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2/19/2011  3:47 PM
Nets are signing this guy. Its a smokescreen... plain and simple. Denver is trying to jack up the price. Wait till 3pm on Thurs... If Denver doesnt want a couple picks and Chandler they can give me a bumpkin
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2/19/2011  4:03 PM
Things seem to be changing by the hour, hard keeping up. If Melo goes for the money after all this holding out to play in NY then I got to wonder how serious he was to begin with. Its a lot of money to leave on the table, sure, but its not like there isn't enough to get paid and play in NY. Is he that hard up?
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2/19/2011  4:09 PM
Id like to see this deal--were bargaining against no one.


Honestly--and we know this is true--there are knick fans who would not care if we gave up fields Mosgov felton chandler Randolph Gallo.

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2/19/2011  4:11 PM
fishmike wrote:Nets are signing this guy. Its a smokescreen... plain and simple. Denver is trying to jack up the price. Wait till 3pm on Thurs... If Denver doesnt want a couple picks and Chandler they can give me a bumpkin

You know, it makes sense. Someone has to be ****ing lieing here. It's either Denver or Melo's guys! I hope DW holds strong and figures out a way to keep Dolan on the leash.
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2/19/2011  4:15 PM
Silverfuel wrote:
fishmike wrote:Nets are signing this guy. Its a smokescreen... plain and simple. Denver is trying to jack up the price. Wait till 3pm on Thurs... If Denver doesnt want a couple picks and Chandler they can give me a bumpkin

You know, it makes sense. Someone has to be ****ing lieing here. It's either Denver or Melo's guys! I hope DW holds strong and figures out a way to keep Dolan on the leash.

A really really short leash. Like one of those foot long leashes you'd give to a wild rottweiler with the rubber handles that give you a firm and strong grip. A good strong choke collar is ideal too.

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2/19/2011  4:36 PM
Walsh was never the problem. As soon as Dolan got into this, you knew that they lost all bargaining leverage. He's got Isiah in the background giving him advice. There's nothing we can do about that. If we overpay it's just business as usual for the Knicks under Dolan. Walsh tried his best to save Dolan from himself, but in the end it just can't work. Dolan is a loose canon and he's shooting his own ship. It's what he does.
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2/19/2011  4:37 PM
Saturday, February 19, 2011

Fore! Knicks could be on 18th tee with 6-shot lead to win Carmelo

The news Saturday afternoon from Nets owner Mikhail Prokhorov’s assistant that he has no plans to meet with Carmelo Anthony during All-Star Weekend can easily be perceived as great news for the Knicks.

So can the New York Times report that Anthony has told associates that he wouldn’t sign an extension with the Nets if the Nuggets traded him there.

Unless Denver has another team up its sleeve, it means the Knicks would essentially be bidding against themselves for Carmelo.

NBA TV is already reporting that, rather than Danilo Gallinari, the Nuggets may prefer rookies Landry Fields and Timofey Mozgov.

Believe Prokhorov (and, of course, he proved he wasn’t to be believed before when he “pulled out” of the Carmelo talks) and maybe the Knicks can tell the Nuggets, “You get Wilson Chandler, Eddy Curry’s contract, Raymond Felton and a number 1. And you’ll like it.”

Of course, they have to be diplomatic about this _ never exactly a strong suit at MSG. They can’t insult the Nuggets and make them walk away.

But unless Chicago, the Lakers or a rent-a-team jumps in the hunt with an offer that’ll pique the Nugs’ interest (and the Bulls have already suggested they’re not breaking up a good thing), the Knicks are on the final tee with a six-shot lead and only they can blow this.

Unless (and if you follow golf, you know the analogy) they turn into Jean van de Velde at the 1999 British Open

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2/19/2011  4:37 PM
nixluva wrote:Walsh was never the problem. As soon as Dolan got into this, you knew that they lost all bargaining leverage. He's got Isiah in the background giving him advice. There's nothing we can do about that. If we overpay it's just business as usual for the Knicks under Dolan. Walsh tried his best to save Dolan from himself, but in the end it just can't work. Dolan is a loose canon and he's shooting his own ship. It's what he does.

