scoshin wrote:I would look to Clippers or Sacramento, possibly in the summer as a S&T. Both of those teams could use a starting SF

clippers have aminu, I am not a big fan of aminu, but as a prospect he has the potential to surpass chandler and do so on a cheap contract.. you know how the clippers owner is...

Biggamer3 wrote:

Juice wrote:Gotta find where he wants to play and who has the money to sign him if we aren't interested in signing him ourselves. It's not like we can just trade him anywhere. There may be some teams over the cap who'll want him but once again he and Happy Walters have to be in agreement with destination.

why must he be happy with destination we can trade him wherever we want? say a team which is over the cap and cant sign him in offseason, but if they trade for him they can get him for this year and resign him to RFA deal since on roster. I am assuming Knicks can get Melo as a FA in offseason and cant resign Chandler anyway so might as well trade him and get a future #1 or young gun

You aren't going to get much value for a player headed into free agency unless he lands where he'd want to re-sign, what don't you understand about this simple concept. And if you trade him for someone this year that has salary on the books next year that's money coming out of Melo's pocket who's already crying about his money

Biggamer3 wrote:

Juice wrote:

Biggamer3 wrote:

Juice wrote:Gotta find where he wants to play and who has the money to sign him if we aren't interested in signing him ourselves. It's not like we can just trade him anywhere. There may be some teams over the cap who'll want him but once again he and Happy Walters have to be in agreement with destination.

why must he be happy with destination we can trade him wherever we want? say a team which is over the cap and cant sign him in offseason, but if they trade for him they can get him for this year and resign him to RFA deal since on roster. I am assuming Knicks can get Melo as a FA in offseason and cant resign Chandler anyway so might as well trade him and get a future #1 or young gun

You aren't going to get much value for a player headed into free agency unless he lands where he'd want to re-sign, what don't you understand about this simple concept. And if you trade him for someone this year that has salary on the books next year that's money coming out of Melo's pocket who's already crying about his money

I dont think you understand what an RFA actually is. If the team that has his rights wants to match an offer sheet which Chandler signed with another team they can match it regardless of if Chandler wants to stay there or not

If the player doesn't want to sign there or say gets a ridiculous offer sheet the team becomes stuck between a rock and a hard place. Start naming players(RFA) who have been traded for by a team where they had no intention of wanting to re-sign there and they gave up assets in a one-to-one not salary dump. Guess what..... we tried that with Nate Robinson and David Lee both to Memphis and both trades feel through. I'll let you figure out why that happened.

Not to mention I don't think our Pres is the kind of exec who will just randomly trade players anywhere. Nate gave our GM a wish list of where he wanted to be traded with encouragement from his agent Aaron Goodwin. Boston was on his list of short teams and guess where Nate is currently playing.

It's called building a rep or maintaining one as a GM around the league

Biggamer3 wrote:

Juice wrote:

Biggamer3 wrote:

Juice wrote:

Biggamer3 wrote:

Juice wrote:Gotta find where he wants to play and who has the money to sign him if we aren't interested in signing him ourselves. It's not like we can just trade him anywhere. There may be some teams over the cap who'll want him but once again he and Happy Walters have to be in agreement with destination.

why must he be happy with destination we can trade him wherever we want? say a team which is over the cap and cant sign him in offseason, but if they trade for him they can get him for this year and resign him to RFA deal since on roster. I am assuming Knicks can get Melo as a FA in offseason and cant resign Chandler anyway so might as well trade him and get a future #1 or young gun

You aren't going to get much value for a player headed into free agency unless he lands where he'd want to re-sign, what don't you understand about this simple concept. And if you trade him for someone this year that has salary on the books next year that's money coming out of Melo's pocket who's already crying about his money

I dont think you understand what an RFA actually is. If the team that has his rights wants to match an offer sheet which Chandler signed with another team they can match it regardless of if Chandler wants to stay there or not

If the player doesn't want to sign there or say gets a ridiculous offer sheet the team gets themselves into a pickle. Start naming players who have been traded for by a team where they had no intention of wanting to re-sign there. Guess what..... we tried that with Nate Robinson and David Lee both to Memphis and both trades feel through. I'll let you figure out why that happened.

Huh?

I really don't think you know the difference between an RFA and FA

Lets for example say Dallas gives us JJ Barrea and a future #1 for Chandler.

Now Dallas is over cap next year so can't sign a FA, but since they can go over cap to keep a player from their roster they can and will match any offer Chandler would receive.

That's it end of story. If he is not happy, to bad he has a new 5 year deal, he will play

No I understand matching rights....duh nothing new

Start naming examples where this is done. I gave you two players from our team as recent examples. Don't give me hypothetical examples. Show me actual happenings of a soon to be RFA(upside) getting traded with no intention of re-upping with the team. Who cares that Dallas would have matching rights in your example what if a team throws Granger money or more at Chandler hypothetically it could happen and Cuban let's Chandler walk like he did Nash

Biggamer3 wrote:

Juice wrote:

Biggamer3 wrote:

Juice wrote:

Biggamer3 wrote:

Juice wrote:

Biggamer3 wrote:

Juice wrote:Gotta find where he wants to play and who has the money to sign him if we aren't interested in signing him ourselves. It's not like we can just trade him anywhere. There may be some teams over the cap who'll want him but once again he and Happy Walters have to be in agreement with destination.

