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ramtour420
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2/20/2011  8:51 PM
I've been trying to ignore all this Melodrama, but if we do give up Felton and Gallo in addition to the original trade proposal then two things are true.
1. Prokhorov has punked Dolan big time.
2. Isiah made this trade happen, even though the original trade proposal would have worked if he didn't get involved.

Very depressing stuff. My last hope is that Melo told Dolan during their meeting to keep the team intact as much as they can, so that he has a better chance of winning a title.

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2/20/2011  8:59 PM
ramtour420 wrote:I've been trying to ignore all this Melodrama, but if we do give up Felton and Gallo in addition to the original trade proposal then two things are true.
1. Prokhorov has punked Dolan big time.
2. Isiah made this trade happen, even though the original trade proposal would have worked if he didn't get involved.

Very depressing stuff. My last hope is that Melo told Dolan during their meeting to keep the team intact as much as they can, so that he has a better chance of winning a title.


Id take focus off of what is leaving and concentrate on what is coming+ what we can do with a few days left to enhance the team now. I like the direction of the old team--bt they were not keeping either randolph or chandler. Would it been nice ot get CA cheaper both in contratc and in price paid--YES---but you deal with what is in front of yo9u and roll with it. Were getting two very good players and the best player in the deal by a good margin. Now focus has to go to enhancement.
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2/20/2011  9:09 PM
You have to get to the point where you recognize that the ultimate goal is to get the premium core talent 1st. After that you can truly consider yourself building a title contender. It's not like we lost anything that can't be replaced at some point, but we did gain someone who is in a rare breed of NBA players. Now we would have 2 top tier players in our starting lineup. Now we can focus on the rest of the roster. I would also have preferred to keep Gallo and Felton, but in the overall scheme of things this is a better place to start from than we previously had. Melo didn't want to risk losing out on his money and tho I wish he would've taken the risk, it's not my call. This is his career and his decision to make.
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2/20/2011  9:21 PM
I wouldn't give up the money and no one on this forum would give it up so please kill the drama. We all have jobs right ? Well if you go back to when you interviewed for your job and your boss told you that he could hire you now at your requested salary which is a 20% raise or you can wait to except the job for 5 months and stay at your current salary. WHAT WOULD YOU DO ???
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2/20/2011  9:47 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/20/2011  9:47 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
ramtour420 wrote:I've been trying to ignore all this Melodrama, but if we do give up Felton and Gallo in addition to the original trade proposal then two things are true.
1. Prokhorov has punked Dolan big time.
2. Isiah made this trade happen, even though the original trade proposal would have worked if he didn't get involved.

Very depressing stuff. My last hope is that Melo told Dolan during their meeting to keep the team intact as much as they can, so that he has a better chance of winning a title.


Id take focus off of what is leaving and concentrate on what is coming+ what we can do with a few days left to enhance the team now. I like the direction of the old team--bt they were not keeping either randolph or chandler. Would it been nice ot get CA cheaper both in contratc and in price paid--YES---but you deal with what is in front of yo9u and roll with it. Were getting two very good players and the best player in the deal by a good margin. Now focus has to go to enhancement.

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2/20/2011  10:12 PM
Won't deny that Anthony is the most desirable piece in all these talks, but this trade is "fool's gold" compared to what we could have ended up with and we have been played by the Nyets, Denver, and Melo, but mostly by Denver and Melo, who acts like he has is a young innocent being buffeted about by Knicks, Nuggets, and Nyets.

Melo has always had the power to dictate his own terms, to some extent, but despite his professed desire to play in NY, he and his reps have done their best to create a situation in which the Knicks were squeezed, aided, of course, by Dolan and, so it would seem, Thomas.

I keep on thinking of the Wizard of Oz, Dorothy's ruby slippers, and the good witch telling her that she always had the power to go home, simply by clicking her shoes and saying "There's no place like home." Seems to me that all Anthony had to say was to the Nuggets and his agent was "There's no place like New York," and we could have come away in a much stronger situation than we seem to be heading for at this point.

