JohnWallace44 wrote:If we could deal for a pick and roll PG (sorry Ray) then we could seriously beat any of the teams in the East minus Boston.

Anyone notice how rediculously good Baron Davis looked last night? He set those guys up for crazy dunks. Stat has to set himself up most of the time for us.

ummmm....felton DID have 12 assists last night. yes baron had 16, i think we could say aided by the knicks' lack of defense in the paint. but felton has 12 and our players set themselves up???

Marv wrote:

JohnWallace44 wrote:If we could deal for a pick and roll PG (sorry Ray) then we could seriously beat any of the teams in the East minus Boston.

Anyone notice how rediculously good Baron Davis looked last night? He set those guys up for crazy dunks. Stat has to set himself up most of the time for us.

ummmm....felton DID have 12 assists last night. yes baron had 16, i think we could say aided by the knicks' lack of defense in the paint. but felton has 12 and our players set themselves up???

i agree w/Marv on this issue, half of Baron's assists almost seemed to have come off those wide open dunks underneath the rim by D Jordan, i think he had like 8 or 9 dunks in total last night... Felton had his share of assists on the other end dishing off to Moz for wide open dunks of his own... i honestly don't see Felton as the problem, our lack of another consistent scoring threat has forced him to take up the mantle to be the 2nd option on many occasions this season... i think once u address that issue then Felton will look a lot more like the PG people are hoping he would be.

martin wrote:

Marv wrote:

JohnWallace44 wrote:If we could deal for a pick and roll PG (sorry Ray) then we could seriously beat any of the teams in the East minus Boston.

Anyone notice how rediculously good Baron Davis looked last night? He set those guys up for crazy dunks. Stat has to set himself up most of the time for us.

ummmm....felton DID have 12 assists last night. yes baron had 16, i think we could say aided by the knicks' lack of defense in the paint. but felton has 12 and our players set themselves up???

I have to tell you Marv, it was the most underwhelming 12 assists I have ever seen. And he got 17 point but on 15 shots, second most on the team. 1 FT shot. And about a million bad decisions.

It's the bad decisions that I think played a big part in the Knicks' demise last night and over the course of a month. Hard to point to something direct about it but Felton did not run and manage the team (and hasn't been), that's about the best way I can describe what I saw going on.

who else besides Amar'e actively puts themself in a position to receive a pass? I see a bunch of young wings hugging the three point line at all times. Felton and Amar'e are the only two that look like they give a **** too. Less than 1.2 PPS isn't going to cut it, agreed. Maybe I missed something because I got hammered, flirted with the waitress until her boyfriend/coworker came over and was obviously upset, ate half the appetizers on the menu, entertained a coworker form out of town, and then was able to watch the game, but when the Knicks did something good Felton was in the middle of it. Maybe he did some bad last night too, I can't speak intelligently about that, but Felton seemed to be involved with any impressive play that grabbed my attention, like that thread the needle assist to Amar'e on the epic throwdown

umynot wrote:

martin wrote:

Marv wrote:

JohnWallace44 wrote:If we could deal for a pick and roll PG (sorry Ray) then we could seriously beat any of the teams in the East minus Boston.

Anyone notice how rediculously good Baron Davis looked last night? He set those guys up for crazy dunks. Stat has to set himself up most of the time for us.

ummmm....felton DID have 12 assists last night. yes baron had 16, i think we could say aided by the knicks' lack of defense in the paint. but felton has 12 and our players set themselves up???

I have to tell you Marv, it was the most underwhelming 12 assists I have ever seen. And he got 17 point but on 15 shots, second most on the team. 1 FT shot. And about a million bad decisions.

It's the bad decisions that I think played a big part in the Knicks' demise last night and over the course of a month. Hard to point to something direct about it but Felton did not run and manage the team (and hasn't been), that's about the best way I can describe what I saw going on.

Yea Felton stats are more due to our offense then his awesome play

I watched game twice and Felton hurt us a lot last night.

