thats VERY fair... we all know he's suspect in big moments, but he's going to be your 3rd option behind Houston and Marbury and with defenses swarming to Steph late KVHs going to get good looks.

Posted by Rich:

The points made above, and that he can opt out of his contract after the season, make the case for why Kurt Thomas has to be traded before the deadline.

losing Kurt doesnt bother me... even if its for nothing. I think he's THAT overrated, but I agree... we should try to move him before the deadline. Hopefully his all star birth only increases his value.

Posted by CanadianKnicksFan:

I disagree,KT does good things for our team,Hard worker,Rebounds well,toughness

i disagree, kurt does not contribute anything. being a hard worker means nothing if you can't contribute. being tough means nothing if you can't contribute.


on another note, all the KVH haters need to shut their mouths from now on. this guy put up 30 points, 12 boards, and 7 assists, he is a legitmate threat.

KT doesnt contribute? Just look up his stats. And he does much more then stats. His post D is great, his help D is also very good, he is a very good defensive rebounder and have been getting offensive boards this year too. He has a very good 15' jumper. Nice touch around the basket. Great at pick and rolls. No allstar, but for his money he is a bargain. If you say he contributes nothing you know nothing about baksetball or just don't watch the games.

Posted by simrud:

KT doesnt contribute? Just look up his stats. And he does much more then stats. His post D is great, his help D is also very good, he is a very good defensive rebounder and have been getting offensive boards this year too. He has a very good 15' jumper. Nice touch around the basket. Great at pick and rolls. No allstar, but for his money he is a bargain. If you say he contributes nothing you know nothing about baksetball or just don't watch the games.

right on the money

These same guys think Tmac is the second coming of Jordon.LOL

I agree Keith does make a very good 4 for the Knicks. He puts good numbers there and can help them win games. Trading Kurt wouldn't be that big an issue since Keith can rebound as much as Thomas. I hope they do trade Thomas for an athletic player who compliments Starbury's game.

kurt is solid but for a 6th man only. there are WAY TOO MANY times he gets the ball where anyone else in the league would dunk or get fouled. as knicksdom said, we need to better complement to marbury's game.

Posted by fishmike:

Kurt isnt overrated... he's overvalued. He's a good MLE type player and thats it. He also doesnt fit very well on our team because he SLOW. He's NOT a versatile player on offense and he's NOT a great post defender. KMark, Jermaine Oneil and Ben Wallace are GREAT post defender.

This is the problem in a nutshell for people who overvalue Kurt. Dont mistake great hustle and hard work whih Kurt certainly has for great defense. Kurt is often getting outplayed by more athletic players. Kurt is a better center in the East than PF anyway.

Did some one say he was a "Great Post Defender". He's a good post defender. When you talk about improving team chemistry you have to look at what Kurt supplies as well as what he doesn't. He is the KNICK BEST post defender. Without him our weak defense gets worse. If we could trade Kurt for someone that is more athletic, better offensively and better defensively - sure I'd trade him - anybody would. The problem is that won't happen.

More likely if he was traded we'd get someone who

1) is better athletically but undeveloped - if this could be done it may be a risk worth taking if you're willing to see the Knicks get worse this year.

2) A player who is better offensively but worse defensively. In my view this makes us worse. We need a low post presence but you won't get a very good one and DEFENSE wins. (Which is why I don't like the Howard trade proposals).

3) A player who when healthy is better but is injury prone. I think we dealt enough with injured players but it could be argued it's a risk worth taking.

As far as the speed issue. You need rebounders to run and Kurt is one of the Knicks best rebounds. Besides outside of Marbury you hav to turn over almost the entire roster to make this team fast...

Houston - Bad knees have robbed him of a lot of speed and his game is only marginally suited to the running game.

Penny - Was last fast 5 years ago.

Van Horn - Not bad speed for his size - but certainly not a grey hound.

Mutombo - 'nough said.

Doleac - I guess compared to Mutombo.

Mookie - Yes he can run - but he don't play much.

Williams - Plays even less then Mookie and is slow for a point guard.

Anderson - See Mookie COmment.

Sweeney - Don't think so.

I don't think Van Horn is strong enough to guard most PFs down in the low-post. Against Phoenix, he was guarding Marion, who's really an SF. Most PFs will abuse Keith in the paint. I'd play Van Horn at PF only when the other team's PF is a poor low-post player (like Marion). Keith is not a natural PF or SF, unfortanately. But if you have to pick one, under most circumstances he's done better at the SF.

This is my first post here, by the way. I had over 3000 posts at the msg boards, but like many other posters, I've left that board and I'm now posting here and at the BLP board.