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2/20/2011  10:21 PM
ramtour420 wrote:I've been trying to ignore all this Melodrama, but if we do give up Felton and Gallo in addition to the original trade proposal then two things are true.
1. Prokhorov has punked Dolan big time.
2. Isiah made this trade happen, even though the original trade proposal would have worked if he didn't get involved.

Very depressing stuff. My last hope is that Melo told Dolan during their meeting to keep the team intact as much as they can, so that he has a better chance of winning a title.

Papabear Says

The man wants his 65 million. Will Dolan promise Melo that he won't loose a thing if he waits? Now if it was me I would wait and sign with the Knicks. Leaving that money on the table is hard to do. What if Melo have a major injury? Will the Knicks still take him? No!

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2/20/2011  10:24 PM
CHAOS wrote:I wouldn't give up the money and no one on this forum would give it up so please kill the drama. We all have jobs right ? Well if you go back to when you interviewed for your job and your boss told you that he could hire you now at your requested salary which is a 20% raise or you can wait to except the job for 5 months and stay at your current salary. WHAT WOULD YOU DO ???

Papabear Says

What??

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2/20/2011  10:29 PM
Papabear wrote:
CHAOS wrote:I wouldn't give up the money and no one on this forum would give it up so please kill the drama. We all have jobs right ? Well if you go back to when you interviewed for your job and your boss told you that he could hire you now at your requested salary which is a 20% raise or you can wait to except the job for 5 months and stay at your current salary. WHAT WOULD YOU DO ???

Papabear Says

What??

Exactly.

CHAOS, i'll set it up differently for you.

You have 2 scenarios:

Job #1: $1.3M but not in the city you want and you don't really enjoy the job.

Job #2: $1M in the city that you want, in the city that your wife wants, and your dream job.

Which do you choose?

I choose #2 every day.

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ramtour420
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2/21/2011  11:52 AM
I understand Melo's need to sign a new deal. Would Nuggs be willing to lose him for nothing to free agency? No. The deal would have been made regardless. My point is that Nuggs would have no choice but to accept our original proposal in order to get anything back for Melo. We had O competition, but Prokhorov did what he had to and it looks like Dolan pooped his pants and pressured Walsh into giving up more than we had to. (Isiah, obviously was wispering sweet nothings into Dolan's ear, and Walsh being without a contract is still some BS) Melo could have told Dolan at their meeting not to up the offer, but I don't think he did. Yes, you get main pieces first and then build around that, but why give up more than you have to?
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2/21/2011  12:49 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/21/2011  12:49 PM
If you're counting on Melo's influence in anything, I am sorry to crush your dreams! But Melo is wrapped around LaLa's overweight fingers. He's hardly able to choose what he wears to dinner much less influence anything in such a critical situation.

Melo is stripped of all his decisiveness, all his direction, by LaLa and her meddling ways.

Let me ask you this, you take LaLa away and do you think Melo is pushing to get off Denver? I doubt it. He's been happy there all these years, they always contended. George Karl had that team at a very high level.

But Denver is probably too cold for LaLa to wear her skimpy smut wear.

WE AIN'T NOWHERE WITH THIS BUM CHOKER IN CARMELO. GIVE ME STARKS'S 2-21 ANY DAY OVER THIS LACKLUSTER CLUSTEREFF.
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2/21/2011  12:56 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/21/2011  12:57 PM
martin wrote:
Papabear wrote:
CHAOS wrote:I wouldn't give up the money and no one on this forum would give it up so please kill the drama. We all have jobs right ? Well if you go back to when you interviewed for your job and your boss told you that he could hire you now at your requested salary which is a 20% raise or you can wait to except the job for 5 months and stay at your current salary. WHAT WOULD YOU DO ???

Papabear Says

What??

Exactly.

CHAOS, i'll set it up differently for you.

You have 2 scenarios:

Job #1: $1.3M but not in the city you want and you don't really enjoy the job.

Job #2: $1M in the city that you want, in the city that your wife wants, and your dream job.

