Even at 35 years of life, he's an upgrade for this team.

As far as Melo bringing baggage, I don't think Melo has any beefs with Billups. Melo's problem is the organization as a whole, where it's going.

orangeblobman wrote:Felton is not critical for this team. He's a placeholder, not a long-term solution. Billups is more mature, worldly. He can drop the trey bucket at a stupid percentage, gets to the line like a drunk man, and he'll make it happen for his teammates.

Even at 35 years of life, he's an upgrade for this team.

As far as Melo bringing baggage, I don't think Melo has any beefs with Billups. Melo's problem is the organization as a whole, where it's going.

I disagree with everything except the part about him being a placeholder. I think Felton took a short term contract to up his value for the next one. The longer this Melodramarama drags on, the more I believe the plan is Paul/Melo/Amar'e

grillco wrote:

orangeblobman wrote:Felton is not critical for this team. He's a placeholder, not a long-term solution. Billups is more mature, worldly. He can drop the trey bucket at a stupid percentage, gets to the line like a drunk man, and he'll make it happen for his teammates.

Even at 35 years of life, he's an upgrade for this team.

As far as Melo bringing baggage, I don't think Melo has any beefs with Billups. Melo's problem is the organization as a whole, where it's going.

Felton adds a point, 4 dimes, and a steal to Billups and is much younger with more long-term potential being 26 instead of 34. I don't see the benefit pf Billups over Felton.

I'm not concerned with the 4 dimes and a point and a steal. The significance of dime numbers depends on the quality of the dimes, how they're dropped.

Felton isn't team oriented, it's him first, his future contract.

Billups is coming to the end of his career. He is much more likely to drop quality dimes and work together with the team for the greater good. His trey bucket dropping is also ridiculous, a quality that would really shine under MDA.

With the rest of the roster in the mid-20s, Billups at 35 would be a perfect addition to offset the youth of the other players.

Felton at 26 is a boy among boys, unable to provide the kind of leadership we need.

I think this team is looking at 32-36 wins with a team-oriented point, and Billups is that guy. With Billups you're looking at a strong possibility of making a deep push into the playoffs.

I could see a scenario where this might make sense if a 3rd team were very involved in the trade - like perhaps having Felton running with the Wolves and us picking up some add'l parts from them.

orangeblobman wrote:

grillco wrote:

orangeblobman wrote:Felton is not critical for this team. He's a placeholder, not a long-term solution. Billups is more mature, worldly. He can drop the trey bucket at a stupid percentage, gets to the line like a drunk man, and he'll make it happen for his teammates.

Even at 35 years of life, he's an upgrade for this team.

As far as Melo bringing baggage, I don't think Melo has any beefs with Billups. Melo's problem is the organization as a whole, where it's going.

Felton adds a point, 4 dimes, and a steal to Billups and is much younger with more long-term potential being 26 instead of 34. I don't see the benefit pf Billups over Felton.

I'm not concerned with the 4 dimes and a point and a steal. The significance of dime numbers depends on the quality of the dimes, how they're dropped.

Felton isn't team oriented, it's him first, his future contract.

Billups is coming to the end of his career. He is much more likely to drop quality dimes and work together with the team for the greater good. His trey bucket dropping is also ridiculous, a quality that would really shine under MDA.

With the rest of the roster in the mid-20s, Billups at 35 would be a perfect addition to offset the youth of the other players.

Felton at 26 is a boy among boys, unable to provide the kind of leadership we need.

I think this team is looking at 32-36 wins with a team-oriented point, and Billups is that guy. With Billups you're looking at a strong possibility of making a deep push into the playoffs.

I don't see Billups as difference maker for this team right now. As stated in my last post, the cost to meet such an acquisition will totally change the team dynamic. They will have to gel quickly to even be okay, let alone get deep into anything. What's more the Knicks wouldn't pick up his $14.2 million option for next season, so they would be looking for a point again next season. It's an exceedingly expensive excercise in futility.

orangeblobman wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

orangeblobman wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

orangeblobman wrote:Felton is not critical for this team. He's a placeholder, not a long-term solution. Billups is more mature, worldly. He can drop the trey bucket at a stupid percentage, gets to the line like a drunk man, and he'll make it happen for his teammates.

Even at 35 years of life, he's an upgrade for this team.

As far as Melo bringing baggage, I don't think Melo has any beefs with Billups. Melo's problem is the organization as a whole, where it's going.

I disagree with everything except the part about him being a placeholder. I think Felton took a short term contract to up his value for the next one. The longer this Melodramarama drags on, the more I believe the plan is Paul/Melo/Amar'e

I think so too, Felton is taking this deal to boost his value.

Which means we have another Al Harrington situation. And I think that's a disaster.

Billups is at a different stage of his career. He's not motivated by selfish goals. He would be a strong veteran presence, would anchor our young guys.

If Felton is a place holder, why not add Billups as the starting point while he is still playing at an elite level and then allow him to slip into a back-up role if CP3 comes.

Felton's attitude is no where near as poor as Al Harrington's. I love Ray's demeanor and his toughness. He's a great example for the Yoots. If he gets a bigger contract, good for him, he's earned it. He's performed as a top-10 PG this year and will benefit from NY exposure, as opposed to Charlotte.

I was happy with the signing as the time but he's far exceeded my expectations. Which is exactly why Denver wants to upgrade from Billups to Felton.

No, his attitude is nowhere near Al's, but their motivation is the same, no matter how much better Felton is at masking it.