I am holding out a little bit of hope that DW and MDA have figured out a way to hold Dolan back.
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2/19/2011  4:40 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/19/2011  5:30 PM
babyKnicks wrote:Of course, they have to be diplomatic about this _ never exactly a strong suit at MSG. They can’t insult the Nuggets and make them walk away.

Donnie Walsh is really good at this. He can make this happen. As far as I am concerned, the price is entirely up to him. If he feels like we can get Melo for cheap, he will hold out. If he pays 3 starters + Eddy + AR's pick then he thought it was necessary. I have faith in DWs ability.
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2/19/2011  4:41 PM
They didn't accept the deal last night. If I am Donnie I am now pulling pieces back. No Gallo. You can have Walker and Douglas. Or give us Nene.
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2/19/2011  5:04 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/19/2011  5:33 PM
joec32033 wrote:They didn't accept the deal last night. If I am Donnie I am now pulling pieces back. No Gallo. You can have Walker and Douglas. Or give us Nene.

Totally agree with you Joe about pulling pieces back..This is nonsense already---Carmelo shouldn't want us to give up all of this--how the hell is he not stepping in to rectify the situation??? If this dude has his head on straight, he goes to Denver and says, "look, that's too much, knock it off..I'm not gonna let you rape my new team--I have to go play there. They've manned up and made a fair offer more than once; now it's your turn." I mean threaten them Melo!!! WTF!! Dude hasn't used his leverage at all man..He's got them believing that if the Knicks are out, he'll sign that deal with Jersey..Or even stranger, he'll resign with Denver. That's why Denver is approaching this the way they are ---> They're just not feeling the desperation at all which has totally worked against the Knicks. Now we're supposed to just cater to their every whim??? Says F'in who???????? Get this: Now I'm reading they actually want Fields & Mozgov instead of Gallo...I say F no with a capital F!!! Mozgov I couldn't care less about but Fields is OFF THE TABLE..Draw a damn line already and say that's it..This is all getting completely out of control. Where does it end?

So let me get this straight: Now with the latest version of this caca, we get Melo but have to flip PGs while also giving them our starting SG (and the ROY if Griffin doesn't get hurt last year--that's our whole starting backcourt we're talking about here btw), our starting 6'10" 3 that's made nice strides this year when it comes to aggressiveness, our 6th man who's having a nice year, a 7'1" center propsect that the Knicks are very high on, an acquired first round pick (for AR) AND THEN have to take back a bunch of expiring garbage (which limits our possibilities of calling up some nice D-league standouts for example, guys that are better options than the crappy filler we'll be getting--so we're talking limited or zero roster flexibility) and then have to take back Ro Balkman's salary (almost $2M a season for the next 2 years)..Have I got that right?? F this man...Walk away from this and see if they come crawling back at the deadline. And if they don't, they don't..This is nuts!! At this point I question not only how much Melo wants to be a Knick but if he even gives a **** how good the team will be if and when he gets here...Donnie Walsh would've laughed at this proposal and hung up the phone on them.

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2/19/2011  5:26 PM
BRIGGS wrote:Id like to see this deal--were bargaining against no one.


Honestly--and we know this is true--there are knick fans who would not care if we gave up fields Mosgov felton chandler Randolph Gallo.


You may just be right.
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2/19/2011  5:30 PM
BRIGGS wrote:Id like to see this deal--were bargaining against no one.


Honestly--and we know this is true--there are knick fans who would not care if we gave up fields Mosgov felton chandler Randolph Gallo.

Those Knicks fans are idiots.

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2/19/2011  5:47 PM
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joec32033 wrote:They didn't accept the deal last night. If I am Donnie I am now pulling pieces back. No Gallo. You can have Walker and Douglas. Or give us Nene.

