fishmike wrote:Nets are signing this guy. Its a smokescreen... plain and simple. Denver is trying to jack up the price. Wait till 3pm on Thurs... If Denver doesnt want a couple picks and Chandler they can give me a bumpkin

nixluva wrote:Walsh was never the problem. As soon as Dolan got into this, you knew that they lost all bargaining leverage. He's got Isiah in the background giving him advice. There's nothing we can do about that. If we overpay it's just business as usual for the Knicks under Dolan. Walsh tried his best to save Dolan from himself, but in the end it just can't work. Dolan is a loose canon and he's shooting his own ship. It's what he does.

BRIGGS wrote:Id like to see this deal--were bargaining against no one.

Honestly--and we know this is true--there are knick fans who would not care if we gave up fields Mosgov felton chandler Randolph Gallo.

Finestrg wrote:

joec32033 wrote:They didn't accept the deal last night. If I am Donnie I am now pulling pieces back. No Gallo. You can have Walker and Douglas. Or give us Nene.

Totally agree with you Joe about pulling pieces back..This is nonsense already---Carmelo shouldn't want us to give up all of this--how the hell is he not stepping in to rectify the situation??? If this dude has his head on straight, he goes to Denver and says, "look, that's too much, knock it off..I'm not gonna let you rape my new team--I have to go play there. They've manned up and made a fair offer more than once; now it's your turn." I mean threaten them Melo!!! WTF!! Dude hasn't used his leverage at all man..He's got them believing that if the Knicks are out, he'll sign that deal with Jersey..Or even stranger, he'll resign with Denver. That's why Denver is approaching this the way they are ---> They're just not feeling the desperation at all which has totally worked against the Knicks. Now we're suppose to just cater to their every whim??? Says F'in who???????? Get this: Now I'm reading they actually want Fields & Mozgov instead of Gallo...I say F no with a capital F!!! Mozgov I couldn't care less about but Fields is OFF THE TABLE..[b]Draw a damn line already and say that's it[/b]..This is all getting completely out of control. When does it end?

So let me get this straight: Now with the latest version of this caca, we get Melo but have to flip PGs while also giving them our starting SG (and the ROY if Griffin doesn't get hurt last year--that's our whole starting backcourt we're talking about here btw), our starting 6'10" 3 that's made nice strides this year when it comes to aggressiveness, our 6th man who's having a nice year, a 7'1" center propsect that the Knicks are very high on, AND THEN have to take back a bunch of expiring garbage (which limits our possibilities of calling up some nice D-league standouts for example, guys that are better options than the crappy filler we'll be getting--so we're talking limited or zero roster flexibility) and then have to take back Ro Balkman's salary (almost $2M a season for the next 2 years)..Have I got that right?? F this man...Walk away from this and see if they come crawling back at the deadline. And if they don't, they don't..This is nuts!! At this point I question not only how much Melo wants to be a Knick but if he even gives a **** how good the team will be if and when he gets here...Donnie Walsh would've laughed at this proposal and hung up the phone on them.

With Dolan's decision to step in and play a greater role it would seem that there is no line at all, and Denver is going to push things as far as they can, and use the Nyets as much as they can to squeeze us.

It has become more and more evident that Melo is only concerned about the dinero. You wonder what Amare is doing during all of this. Is he even communicating with Melo about what is about to happen and how it will affect the team?

For me the nightmare trade is one where Gallo AND Fields are included- At this point giving up both would hit me hardest as a fan of this team and perhaps change the way I feel about the Knicks as a fan.

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melo

and that's it

maybe include the billups for felton swap... maybe.

Nix -- agree with what you're saying for the most part..Only thing is I would substitute Mozgov for Fields and/or Felton in this deal in a heartbeat..I'd even be willing to go as far as to offer a limited combination that included our 2014 1st, our 2016 1st, multiple 2nd rounders and the rights to 7' C Jerome Jordan in order to keep Felton and Fields both in a Knick uniform (how come we haven't heard about a counter offer using these assets instead? That's what I wanna know)..That's just me..I can't justify this trade if all of a sudden I'm down an entire starting backcourt..Billups won't be the answer..At 35-36 he's got enough left in the tank to keep up with guys like Rondo, D Wade, D Rose on a nightly basis? Doubtful..Even 2nd tier EC PGs like Jameer Nelson, Mike Bibby, John Wall, what have you?? Guy's got a championship to his credit and he can still drill the 3 ball; he's got my respect, but even if we do keep him, we'll be at a disadvantage most nights against EC PGs, just on athleticism alone..I mean look at how much D'Antoni depends on Felton right now--and Ray's still pretty much a young buck, right in his prime..How would Billups hold up under that kind of pressure??? Big question...Safe to say, probably not as well as Felton would have..And then there's the type of offense we're gonna be looking to play -- we'll be a team that needs to outscore the opponent to be successful more than ever now, which means getting up and down the court any chance we have..Having a 35-36-yr-old PG at the controls is gonna make that tough..I'd much rather take my chances competing against these guys on a nightly basis with Ray Felton..And another thing I don't like: Now all of a sudden I could see us going after a PG in the draft this summer with our 1st round pick instead of a big man and I think that's a mistake..Right now it looks like there will be better big men in the 17-20 range than PGs..I wouldn't wanna pass up a decent big in order to reach for a mediocre PG that's not even as good as Toney Douglas. I don't care at all for the PG swap...In fact, I don't wanna give them either of my starting guards, Felton or Fields. Period.

nixluva wrote:

eViL wrote:chandler, AR, curry, turiaf

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melo

and that's it

maybe include the billups for felton swap... maybe.

Dolan will never do that. He's gonna give in cuz he wants to make sure we come out of the weekend with the prize. He's gonna give them at least 2 of Chandler, Gallo or Fields.

and this is what will eventually keep the team from being a champion. i'm sorry, but champions don't panic. they don't panic in games, their front office don't panic and their ownership don't panic. we hold all the cards. i would not give up anything we don't have to give up in the offseason. i would throw in the felton/billups swap just to let denver save face and say that they upgraded PG with a guy on a good contract. and really, if melo is not about it, then we don't need him. this is all about him and he better be willing to take it all the way if he has to. champs don't panic. this is a big test for melo.