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1/31/2004  4:21 PM
Eddie Jordon has been a disaster as a head coach.Gilbert Arenas turned out to be a spotlight seeker,With idiotic playoff guarentees.
The team is a drift with no direction.

Grunfeld has not made any descent moves to right the ship.

Since getting firied by NYK in 1999 Grunfeld hasn't made any impact moves with the Bucks or Wiz.

What happened to the Man who brought in Spree.LJ & Houston.

Hard times indeed

Axe will fall in Washington if he doesn't right the ship soon

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1/31/2004  4:22 PM
maybe he can send us Kwame before he gets fired?

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1/31/2004  4:25 PM
What happened to the Man who brought in Spree.LJ & Houston.

And he brought Chris Childs and Marcus Camby in, and signed KT, when he was young. Oh, and didn't he mention that he wanted his franchise player to actually retire on his franchise? Times have changed.
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1/31/2004  4:31 PM
Checketts screwed up in 1999,He panicked let the media tell him he needed someone's head.

Ernie still hasn't recovered.

Ewing would never have been traded with Ernie as Gm
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1/31/2004  4:38 PM
I don't agree that Washington is a mess. Arenas & Stackhouse could be one of the best backcourts in the NBA. Hayes has shown a lot of potential in his rookie yr. Kwame seems to have arrived. Eddie Jordan is a good coach, Injuries have just set them back big time. The only real long term contracts they have are Arenas & Stackhouse who are both very tradable if they don't work out. Hughes has been excellent for them. They can land Okafor this coming draft and have a great lineup of.

Arenas, Hughes, Stackouse, Kwame, Okafor
Blake, Dixon, Hayes, Jefferies, Haywood. And a bunch of FA money by 2005.
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1/31/2004  4:46 PM
Posted by CanadianKnicksFan:

Checketts screwed up in 1999,He panicked let the media tell him he needed someone's head.

Ernie still hasn't recovered.

Ewing would never have been traded with Ernie as Gm

Dolan was unhappy with the discord between Van Gundy and Ernie, and ordered Checketts to fire one or the other.
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1/31/2004  4:48 PM
Posted by newyorknewyork:

I don't agree that Washington is a mess. Arenas & Stackhouse could be one of the best backcourts in the NBA. Hayes has shown a lot of potential in his rookie yr. Kwame seems to have arrived. Eddie Jordan is a good coach, Injuries have just set them back big time. The only real long term contracts they have are Arenas & Stackhouse who are both very tradable if they don't work out. Hughes has been excellent for them. They can land Okafor this coming draft and have a great lineup of.

Arenas, Hughes, Stackouse, Kwame, Okafor
Blake, Dixon, Hayes, Jefferies, Haywood. And a bunch of FA money by 2005.

I agree to an extent, but Okafor is going to erase a lot of mistakes of whichever team is fortunate enough to draft him. (It freakin' better not be Phoenix with the Knicks' pick).
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1/31/2004  5:08 PM
Kwame was /is a real waste of a lottery pick,let alone a 1

Stack hasn't proven anything & his knee is shot.

As for Arenas big upside,He needs to use his head more

Still see Ernie needing a trade to right this ship.

Eddie Jordon can't get these guys motivated without Arenas in the line up.
Hughs having his best season,nice to see
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1/31/2004  5:47 PM
Posted by CanadianKnicksFan:

Kwame was /is a real waste of a lottery pick,let alone a 1

Stack hasn't proven anything & his knee is shot.

As for Arenas big upside,He needs to use his head more

Still see Ernie needing a trade to right this ship.

Eddie Jordon can't get these guys motivated without Arenas in the line up.

Hughs having his best season,nice to see

Kwame will be as good as Jermaine O'Neal
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1/31/2004  8:01 PM
Kwame was /is a real waste of a lottery pick,let alone a 1
Stack hasn't proven anything & his knee is shot.

As for Arenas big upside,He needs to use his head more

Still see Ernie needing a trade to right this ship.

Eddie Jordon can't get these guys motivated without Arenas in the line up.
Hughs having his best season,nice to see


If u look at everything they have in a negative way then yea Arenas can become injury prone. Stackhouse could never recover from his Knee injury. But all im saying is they have a bunch of nice pieces and they have a couple of guys whos contracts are coming off the books giving them a lot of cap space.

Kwame was only 18 when drafted sure he didn't blow up right away and seem hopeless but he is now 21 and seems to become coming around he played better than O'neal when they faced each other. He has played way more aggressive and confident and we have a lot more season left as well.
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1/31/2004  10:03 PM
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Posted by CanadianKnicksFan:

Kwame was /is a real waste of a lottery pick,let alone a 1

Stack hasn't proven anything & his knee is shot.

As for Arenas big upside,He needs to use his head more

Still see Ernie needing a trade to right this ship.

Eddie Jordon can't get these guys motivated without Arenas in the line up.

Hughs having his best season,nice to see

Kwame will be as good as Jermaine O'Neal


LOL
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1/31/2004  10:29 PM
Posted by CanadianKnicksFan:
Posted by 1:
Posted by CanadianKnicksFan:

Kwame was /is a real waste of a lottery pick,let alone a 1

Stack hasn't proven anything & his knee is shot.

As for Arenas big upside,He needs to use his head more

Still see Ernie needing a trade to right this ship.

Eddie Jordon can't get these guys motivated without Arenas in the line up.

Hughs having his best season,nice to see

Kwame will be as good as Jermaine O'Neal


LOL
Canada, did someone hijack your account, this sure doesnt sound like you. I think Kwame can become as good as Jermaine.
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2/1/2004  12:16 AM
I quesss with his size it could be true,But by year 3 Jo had shown it in flashes at least
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Posted by Allanfan20:

[quote] What happened to the Man who brought in Spree.LJ & Houston.

And he brought Chris Childs and Marcus Camby in, and signed KT, when he was young. Oh, and didn't he mention that he wanted his franchise player to actually retire on his franchise? Times have changed.
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Your other points here were positive,but bringing in Childs? this guy was the biggest waste. He didn't even want to start saying it was too much pressure. signing Childs was one of Grunfeld WORST moves. At the time he could have signed Kenny Anderson or Tim Hardaway who both were free agents at the same time and ended up signing for about the same money. The team would have been much,much better .Also Childs was such a cry baby about every friggin call-I hated to watch that guy play.( One of Laytons bonehead moves was to trade Childs to Toronto for Marc Jackson-which was fine but he also included a #1 pick in the deal which was ridiculous for a 35yr old player who couldnt guard anyone)
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2/2/2004  2:19 PM
If the Wiz are such a mess then I will have Kwame please.
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2/2/2004  2:37 PM
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I agree to an extent, but Okafor is going to erase a lot of mistakes of whichever team is fortunate enough to draft him. (It freakin' better not be Phoenix with the Knicks' pick).
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I don't care who the Suns get with the pick; in my view, it was worth giving up a mid first round pick to get Stephon. I can't see Okafur slipping down to 15 anyway, but even if he did, I'd rather have Stephon than Okafur. Many 17 pt, 12 rb type of players in the NCAA go on to be nothing special in the NBA. Okafur may defy the odds and become a star, possibly even a superstar at the level Stephon is already at.
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