Totally agree with you Joe about pulling pieces back..This is nonsense already---Carmelo shouldn't want us to give up all of this--how the hell is he not stepping in to rectify the situation??? If this dude has his head on straight, he goes to Denver and says, "look, that's too much, knock it off..I'm not gonna let you rape my new team--I have to go play there. They've manned up and made a fair offer more than once; now it's your turn." I mean threaten them Melo!!! WTF!! Dude hasn't used his leverage at all man..He's got them believing that if the Knicks are out, he'll sign that deal with Jersey..Or even stranger, he'll resign with Denver. That's why Denver is approaching this the way they are ---> They're just not feeling the desperation at all which has totally worked against the Knicks. Now we're suppose to just cater to their every whim??? Says F'in who???????? Get this: Now I'm reading they actually want Fields & Mozgov instead of Gallo...I say F no with a capital F!!! Mozgov I couldn't care less about but Fields is OFF THE TABLE..[b]Draw a damn line already and say that's it[/b]..This is all getting completely out of control. When does it end?

So let me get this straight: Now with the latest version of this caca, we get Melo but have to flip PGs while also giving them our starting SG (and the ROY if Griffin doesn't get hurt last year--that's our whole starting backcourt we're talking about here btw), our starting 6'10" 3 that's made nice strides this year when it comes to aggressiveness, our 6th man who's having a nice year, a 7'1" center propsect that the Knicks are very high on, AND THEN have to take back a bunch of expiring garbage (which limits our possibilities of calling up some nice D-league standouts for example, guys that are better options than the crappy filler we'll be getting--so we're talking limited or zero roster flexibility) and then have to take back Ro Balkman's salary (almost $2M a season for the next 2 years)..Have I got that right?? F this man...Walk away from this and see if they come crawling back at the deadline. And if they don't, they don't..This is nuts!! At this point I question not only how much Melo wants to be a Knick but if he even gives a **** how good the team will be if and when he gets here...Donnie Walsh would've laughed at this proposal and hung up the phone on them.

With Dolan's decision to step in and play a greater role it would seem that there is no line at all, and Denver is going to push things as far as they can, and use the Nyets as much as they can to squeeze us.

It has become more and more evident that Melo is only concerned about the dinero. You wonder what Amare is doing during all of this. Is he even communicating with Melo about what is about to happen and how it will affect the team?

For me the nightmare trade is one where Gallo AND Fields are included- At this point giving up both would hit me hardest as a fan of this team and perhaps change the way I feel about the Knicks as a fan.

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2/19/2011  5:54 PM
The Knicks need to hold the line at Chan and Gallo or Chan and Fields, but No Timo. You can't give them 4 of our rotation guys. They gave Denver a more than fair offer and there's no reason to budge at this point. We know that Melo won't sign with the Nets and the Nets seem to be done with this circus. Denver has been playing games for months. you can't make a deal with guys that keep changing what they're asking you for. As soon as you say OK to a deal, they go and change the deal again, asking for more. Totally unprofessional.
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2/19/2011  6:27 PM
chandler, AR, curry, turiaf

for

melo

and that's it

maybe include the billups for felton swap... maybe.

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2/19/2011  6:49 PM
eViL wrote:chandler, AR, curry, turiaf

for

melo

and that's it

maybe include the billups for felton swap... maybe.

Dolan will never do that. He's gonna give in cuz he wants to make sure we come out of the weekend with the prize. He's gonna give them at least 2 of Chandler, Gallo or Fields.