His toughness and demeanor are to be commended, but they're inconsequential if they're based on a faulty foundation, an impure GameView(GV) (which is "...a way of seeing the game, not the court, it's the way a player visualizes his role in the team, the offense, and this dictates how he acts in a game. ")

Let Denver think they're getting an upgrade, and they might be, at an individual level, disconnected from their team as a whole. But what Chauncey can do for us at a team level is much more valuable than what Felton is doing for us now.

I think a shrewd observer of the game like Donnie recognizes this, and if he is able to get Billups here he will be king.

the backbone of the American economy is incentivized production. You do your job well, you get paid.

You keep posting this GameView stuff as it relates to Felton... this is misguided. Amar'e, Felton, and Fields are the biggest reasons the Knicks have a winning record. Everyone else has been terribly inconsistent and unreliable. I would sya his no excuses attitude is a TERRIFIC GameView and has undid some of the harm to the young Knicks caused by Isiah's ways and his players' attitudes

I keep saying this: Ray Felton is the best Knicks point gurad since Derek Harper. Why not be thanksful for what he does bring to the table instead of skewering him for his flaws?

orangeblobman wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

orangeblobman wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

orangeblobman wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

orangeblobman wrote:Felton is not critical for this team. He's a placeholder, not a long-term solution. Billups is more mature, worldly. He can drop the trey bucket at a stupid percentage, gets to the line like a drunk man, and he'll make it happen for his teammates.

Even at 35 years of life, he's an upgrade for this team.

As far as Melo bringing baggage, I don't think Melo has any beefs with Billups. Melo's problem is the organization as a whole, where it's going.

I disagree with everything except the part about him being a placeholder. I think Felton took a short term contract to up his value for the next one. The longer this Melodramarama drags on, the more I believe the plan is Paul/Melo/Amar'e

I think so too, Felton is taking this deal to boost his value.

Which means we have another Al Harrington situation. And I think that's a disaster.

Billups is at a different stage of his career. He's not motivated by selfish goals. He would be a strong veteran presence, would anchor our young guys.

If Felton is a place holder, why not add Billups as the starting point while he is still playing at an elite level and then allow him to slip into a back-up role if CP3 comes.

Felton's attitude is no where near as poor as Al Harrington's. I love Ray's demeanor and his toughness. He's a great example for the Yoots. If he gets a bigger contract, good for him, he's earned it. He's performed as a top-10 PG this year and will benefit from NY exposure, as opposed to Charlotte.

I was happy with the signing as the time but he's far exceeded my expectations. Which is exactly why Denver wants to upgrade from Billups to Felton.

No, his attitude is nowhere near Al's, but their motivation is the same, no matter how much better Felton is at masking it.

His toughness and demeanor are to be commended, but they're inconsequential if they're based on a faulty foundation, an impure GameView(GV) (which is "...a way of seeing the game, not the court, it's the way a player visualizes his role in the team, the offense, and this dictates how he acts in a game. ")

Let Denver think they're getting an upgrade, and they might be, at an individual level, disconnected from their team as a whole. But what Chauncey can do for us at a team level is much more valuable than what Felton is doing for us now.

I think a shrewd observer of the game like Donnie recognizes this, and if he is able to get Billups here he will be king.

the backbone of the American economy is incentivized production. You do your job well, you get paid.

You keep posting this GameView stuff as it relates to Felton... this is misguided. Amar'e, Felton, and Fields are the biggest reasons the Knicks have a winning record. Everyone else has been terribly inconsistent and unreliable. I would sya his no excuses attitude is a TERRIFIC GameView and has undid some of the harm to the young Knicks caused by Isiah's ways and his players' attitudes

I keep saying this: Ray Felton is the best Knicks point gurad since Derek Harper. Why not be thanksful for what he does bring to the table instead of skewering him for his flaws?

Like a lot of fans, he's misguided in thinking individual numbers will lead him to the best possible results. Although not obvious at a glance, a team oriented mindset will always yield the greatest positive returns, for the individual and the team, even if it costs a few points off a player's average.

Billups has the proper GV, Felton does not. Billups understands that what's good for the team is good for him, even if it costs him a few points per game.

you honetly think Felton is just after his numbers?

NY Knicks
Outgoing - Curry, Felton, Chandler, Azabuike, Rautins, AR
Incoming - Melo, Billups

Denver Nuggets
Outgoing - Melo, Billups
Incoming - Felton, Chandler, Brewer, Azabuike, 1st rounder from Minny

Minnesota Timberwolves
Outgoing - Brewer, 1st rounder
Incoming - AR, Rautins, Curry

Why would Denver do it? They have no leverage and while this is not really the true market value for Melo this should be the best they can get in this situation. They get a younger Felton instead of Billups and Azabuile's expiring contract. They get a proven young player in Wilson. Potential in Brewer and a mid first rounder.

Why would Minny do it? They finally get their man in AR and big expiring contract that can save them a lot of money. A potential cheap role player in Rautins. They are losing Brewer and this might be the lone hicup. How much do they really value him? Brewer has under achieved in Minny.

Why would the Knicks do it? They get Melo finally but only giving up 1 of the 3 young core players. We were going to lose Chandler anyways in the summer if we sign Melo as UFA. The only hicup is how much does Donnie and MDA think Billups has left in the tank? Do they think we will not miss a beat or would the loss of our floor general equate to a drastic dip in the standings?

Personally, I would do it. I am not too married on Felton. I love his bulldog mentality but his propensity to go all Dinglebury really irritates me. I love my point guards to be pass first. We would lose his penetrating abilities but Billups ability to shoot 3s and his vision is really very enticing.