. Obviosly Thomas should have waived his magic stick and gottten us a supestar PF instead becasue those are much easeir to come buy these days, perheaps w/out giving up our Euro allstars in Lampe and Vujanic who have already proven themselves to be the best players to ever come out of Europe, espeecially Vujanic who has absolutley dominated the NBA with his incredible desrie to play here. And how could Iseah possibly give up McDyess and Eisly, our future hall of famers who never get injured as both of them are tied for iron man records in the NBA? Truly Iseah Thomas has to be fired on the spot for turingn the formely titlebound knicks into a lottery team.


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2/2/2004  8:31 AM
hahahahahahahahaha good one Simrud
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2/2/2004  2:19 PM
I agree with Fish here; you have to look at the long-term. We just got a star PG who should be here for the next 10 years. We'll have 8 first round, 11 2nd round picks, 10 MLEs and 5 veteran's exceptions (I think) over that time to build around Marbury. That's 34 chances to get one or two athletic frontcourt players to compliment Marbury. Just be patient!
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2/2/2004  3:49 PM
Stop fooling yourself man.
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2/2/2004  6:18 PM
who cares about the money? getting under the cap is not the way Isiah plans to build a winner anyway, nor is it the way most winning teams built their teams.
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2/2/2004  6:56 PM
we land pat ewing at #1. san antonio lands duncan at #1. if the magic had kept O'neil at #1. of course, jordan is the greatest. high picks doesn't necessarily get you a franchise player but sometimes you do get lucky. Is this what re-building towards a championship all about? we get marbury and some of us think we could build a championship aroud him being the leading man. can it really happen? New York doesn't want to have a loosing season! Dolan wants a bit of money to keep coming to him, even if it does mean that 1 and done in the post-season(not saying exactly going to happen) The draft? we can't even think that. New York can't afford to loose any many as the bulls have been even when we went through it the past couple years. the stoctons are far and few between. Free agency? trades? you really think we can build a champion outta this while we still have steph? its a mess! i don't care for the cap but it's certainly a factor regarding teams trading with New York or vice versa. the max salaries, the nbdl bunch of role players. sure they'll come off at certain time but for atleast the next seasons, we are capped out. teams will trade their franchise for those expiring salaries? mle? ah come on. it could land something but it sure would have to be lucky for it to prove that we get a champion player.
if people thought that the Knicks team before the trade wasn't a play-off, they probably don't know basketball. the weak east. the fact that we had allan, van horn, deke, thomas, need i go on. do not you think that was a play-off team? why do you think laydummy got canned? chaney? the team was underperforming mainly because of the the idiot named chaney imo. we lost a lot of games that we definatly should have won. its as simple as that. we could have probably atleast been the leaders in our division for some time when the nets were struggling. would the moves have happened for all of us to be talking about isiah and marbury right now? We would still be Knicks fans talking about the decent Knicks team that isn't in #7, its #2 because of the struggle of the nets.
i think the majority agrees that this current team isn't even eastern confernce champion calibur. What can Isiah pull out of his magic hat that will make us a champion in another, let's say, five season. i would love that. waiting..

[Edited by - letitbeheard on 02/02/2004 19:09:16]
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2/2/2004  7:17 PM
Yes, the knicks can build a champion around Marbury, considering that the Nets came within 2 games of building a champion around Kidd. We need a couple of good players to take paycuts to join the Knicks for the MLE like the Lakers did this offseason. Sheed would be a great start this summer.
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