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2/19/2011  7:07 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/19/2011  7:24 PM
Paladin -- You're 100% right bro..I wonder myself what Amar'e has to say about all of this..He can't possibly be happy about these lastest rumors/developments.. Does he really want Melo to come to a depleted, top-heavy team like this? Of course he doesn't..He knows it's gonna take more than he and Melo to get this done..We really are gonna have holes all over the place if we cave in to DEN's latest demands: Not only glaring holes in the starting backcourt at both positions (assuming we elect to save $10M next year and cut Billups--and if Billups does stay, he's OK, but how do we play the uptempo ball we really wanna play with a 35-36 year old PG? And who's gonna be our starting 2? -- the biggest holes are gonna be in the backcourt by far..we gain a star SF but loose an entire backcourt--that alone kinda doesn't make this a net gain), holes in the middle (not that I thought Moz was really that good; he's not, but he still has some unrealized potential I guess and he is big---DEN obviously covets him, he's been in most of the proposed packages..If they want him, he should be treated as a legit piece to the deal, not some assumed add-on that we'll have to tack on to Landry or Gallo..BULLSHIT) and a ton of holes off the bench. And not only do we have to take on Melo's salary but Balkman's too?? As little as Balk makes, his extra 2 years further puts us behind the 8-ball when it comes to eventually opening up some salary cap room in order to surround our two centerpieces with any kind of capable NBA-ready talent. I mean what if there really is no MLE?? And can you imagine if Balkman's contract ever got in the way of us getting a player we otherwise would've had room for?? I think I'd jump off a cliff if that ever happened..LOL.). Personally, the offer I'd make wouldn't include Felton or Fields..Anything else they can have..But that's me.. And I agree with you on point #2 -- it's so obvious now that Melo is concerned about getting paid first and foremost which has upset me a great deal over the last 24 hrs. That together with DEN's escalating demands is making this look like a deal that we need to walk away from..

Nix -- agree with what you're saying for the most part..Only thing is I would substitute Mozgov for Fields and/or Felton in this deal in a heartbeat..I'd even be willing to go as far as to offer a limited combination that included our 2014 1st, our 2016 1st, multiple 2nd rounders and the rights to 7' C Jerome Jordan in order to keep Felton and Fields both in a Knick uniform (how come we haven't heard about a counter offer using these assets instead? That's what I wanna know)..That's just me..I can't justify this trade if all of a sudden I'm down an entire starting backcourt..Billups won't be the answer..At 35-36 he's got enough left in the tank to keep up with guys like Rondo, D Wade, D Rose on a nightly basis? Doubtful..Even 2nd tier EC PGs like Jameer Nelson, Mike Bibby, John Wall, what have you?? Guy's got a championship to his credit and he can still drill the 3 ball; he's got my respect, but even if we do keep him, we'll be at a disadvantage most nights against EC PGs, just on athleticism alone..I mean look at how much D'Antoni depends on Felton right now--and Ray's still pretty much a young buck, right in his prime..How would Billups hold up under that kind of pressure??? Big question...Safe to say, probably not as well as Felton would have..And then there's the type of offense we're gonna be looking to play -- we'll be a team that needs to outscore the opponent to be successful more than ever now, which means getting up and down the court any chance we have..Having a 35-36-yr-old PG at the controls is gonna make that tough..I'd much rather take my chances competing against these guys on a nightly basis with Ray Felton..And another thing I don't like: Now all of a sudden I could see us going after a PG in the draft this summer with our 1st round pick instead of a big man and I think that's a mistake..Right now it looks like there will be better big men in the 17-20 range than PGs..I wouldn't wanna pass up a decent big in order to reach for a mediocre PG that's not even as good as Toney Douglas. I don't care at all for the PG swap...In fact, I don't wanna give them either of my starting guards, Felton or Fields. Period.

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2/19/2011  7:17 PM
He's not playing in NJ so he can be a perennial loser with Brook Lopez.
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2/19/2011  7:20 PM
nixluva wrote:
eViL wrote:chandler, AR, curry, turiaf

for

melo

and that's it

maybe include the billups for felton swap... maybe.

Dolan will never do that. He's gonna give in cuz he wants to make sure we come out of the weekend with the prize. He's gonna give them at least 2 of Chandler, Gallo or Fields.

and this is what will eventually keep the team from being a champion. i'm sorry, but champions don't panic. they don't panic in games, their front office don't panic and their ownership don't panic. we hold all the cards. i would not give up anything we don't have to give up in the offseason. i would throw in the felton/billups swap just to let denver save face and say that they upgraded PG with a guy on a good contract. and really, if melo is not about it, then we don't need him. this is all about him and he better be willing to take it all the way if he has to. champs don't panic. this is a big test for melo.

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ESPN radio saying Nets owner isnt meeting w/ Melo and has no intention to

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