grillco wrote:

holfresh wrote:There aren't many times we have superstars wanting to be a Knick...Carmelo wants to be a Knick...This is no time to play wait and see...LA as a destination is a REAL threat to get Carmelo...SAS said on his show last night said that Camelo people are saying he is pissed at the Knicks for not getting a deal done yet...There is nothing more he can do...Gallo, Chandler and Fields are not deal breakers...They are nice pieces to have to build your team, but not needed to win Championships...The Knicks are a .500 team right now...Come next year, if the Knicks are playing .500 ball, the same people who praise Donnie as a GM god, would run him out of the Garden in a heartbeat...The is not rocket science, get the deal done...

Have you been following this situation at all? Has Melo and his people IF Mr. Smith is accurate? The Nuggets have been rebuffing the Knicks all season. They won't tell the Knicks what they want, so Donnie and his staff (and even his boss) have been throwing out myriad offers to get a clue as to what Denver wants from the Knicks. For the better part of this season it has been widely reported that the Nuggets were/are not interested in any of Knicks current players/assets...HOW IS ANY OF THAT WALSH'S FAULT?!?

Either bad reporting or Melo's people are soft in the head. The only purpose of Melo's people sending out is to justify him going elsewhere after all of their posturing. Again Donnie has done nothing wrong.

Papabear Says

READ MY THREAD!! I told you that it was personal with Denver. They will not deal with the Knicks. It's nothing that the knicks can do. That LA deal looks good. If you offered Chandler and Gallo and a pick they would not take it. their goal is to not give Melo what he wants and they will do anything to do that.

Uptown wrote:

holfresh wrote:There aren't many times we have superstars wanting to be a Knick...Carmelo wants to be a Knick...This is no time to play wait and see...LA as a destination is a REAL threat to get Carmelo...SAS said on his show last night said that Camelo people are saying he is pissed at the Knicks for not getting a deal done yet...There is nothing more he can do...Gallo, Chandler and Fields are not deal breakers...They are nice pieces to have to build your team, but not needed to win Championships...The Knicks are a .500 team right now...Come next year, if the Knicks are playing .500 ball, the same people who praise Donnie as a GM god, would run him out of the Garden in a heartbeat...The is not rocket science, get the deal done...

Couldn't agree with you more bro. No way should Gallo be the roadblock preventing Melo from coming to NY. If we need to move Gallo, Chandler and AR for Melo, you do it, Bottom Line! Players as talented as Melo dont come along very often, and finally for us, all the pieces are just about in place to make it happen. The pateince has paid off so far for Donnie, but there comes a point when you gotta play your cards before someone else swoops in and steals the pot. If Melo isn't wearing a NY jersey this time next year, Donnie will lose his job.

I think you're both still not seeing what has really been happening. As to your last sentence, if Melo isn't in training camp next season Donnie's gone and even that won't be his fault. If Melo really wants to come to NY he can, it's still all in his hands, no matter anyone spins. Either demand a trade to NY (apparently done, but not to Denver's liking) OR wait out the season regardless of whether or not he's traded and sign with NY a FA. He's holds all the card in regards to his future and ending up in NY. IF he's worried about the money that he'll "lose" then he'll go to whomever Denver trades him and sign and extension. NONE of that is on Walsh, that's all on Melo.

IF the Lakers want to send Bynum and Denver really wants him then it trumps us.

Donnie then gets a chance to beat the offer if it better fits Denvers needs.

What does bynum do? He becomes the centerpiece of Denver. In a wing oriented league your best player is a low post expensive player who is injury prone. Other than Shaq and DHoward there are no bigs anymore.

Denver wants to cut salary and rebuild. Is Bynum your guy? Ok, maybe they do a three way.

I like the starphuch of Melo on the lakes but they lose a huge piece of what gets them over the top. Lakes have luxury like the Yankees of resting him for the playoff run. Bynum makes them huge and he enhances what Pau is about.

Melo is not Kobe and perhaps would be a good soldier to Kobe being the Alphadog on that team.

Melo to Lakes, I get it. Bynum knees go bad Denver is cooked. Denver would put more on bynums shoulders and play him more than he does on Lakes and it would not wear well.

Bynum to Denver I don't get. Bynum in THree way is a different story. Bynum to Warriors, Melo to Lakes, and Stepp Curry to Denver makes sense.