why must he be happy with destination we can trade him wherever we want? say a team which is over the cap and cant sign him in offseason, but if they trade for him they can get him for this year and resign him to RFA deal since on roster. I am assuming Knicks can get Melo as a FA in offseason and cant resign Chandler anyway so might as well trade him and get a future #1 or young gun

You aren't going to get much value for a player headed into free agency unless he lands where he'd want to re-sign, what don't you understand about this simple concept. And if you trade him for someone this year that has salary on the books next year that's money coming out of Melo's pocket who's already crying about his money

I dont think you understand what an RFA actually is. If the team that has his rights wants to match an offer sheet which Chandler signed with another team they can match it regardless of if Chandler wants to stay there or not

If the player doesn't want to sign there or say gets a ridiculous offer sheet the team gets themselves into a pickle. Start naming players who have been traded for by a team where they had no intention of wanting to re-sign there. Guess what..... we tried that with Nate Robinson and David Lee both to Memphis and both trades feel through. I'll let you figure out why that happened.

Huh?

I really don't think you know the difference between an RFA and FA

Lets for example say Dallas gives us JJ Barrea and a future #1 for Chandler.

Now Dallas is over cap next year so can't sign a FA, but since they can go over cap to keep a player from their roster they can and will match any offer Chandler would receive.

That's it end of story. If he is not happy, to bad he has a new 5 year deal, he will play

No I understand matching rights....duh nothing new

Start naming examples where this is done. I gave you two players from our team as recent examples. Don't give me hypothetical examples. Show me actual happenings of a soon to be RFA(upside) getting traded with no intention of re-upping with the team. Who cares that Dallas would have matching rights in your example what if a team throws Granger money or more at Chandler hypothetically it could happen and Cuban let's Chandler walk like he did Nash

Teams usually want to keep the RFA's who are good since young talent is tough to lose, but knicks are in a situation where an NBA Superstar will be a FA and they know he wants to sign with them so they can't sign their RFA who they like no matter what. Donnie being a top GM will get some assets for Wilson if he realizes there will be no Denver trade

Once again I fire back and ask you since you think you had me on RFA which you didn't, let's use your Dallas example. I'm going to aim high here because you're big upping our GM. Let's say Cuban says I'll offer you Roddy Boo-Bwah and Dominique Jones for Chandler and Bill Walker..(I doubt it) but let's use it for example because you used the word "assets". Guess what Roddy and Jones become immediate cap hits for 2011. Chandler's Cap Hold of a near $6.5mil doesn't come off until he's dismissed got it? But you've just traded him at the deadline to Dallas for 2 players which salary are on the books for 2011...... about $2.5mil extra added to cap. Now what do you tell Melo and the greedy CAA when they anticipate all money on the table at Max which will be $17-18mil approx but you just ate into this $2.5mil from the Chandler trade?

Do you understand the cap?

scoshin wrote:

Juice wrote:

Biggamer3 wrote:

Juice wrote:

Biggamer3 wrote:

Juice wrote:

Biggamer3 wrote:

Juice wrote:Gotta find where he wants to play and who has the money to sign him if we aren't interested in signing him ourselves. It's not like we can just trade him anywhere. There may be some teams over the cap who'll want him but once again he and Happy Walters have to be in agreement with destination.

why must he be happy with destination we can trade him wherever we want? say a team which is over the cap and cant sign him in offseason, but if they trade for him they can get him for this year and resign him to RFA deal since on roster. I am assuming Knicks can get Melo as a FA in offseason and cant resign Chandler anyway so might as well trade him and get a future #1 or young gun

You aren't going to get much value for a player headed into free agency unless he lands where he'd want to re-sign, what don't you understand about this simple concept. And if you trade him for someone this year that has salary on the books next year that's money coming out of Melo's pocket who's already crying about his money

I dont think you understand what an RFA actually is. If the team that has his rights wants to match an offer sheet which Chandler signed with another team they can match it regardless of if Chandler wants to stay there or not

If the player doesn't want to sign there or say gets a ridiculous offer sheet the team gets themselves into a pickle. Start naming players who have been traded for by a team where they had no intention of wanting to re-sign there. Guess what..... we tried that with Nate Robinson and David Lee both to Memphis and both trades feel through. I'll let you figure out why that happened.

Huh?

I really don't think you know the difference between an RFA and FA

Lets for example say Dallas gives us JJ Barrea and a future #1 for Chandler.

Now Dallas is over cap next year so can't sign a FA, but since they can go over cap to keep a player from their roster they can and will match any offer Chandler would receive.

That's it end of story. If he is not happy, to bad he has a new 5 year deal, he will play

No I understand matching rights....duh nothing new

Start naming examples where this is done. I gave you two players from our team as recent examples. Don't give me hypothetical examples. Show me actual happenings of a soon to be RFA(upside) getting traded with no intention of re-upping with the team. Who cares that Dallas would have matching rights in your example what if a team throws Granger money or more at Chandler hypothetically it could happen and Cuban let's Chandler walk like he did Nash

Joe Johnson RFA traded for 1st rd picks and Diaw
Kenyon Martin RFA traded for multiple 1sts
Eddy Curry RFA traded for multiple 1sts and Sweetney

S&T'ing RFA's can net back significant assets, especially if you "posture" that you'll match any offer.

Joe wanted to sign with ATL

Martin wanted to sign in Denver

Curry wanted to sign here

Those trades were all done in the summer

You obviously didn't follow the discussion carefully enough.