Which do you choose?

I choose #2 every day.

Word. Not only that, but #2 offers you the chance to make up in bonuses ten times as much as you're leaving on the table. And, perhaps most importantly, #2 gives you an opportunity to cement your place in NBA history and establish an enduring legacy in the biggest market in the world. If Melo and Stat accomplish that, then they will have continued earning power even after their playing careers (i.e., through ongoing endorsements and substantial shares in co-branded product lines... a la MJ).

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2/21/2011  1:03 PM
alanhahn So, really, this isn't in Denver's hands. This isn't in the Knicks' hands. This remains in Carmelo's hands. Should know today.
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2/21/2011  1:13 PM
This reminds me of when David Falk told Magic Johnson that he would get more money if he represented him; but would take more money for doing so. And Magic responded you ain't getting my money and then went back to his agent that allowed him to signed a 25 year $25MM deal. Even though Falk would have got him much more.

Carmelo didn't want to give up his money in order to make a lot more money like his buddies. Now he wants his and he wants it at all costs. Everything you need to know about Melo is in that statement right there. If the Knicks keep more of their core the better it is for Melo financially. However, because he is braindead and doesn't get that winning here increases his Jordan Brand, his marketing dollars and his profile, his wife's profile he is going to bitch and moan and allow the Knicks to give up to much to get him and sign him to an extension that is going to prevent the team for being positioned to win a title.

When youre talking about a 300k difference to the working class guy with kid that **** matters. But when you're talking about 200MM instead of 220MM there really there isn't a difference in lifestyle. It's about being happy. Think to yourself that you are lucky to be doing what you're doing. Yes you worked hard, but the NBA is a gift. Joe Johnson wanted his max deal and I am sure he will be happy losing in the first round of the playoffs for the rest of his career, but Melo shouldn't be.

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2/21/2011  8:42 PM
orangeblobman wrote:But Denver is probably too cold for LaLa to wear her skimpy smut wear.

Um, Denver is warmer than NYC

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2/21/2011  9:03 PM
I would've preferred that Melo took a stand earlier and basically forced the hand of the Nuggets to make a deal with the Knicks. I think it could've gotten him what he wants sooner and it would've helped to preserve assets for his new team the Knicks. I don't understand why he and his agent didn't take that route.

Now we have this prolonged negotiation and Denver is looking to steal more from the Knicks, which hurts Melo in the end. Denver doesn't want Melo to be happy and go where he wants to go and find the most success, so why is he helping them? Today was supposed to be the decision day and we're still waiting.

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2/21/2011  9:48 PM
Paladin55 wrote:Won't deny that Anthony is the most desirable piece in all these talks, but this trade is "fool's gold" compared to what we could have ended up with and we have been played by the Nyets, Denver, and Melo, but mostly by Denver and Melo, who acts like he has is a young innocent being buffeted about by Knicks, Nuggets, and Nyets.

Melo has always had the power to dictate his own terms, to some extent, but despite his professed desire to play in NY, he and his reps have done their best to create a situation in which the Knicks were squeezed, aided, of course, by Dolan and, so it would seem, Thomas.

I keep on thinking of the Wizard of Oz, Dorothy's ruby slippers, and the good witch telling her that she always had the power to go home, simply by clicking her shoes and saying "There's no place like home." Seems to me that all Anthony had to say was to the Nuggets and his agent was "There's no place like New York," and we could have come away in a much stronger situation than we seem to be heading for at this point.

I am not sure I woul blame Melo. If anything he is trying NOT to get traded somewhere else. If he said it was Knicks or nothin Denver would have to send him somewhere else to save face. If you want to blame someone look no further than the owner. But let's first see how this plays out and what the real pieces are. Also interested to see what Walsh has to say in the aftermath

And on other thing .... This is not Kansas anymore (couldn't resist)

TKF on Melo ::....he is a punk, a jerk, a self absorbed out of shape, self aggrandizing, unprofessional, volume chucking coach killing playoff loser!!
Melo's influence on the trade is the last hope.

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