And he only had 1 assist to Mozgov BTW again Felton looks for Amare or his shot way too much!

His stats suggest he killed it last night!.... If you watched game you know better

Ohhh he was guarding Foye in fourth mind you...... Him and Fields

What are you talking about. Nobody was guarding Foye in the 4th quarter.

TMS wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:At this point I'm hoping they just make the playoffs. I hope they do because it will be a good barometer of where the Knicks are right now, who should stay and who should go, that includes the coach.

i don't think backing into the playoffs as a #8 seed with a sub .500 record is any kind of achievement for this team especially after adding a franchise talent like Amare... getting in as a #6 seed gives us at least an outside shot at getting past the 1st round... if we do that i think it's a season any Knick fan could be proud of considering where we came from & all the moves we made to get to this point.

I wouldn't consider it a great achievement either, just saying that they will be lucky to get the 8th seed the way they have been playing over the last few months. I agree we need a 6th seed to have a shot at advancing but I doubt we are going to get it unless there is more of a sense of urgency from this team.

GustavBahler wrote:

TMS wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:At this point I'm hoping they just make the playoffs. I hope they do because it will be a good barometer of where the Knicks are right now, who should stay and who should go, that includes the coach.

i don't think backing into the playoffs as a #8 seed with a sub .500 record is any kind of achievement for this team especially after adding a franchise talent like Amare... getting in as a #6 seed gives us at least an outside shot at getting past the 1st round... if we do that i think it's a season any Knick fan could be proud of considering where we came from & all the moves we made to get to this point.

I wouldn't consider it a great achievement either, just saying that they will be lucky to get the 8th seed the way they have been playing over the last few months. I agree we need a 6th seed to have a shot at advancing but I doubt we are going to get it unless there is more of a sense of urgency from this team.

definitely if they play like they have the past few weeks the rest of the way we'll be lucky if we even make the playoffs at all... i have to believe this team isn't as bad as they've looked in the past month but not nearly as good as they looked during that 13-1 stretch either... IMO i think we'll need to finish the season at or around 45 wins at least to get in as a 6th seed when all is said & done cuz the 2 teams behind us are starting to play much better basketball.

Felton has been sloppy and off his game lately and it's effecting us. He's kind of burnt out IMO. We unfortunately don't have any options. We need both Amar'e and Felton to excel in order to win consistently. I think we'll win enough to stay in the 6 spot tho. I don't trust the Sixers or Pacers to be that great either. Despite their recent good play. I expect they'll both hit rough spots too.

nixluva wrote:Its not the system. It's the players. The spread offense doesn't mean you have to take 3's all the time. That's the false assumption. We had games where guys would cut to the basket and get an easy score several times a game. We have tons of motion plays using the same spread floor. We've played more efficient BB. It's up to the guys on the floor to make smart use of what's available to them. Still if you don't hit wide open shots and you stop playing D you fall behind by 20 and put yourself in position to lose.

Felton has been sloppy and off his game lately and it's effecting us. He's kind of burnt out IMO. We unfortunately don't have any options. We need both Amar'e and Felton to excel in order to win consistently. I think we'll win enough to stay in the 6 spot tho. I don't trust the Sixers or Pacers to be that great either. Despite their recent good play. I expect they'll both hit rough spots too.

dude...ellis, rose, rondo all play similar minutes, that burnt out notion midway throught the season is absolutely lame, also most teams have toney douglas type back ups and are getting along just fine.

It's like people want deron as a starter and felton as a back up or another felton/augstine duo, we avg 50+ wins with chris childs and charlie ward. Granteed mda system is as successful as his PG, barbosa was never mistaken for a PG and he florish under mda.

I know were a young team, but amare and felton make the most mistakes..Amare had 5 turnovers that resulted in 9 points, felton had 3 that reulted in 5 points..that was last night alone, they avg almost 8pg on avg..