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My friends, this is why building a team free agency side first doesnt work
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subzero0
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2/20/2011  11:16 PM
The Knicks need to take control of these talks with Denver or scrap everything and go to the draft. That is the only way they will have a shot at a championship within the decade. But what do i know right...

This is getting out of control. The nuggets are in no position to make demands. The Knicks should never have even made Gallinari and Felton available in this trade. Fields and Mozgov should not even be in the discussion. So now the Knicks are putting themselves in a position which would mean giving up the farm so that they can have two stars. Anyone who thinks the Knicks can win a championship with just two stars raise their hands... whats that, no one has their hands up? Oh and you can forget about signing another star to this roster if this trade does go down as it is currently proposed. There will be no money left for signing another big free agent.

This all underscores the reason why championship teams start first with a championship level player from their draft and then build around that player with free agency. If you build strictly with free agency first you will not have enough money to build a championship level team. Are you guys now starting to see what I have been talking about all this time? I have been screaming this from the mountaintops for years now. But what do I know...

Mark my words, if this trade goes down with us giving up Gallinari, Felton and Mozgov we will spend another ten years getting to the playoffs only to be knocked out time and time again by better teams. In order for the Knicks to even have a chance at winning a championship they need to exclude Gallinari from this trade and hope that he evolves into a championship level player. Then and only then will Amare, Carmelo and Gallinari have a chance at a championship. But then again what do I know...

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2/20/2011  11:22 PM
subzero0 wrote:The Knicks need to take control of these talks with Denver or scrap everything and go to the draft. That is the only way they will have a shot at a championship within the decade. But what do i know right...

This is getting out of control. The nuggets are in no position to make demands. The Knicks should never have even made Gallinari and Felton available in this trade. Fields and Mozgov should not even be in the discussion. So now the Knicks are putting themselves in a position which would mean giving up the farm so that they can have two stars. Anyone who thinks the Knicks can win a championship with just two stars raise their hands... whats that, no one has their hands up? Oh and you can forget about signing another star to this roster if this trade does go down as it is currently proposed. There will be no money left for signing another big free agent.

This all underscores the reason why championship teams start first with a championship level player from their draft and then build around that player with free agency. If you build strictly with free agency first you will not have enough money to build a championship level team. Are you guys now starting to see what I have been talking about all this time? I have been screaming this from the mountaintops for years now. But what do I know...

Mark my words, if this trade goes down with us giving up Gallinari, Felton and Mozgov we will spend another ten years getting to the playoffs only to be knocked out time and time again by better teams. In order for the Knicks to even have a chance at winning a championship they need to exclude Gallinari from this trade and hope that he evolves into a championship level player. Then and only then will Amare, Carmelo and Gallinari have a chance at a championship. But then again what do I know...

Simple question? What is our main issues this season and going forward?

Defense
PG
Center

What are we good at?

Scoring

Why over pay for somebody that help you score more points, when we are already the highest scoring team in the league? SOMEBODY PLEASE ANSWER THIS QUESTION?

Also, isn't it easier to fix the three problems above, with cap room AND assets?

Vs

Adding melo, and still trying to fix the same problems...with less cap room and less assets?

HELLO....I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR A LOGICAL ANSWER!

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2/20/2011  11:31 PM
subzero0 wrote:The Knicks need to take control of these talks with Denver or scrap everything and go to the draft. That is the only way they will have a shot at a championship within the decade. But what do i know right...

This is getting out of control. The nuggets are in no position to make demands. The Knicks should never have even made Gallinari and Felton available in this trade. Fields and Mozgov should not even be in the discussion. So now the Knicks are putting themselves in a position which would mean giving up the farm so that they can have two stars. Anyone who thinks the Knicks can win a championship with just two stars raise their hands... whats that, no one has their hands up? Oh and you can forget about signing another star to this roster if this trade does go down as it is currently proposed. There will be no money left for signing another big free agent.