Gallo to Denver makes sense but Denver eventually has to pay him too and he will get big offers from Europe if he don't like being on rebuilding cheap ass organization in a city he don't want to be in. Denver is very appealing to people that ski. 6-10 probasketball players don't hit the slopes.

skeng wrote:I think Denver is mad because they see another big 3 is brewing. And then they just hate the Knicks I guess

But they got Nene from the Knicks and stuck them with Antonio, Layden's biggest folly. The Nuggets owe the Knicks, but their management is almost too green to NOT screw this up. Yeah, let go of Wark who built the team that got to conference finals and hire a guy that was part of the team that let Bosh without getting Toronto anything. He's the guy that's going to orchestrate the big deal that ensures a high return on Melo...good thinking. Stan should have learned from Charles Dolan about handing your son the reigns of a franchise...too much too soon, even if he's not a baffoon like Jim.

Nalod wrote:Papa, Read the thread.

What is unknown is how good Nunez will be. I read the piece and its too simple.

Lee no go to yanks sounds like the end of the world.

Could Nunez still be used to get a major stud?

"better not screw it up" is also Donnie overpaying too. If Mozzy is not prime time we are not championship quality.

We upgrade our strongest area but dowgrade others.

So Adding melo with the wrong pieces might not be the right thing either.

Lakers have a different agenda.

I want Melo, but not at all costs.

Did anyone really think Denver would just lay down and give him away? My feeling is Melo does not win championships alone with Lakes because Bynum made Pau better. Don't understand? Watch Mozzy and amare when Mozzy is active. Amare gets easy looks!

Also according to Mr. Smith the Mariners said clearly that this is what they wanted from the Yanks and the yanks said No. Plain and simple. In their dealings with NY the Nuggets have made no such requests ans spent their time telling folks they weren't interested in the Knicks's assets and trying to do deal to any BUT the Knicks. So between your points and this, it's an inaccurate or incongruous to the Knicks actual situation.

On a different point, does anyone really think that it they asked for Gallo, Fields, AR/pick, Curry and cash that Donnie would say no? If they wanted Chandler as well or instead of, do you not think Donnie would crunch the numbers and try to make it happen? If not with our direct, maybe by crunching TONS of various scenarios and potential deals around the league? Donnie isn't stupid and IF Dolan (either by himself or via Thomas) told him to get it done, he'd do it. If Dolan (or Thomas) are telling him to only sweeten the deal IF they have to OR to wait until the season is out, Walsh will do that.

grillco wrote:

Uptown wrote:

holfresh wrote:There aren't many times we have superstars wanting to be a Knick...Carmelo wants to be a Knick...This is no time to play wait and see...LA as a destination is a REAL threat to get Carmelo...SAS said on his show last night said that Camelo people are saying he is pissed at the Knicks for not getting a deal done yet...There is nothing more he can do...Gallo, Chandler and Fields are not deal breakers...They are nice pieces to have to build your team, but not needed to win Championships...The Knicks are a .500 team right now...Come next year, if the Knicks are playing .500 ball, the same people who praise Donnie as a GM god, would run him out of the Garden in a heartbeat...The is not rocket science, get the deal done...

Couldn't agree with you more bro. No way should Gallo be the roadblock preventing Melo from coming to NY. If we need to move Gallo, Chandler and AR for Melo, you do it, Bottom Line! Players as talented as Melo dont come along very often, and finally for us, all the pieces are just about in place to make it happen. The pateince has paid off so far for Donnie, but there comes a point when you gotta play your cards before someone else swoops in and steals the pot. If Melo isn't wearing a NY jersey this time next year, Donnie will lose his job.

I think you're both still not seeing what has really been happening. As to your last sentence, if Melo isn't in training camp next season Donnie's gone and even that won't be his fault. If Melo really wants to come to NY he can, it's still all in his hands, no matter anyone spins. Either demand a trade to NY (apparently done, but not to Denver's liking) OR wait out the season regardless of whether or not he's traded and sign with NY a FA. He's holds all the card in regards to his future and ending up in NY. IF he's worried about the money that he'll "lose" then he'll go to whomever Denver trades him and sign and extension. NONE of that is on Walsh, that's all on Melo.

Word. 100% true. Walsh is trying to set us up. Trading Gallo or Fields would be a step in the wrong direction. Melo is NOT the only possible route to a chip. He's just the best currently available route and the superstar who seems to truly mean what he says in reference to The Garden and NYC. Even without back channel proof of his intentions, I feel like making a rash move to lock in a deal (i.e., by trading Gallo or Fields) would be betting against ourselves. Melo will be a Knick for certain if that's his true objective. He holds all the cards if he is determined to come to NY.

I really am thankful that Donnie Walnuts has this situation under his control. He knows he has a bull by the balls and it's just a matter of patience to see it through.

FrenchKnicks wrote:No more starphucking ! Melo can wait for FA if he trully wants to be a Knick.

We don't have that luxury of waiting.