This all underscores the reason why championship teams start first with a championship level player from their draft and then build around that player with free agency. If you build strictly with free agency first you will not have enough money to build a championship level team. Are you guys now starting to see what I have been talking about all this time? I have been screaming this from the mountaintops for years now. But what do I know...

Mark my words, if this trade goes down with us giving up Gallinari, Felton and Mozgov we will spend another ten years getting to the playoffs only to be knocked out time and time again by better teams. In order for the Knicks to even have a chance at winning a championship they need to exclude Gallinari from this trade and hope that he evolves into a championship level player. Then and only then will Amare, Carmelo and Gallinari have a chance at a championship. But then again what do I know...

I agree but you are famous for your I told you so threads. Lets hope the trade doesn't happen and not focus in on being right about the mistakes this crazy dumb @ss owner makes.
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nixluva
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2/20/2011  11:32 PM
The idea isn't to build an OK team. You want to build a title contender. History suggests that you need at least 2 Superstars to be in the hunt for a title. So what we're talking about is putting together a new core of the team, built around 2 Elite players. That's how you do it. We can't just ignore the fact that we aren't on a path to a title as currently constructed.

So what you do is put 2 Elite players in your starting lineup and then find Role players to fill the needs you have as a team. Basically we're starting over with a new core that is basically STAT and Melo and to a lesser degree Fields. The other role players are interchangeable. We made the investment in STAT and they have to give him a partner in crime.

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2/20/2011  11:36 PM
subzero0 wrote:The Knicks need to take control of these talks with Denver or scrap everything and go to the draft. That is the only way they will have a shot at a championship within the decade. But what do i know right...

This is getting out of control. The nuggets are in no position to make demands. The Knicks should never have even made Gallinari and Felton available in this trade. Fields and Mozgov should not even be in the discussion. So now the Knicks are putting themselves in a position which would mean giving up the farm so that they can have two stars. Anyone who thinks the Knicks can win a championship with just two stars raise their hands... whats that, no one has their hands up? Oh and you can forget about signing another star to this roster if this trade does go down as it is currently proposed. There will be no money left for signing another big free agent.

This all underscores the reason why championship teams start first with a championship level player from their draft and then build around that player with free agency. If you build strictly with free agency first you will not have enough money to build a championship level team. Are you guys now starting to see what I have been talking about all this time? I have been screaming this from the mountaintops for years now. But what do I know...

Mark my words, if this trade goes down with us giving up Gallinari, Felton and Mozgov we will spend another ten years getting to the playoffs only to be knocked out time and time again by better teams. In order for the Knicks to even have a chance at winning a championship they need to exclude Gallinari from this trade and hope that he evolves into a championship level player. Then and only then will Amare, Carmelo and Gallinari have a chance at a championship. But then again what do I know...

The only thing you said that made sense was: "But what do I know right..."

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2/21/2011  6:31 AM
Agree 100%. Nothing against Amare but you're a thousand times better off with an all-star level 20 year old on a 4 year rookie contract than a player with a few seasons left on a 5 year max contract.
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2/21/2011  6:33 AM
There's not many All-Star level 20 year olds unless you win the lottery.
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Bonn1997
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2/21/2011  6:42 AM    LAST EDITED: 2/21/2011  6:44 AM
Childs2Dudley wrote:There's not many All-Star level 20 year olds unless you win the lottery.

A player with all-star ability who becomes an all-star (or even borderline all-star) while on his rookie contract might have been a better way to word it

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2/21/2011  6:45 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:
Childs2Dudley wrote:There's not many All-Star level 20 year olds unless you win the lottery.

A player with all-star ability might have been a better way to word it

The draft is a crap shoot and we had no picks for the forseeable future when Walsh took over.

We had not been under the cap in 14 years. It was 2010. The year of LeBron. It was worth the risk, considering nothing else we did the past decade worked. We could have built through the draft but chances are James Dolan wasn't going to like it. Neither was his boy Isiah Thomas. So Walsh went with another method that would bring more instant success. He has managed to work that plan perfectly and also build one of the youngest rosters in the NBA in the process.

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My friends, this is why building a team free agency side first doesnt work

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